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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Climate hushing" is all the rage. That's a big mistake.
Insanity since the planet is warming faster than expected
https://www.bostonreview.net/articles/why-climate-politics-cant-wait/
we are seeing a massive deprioritization of climate across multiple sectors. Businesses have been ditching their previously professed climate pledges and going silent on the issue. Bill Gates has started arguing that climate change is not the biggest threat to the lives and livelihoods of people in poor countries, amplifying a false dichotomy between efforts to decarbonize the economy and efforts to improve human welfare. Politico recently announced it is folding E&E News, its standalone climate and energy outlet; NPR just shut down its climate desk, and Jeff Bezoss Washington Post laid off its climate team earlier this year. Meanwhile, a host of think tanks and punditsmostly corporatist outfits like WelcomePAC, the Searchlight Institute, and the Breakthrough Institutehave been aggressively arguing that Democrats should stop talking about climate change and abandon climate action as a policy priority. And many prominent Democrats are doing just that. New York Governor Kathy Hochuls successful push to water down her states signature climate law has gotten the most attention, but similar efforts have been pursued by Californias Gavin Newsom, Rhode Islands Dan McKee, and other politicians at both the state and federal levels.
-misanthroptimist
(2,117 posts)Hey Joe
(913 posts)regret in the not so distant future.
We have purchased the rope that will be used to hang us.
flamingdem
(41,001 posts)I really don't get it. Why does he care about Turd L'Orange and his minions?
fujiyamasan
(2,225 posts)Among other government cuts on funding.
He caught a lot of shit for it (and he deserves all the shit he gets for his Epstein associaiton) but on this he was absolutely right. Malaria, vaccines for preventable diseases, and access to fresh water are a far greater public threat to the worlds poor than what is now a nebulous ever changing and doom scroll inducing climate change.
Id ague we have wasted way too much political capital yapping about climate change and making meaningless promises on green energy than accomplishing a lot of other things. Thats basically how democrats made Elon musk the richest person in the world. Thanks to endless subsidies for EVs.
Im glad democrats are waking up. The issue as it has been presented to the public isnt resonating. It just hasnt and Id rather democrats win elections, regulate carbon emmsions as needed, and get a lot of other stuff done than just funnel more money toward more corporate subsidies toward a wide variety of scammers and grifters in this industry.
SamuelTheThird
(1,590 posts)There's nothing 'nebulous' about it, and the impact on the poor of the world is going to be unimaginable.
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In order to provide the energy needed to power data centers, the world will need to burn lots of hydrocarbon. Gates was fine with passing the costs of a green economy on to the backs of working class Americans, but now that tech companies need massive amounts of energy he wants a discount.
patphil
(9,374 posts)We saw 4 days in a row of at least 98 degree heat according to the weather station in my yard...98, 102, 101, and 98. That's the hottest 4 day stretch in my memory. Then 3 days later the high is in the 60's and we get 6.3 inches of rain in about 30 hours.
Usually even 3 inches of rain in that time frame means some water in the basement, but not even a drop this time. The ground was so dry that it absorbed it all.
So, I went from watering my gardens every day, to over a month of rainfall in a little over a day.
Strange days are upon us.
Cheezoholic
(4,200 posts)Like a tightrope walker, while never perfectly balanced, the gentle swaying keeps them moving forward. Then an anomaly is introduced and they begin to sway ever more dramatically in order to stay balanced. Thats the sign something is wrong. I personally believe it's too late, we can't stop it. Surviving it as a species will most likely result in a great dying as one also.
Another Jackalope
(233 posts)Ever since societies began to depend on the combustion of stored carbon (coal, oil, gas) for growth - since about 1800. The problem is more one of physics than politics. The resolution of the problem would likely involve massive degrowth. And that idea is not palatable to either politicians or voters.
Another Jackalope
(233 posts)In systems theory, flickering refers to erratic, noise-driven shifts where a system rapidly oscillates between two different stable states. In highly complex networks (like ecosystems, financial markets, or climate models), this instability usually acts as an early warning signal. In climate and ecology, flickering is a warning that an ecosystem is about to shift irreversibly into an entirely new state.
Ilsa
(64,816 posts)They're giving up?
Kid Berwyn
(25,650 posts)We the People need to put them in their place, governing wise and in every other sense.
Coventina
(30,109 posts)Runaway greenhouse effect, the oceans boil away, and that's all she wrote.
I don't care about humanity.
I'm just sorry for all the other species.