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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGraham Platner had more red flags than a prison soccer match
but Mills was old. It is almost as if rampant ageism is a bad idea. All I can say is thank God for Jenny Racicot. Now finally, after literally getting hit by the broadside of a barn, people had decided that maybe, just maybe, a man with a NAZI tattoo, who repeatedly denigrated rape victims, African Americans, the police, gay people and God alone knows who else, and who was accused by multiple women of being abusive to them, might be unsuitable for the Senate.
Mills' midwife could have been Eve and I would have voted for her over him.
I sincerely hope we have learned our lesson.
drray23
(8,872 posts)You still have people here on DU supporting him , willing to say that lady is lying and is a plant. Its despicable. There are documented contemporary witnesses ( like her psychiatric and other people she told) from back in 2023 .
Unless she has a time machine, this was obviously not a plant.
Apparently, for some, having moral integrity is only when it's convenient . They are making the exact same arguments Trump supporters are regarding his victims.
paleotn
(23,217 posts)Let the evidence speak for itself. Do you have links to contemporary witnesses? Where's the documentation?
EdmondDantes_
(2,338 posts)You can even see screenshots. She told her boyfriend in 2023 and another woman who was asking about Platner.
paleotn
(23,217 posts)Lets see where this goes.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)When showed the evidence.
It isn't "Republican " evidence, it's actual evidence. Racicot also is a Democrat.
RoseTrellis
(214 posts)The states leadership is using op research now, or are they fully aware how serious this actually is?
Link to tweet
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MichMan
(17,733 posts)Was it just a soundbite to be used when it was convenient?
Maru Kitteh
(32,143 posts)Which is of course, disingenuous at best.
paleotn
(23,217 posts)With control of the US Senate in play, there's plenty of incentive.
Maru Kitteh
(32,143 posts)of my point.
paleotn
(23,217 posts)Think about it rationally, not emotionally.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)They still attack Racicot.
paleotn
(23,217 posts)Too much at stake with control of the Senate in the balance. That puts a different spin on a case of he said / she said. So, I'm holding judgment until I see how Platner defends this. If he f's it up. If he admits to it. If it's what I feared from his campaign early on, i.e., amateurish stuff, then he's cooked. In that case, if we want to "burn" him, I'll throw wood on the fire too. Until then, we'll see.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)My God.
ColoringFool
(1,510 posts)obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)Doodley
(12,173 posts)Were not here to adjudicate a crime. Were here to decide whether the character of this person is fitting for the role of a senator. His character is not fitting for the role of a senator.
31st Street Bridge
(273 posts)You've just described most of Congress, all of the cabinet and certainly the chief executive.
Bluetus
(3,389 posts)He needs to step down, and it doesn't matter is he is innocent? What kind of twisted bullshit is that?
yardwork
(70,162 posts)If he can't win he needs to step down. Simple.
Bluetus
(3,389 posts)Be that as it may, you are saying that it does not matter what the truth is. If somebody simply makes an allegation, then he should be treated as guilty. I find that attitude just plain wrong, considering how many dark forces are operating to manipulate our elections. If he is guilty, then I certainly want him out, but nobody here seems even the slightest bit interested in finding out the truth, or even taking a few days to hear his side of the story.
Doodley
(12,173 posts)Bluetus
(3,389 posts)What would you think if 6 months from now, we found out that some combination of the GOP and foreign agencies were behind a smear campaign that was based on nothing at all?
yardwork
(70,162 posts)Doodley
(12,173 posts)It's up to the justice system to decide if he's guilty or not.
It's up to the Democratic Party to decide whether we want him as a candidate.
Those are two completely different things.
Bluetus
(3,389 posts)Doodley
(12,173 posts)dominating the headlines with these allegations? Republicans will milk this for all they can. And do you think even Democratic voters across the nation care more about him or about their own lives, their own financial situation and healthcare? How are we going to tackle the "they are as bad on both sides," argument? These allegations are damaging for all Democratic Party candidates.
He will be demonized by the right and portrayed as worse than Trump and representative of all Democrats. Yes, we could fight for his right not to pay a price for things that are unproven, but in doing so we will lose the midterms. We need to be attacking Republicans over healthcare, over the economy, over abuses of power, over Iran, etc., not spending our time defending one candidate from attacks.
LisaL
(48,146 posts)were coming.
We were just hoping to avoid this exact situation that pretty clearly was going to happen, by pointing that out.
Grim Chieftain
(2,392 posts)We need to hold our candidates to the same standards we hold Republicans. We are better than this.
1WorldHope
(2,252 posts)... and thief? How about we all go out in the streets and raise a little hell like the Albanian people are doing about our "president"!
Grim Chieftain
(2,392 posts)We need to ditch the "no kings" mantra and protest him for what he is, a criminal who is corrupt and who is destroying this country each and every day. The protests need to be nationwide, in each and every state.
I am a baby boomer who grew up with the mantra "The people, united, will never be defeated".i still cling to that.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)yardwork
(70,162 posts)Who destroyed Platner?
redstatebluegirl
(12,870 posts)duckworth969
(1,471 posts)No one else. Its not up to DU pundits.
Keepthesoulalive
(2,489 posts)People can decide to close their purses. The dem party will not donate to him, so really we are involved. We need a serious senator from Maine who will work for the American people, not one with zipper problems.
LisaL
(48,146 posts)NT
QueerDuck
(2,332 posts)duckworth969
(1,471 posts)But Maine has the final say. Those of us on the outside can fret and be profoundly upset and angry.
I know Im extremely disappointed and frustrated. But its out of my hands.
If he backs out, the $20 I sent him will be for nothing. But thats the risk I took.
For selfish reasons, I hope Graham sticks. If he doesnt, I fear that seat is lost to us.
calimary
(91,642 posts)And we absolutely need a serious senator representing us. In Maine, AND as one of the 100 Senators representing us.
GPV
(73,456 posts)does not back the idea of Mills. She knows better than anyone how hard it's been for progressives to work with this governor. Her hope, and mine, is that we can put someone else forward. The one thing they need to have learned from Platner is to speak the truth about Trump, loudly.
Having said that, though, this race is See-Saw Susie's to lose. Just like always.
LisaL
(48,146 posts)One could see this coming a mile away.
GPV
(73,456 posts)but just like here, there's too much frantic anger for reason to get through.
yardwork
(70,162 posts)One day maybe we'll learn more about how Platner rose to such prominence so quickly. He's never held any office.
GPV
(73,456 posts)yardwork
(70,162 posts)He had to have a lot of funding right out of the gate.
Lots of Democrats call for progressive goals but don't get that kind of attention and support.
GPV
(73,456 posts)tells the truth about Trump is what got him where he is. We need someone else who can do that, but who also has good character and the political background to hit the ground running in DC. In other words, we need another Bernie.
ColoringFool
(1,510 posts)UNTIL THIS POL AND A COUPLE ADMONITIONS BY SOME DU POSTERS WHO SOMEHOW GLOMMED ONTO "AUTHORITY" THEY DO NOT POSSESS.
You DO realize you must henceforth be as Caesar's Wife, with zero comments about the politics of the 49 states in which you do not reside?
RoseTrellis
(214 posts)The state party has spoken.
Even worse is Schumer and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand of New York, who chairs the powerful Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, also called on Platner to "immediately withdraw" from the race in a joint statement.
"The DSCC will not invest in the Maine Senate race if Platner remains on the ballot," Schumer and Gillibrand said.
Link to tweet
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nini
(16,836 posts)It's the senate not a statewide office.
So, people outside of Maine can sure as hell have opinions on things that will indeed affect them and the future of this country.
Nasruddin
(1,317 posts)I would not have voted for Mills either. I personally have been done with gerontocrats since the mid 2010's.
The party has to do a better job of organizing candidates, keeping problematic people and old warhorses from getting nominations.
Look what happened to the Republicans.
BannonsLiver
(21,135 posts)Im not sure theres much of a case to be made that things went poorly for them the last time around.
Boo1
(715 posts)THeSe ArE the SaMe.
Joinfortmill
(22,009 posts)Celerity
(55,512 posts)anti-decriminalisation for small personal use amounts of drugs, she is anti red-flag laws for guns, she has vetoed collective bargaining rights (so is anti-union to a noticiable degree), vetoed a moratorium on data centers, vetoed wealth taxes, vetoed protections for renters, and vetoed some tribal sovereignty laws, etc. Those are unpopular stances and actions inside our Party.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)Celerity
(55,512 posts)leadership at Maine Dem state Party and also US Dem Senate level failed to either support and/or recruit them. They instead hitched their wagon to Mills, who took multiple actions and had multiple stances that are and were very unpopular within our Party. I was saying that for months here. It was a bad electoral decision in terms of countering Platner.
That was shown to be the case by the Maine voters themselves in the primary (and that includes evidence both before and after Mills suspended her campaign and even with Platner mired in previous scandals).
mcar
(46,705 posts)Saying she's being paid by Republicans. Staying she needs to provide more proof. Etc, etc.
The poor, poor white man must be believed at all costs, it appears.
Sympthsical
(11,337 posts)Not before the deadline to replace him. If there were maneuvers, it came from inside the house. Not that I think there were. I think the woman involved probably agonized over the decision, but she pulled the lever before a course correction became impossible.
Honestly, I think it took a lot of courage, because I don't think she wanted this kind of attention. What woman in her situation does?
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)We immediately united behind Becerra.
Republican oppo drops in September or October, not in time to possibly save things
Sympthsical
(11,337 posts)Because he was a known quantity. His behavior was so well known as an open secret for years, my politically connected friends here in California wondered if the party had been seized by a fit of collective madness in promoting him. Even before the assault allegations, he had a reputation for being a sex pest at best.
Platner, for all his many red flags, was unknown enough for a lot of people to extend the benefit of the doubt. When he won, my feeling was, "I really hope there's not something else," where deep down, you kind of know there's probably something else. People were willing to overlook an asshole to get the policies we need.
But at least we do seem to have a bright, bold line at rape (various internet individuals excepting).
I hated everything about this primary. But it is what it is now.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)BannonsLiver
(21,135 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,749 posts)I think the OP is thinking of red cards?
nycbos
(6,751 posts)Music Man
(1,692 posts)Do you mean red cards? Are prison soccer matches more questionable than other prison activities?
Sorry, I just had to ask
JoseBalow
(9,964 posts)when disrespect brings real and immediate consequences.
Sympthsical
(11,337 posts)The party leadership looked at an octogenarian first term and thought, "Voters will love this!"
Voters did not love this. Democratic voters increasingly do not love this. President Biden faced 2/3 of Democratic voters telling him for over a year running for one more term was a bad idea.
It's almost as if running people who should be retired in front of an increasingly Millennial and Gen Z electorate is not a winning decision.
You can bemoan it all you want, but we should be in the business of making choices to win elections. If the party leadership did not want Platner or another progressive, they needed to recruit better choices.
They did not. That's on them.
And the voters let them know it.
obamanut2012
(29,783 posts)sop
(20,040 posts)I believe it was his message. Platner passionately and unambiguously argued for all the things Democrats used to stand for, but don't any longer. He said the things rank and file Democrats wanted to hear, it's what they want to hear from all their candidates. That's the lesson Democrats need to learn.
yardwork
(70,162 posts)Ziggy Beans
(87 posts)It's why we are on the verge of losing our democracy
nini
(16,836 posts)Saying what people want to hear does not automatically make someone a stellar candidate.
Research and vet people. It's not the first time people were fooled. Look at fetterman for God's sake.
Stop getting played by this nonsense. Results matter and find the person who has a track record closest to what you want. That should include people who aren't hiding this kind of baggage.
ColoringFool
(1,510 posts)I agree with every other word, though! 😁👍
My particular bugaboo was his alleged naivete regarding his tattoo. Does this guy LOOK LIKE he was unaware?! More like he depended on "plausible deniability."
progressoid
(53,599 posts)I can't recall many people here saying we should back off of the ageism comments of say Donald Trump or Mitch McConnell.
CrimsonBight
(10 posts)Everyone who supported Graham Platner knew he was an alcoholic former Blackwater mercenary and Reddit shitposter with a fucking totenkopft tattooed on his chest and they still preferred him to Janet Mills.
Maybe the lesson is Mills wasn't the pick here, and Maine Dems should have run somebody more capable of competing with Platner.
JustAnotherGen
(38,245 posts)There are a lot of people on the Left who believe that the only way to take down the oligarchy patriarchy racism -
Is to elect someone cut from the same cloth as Platner.