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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,351 posts)
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 09:24 PM 13 hrs ago

29 yr old employee burns down Calif Kimberly Clark toilet paper warehouse "All you had to do was pay us enough to live"

This warehouse provides toilet paper for millions!!


https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/ontario-warehouse-fire-video/3873376/

Video shows someone intentionally setting fires at Ontario warehouse
Chamel Abdul Karim, 29, of Highland, was arrested on suspicion of arson in connection with the fire.


The employee suspected of starting an arson fire at a paper products warehouse in Ontario remains behind bars as new video on social media appears to show someone intentionally starting multiple fires at the site.

A video that’s circulated online shows several fires being purposely started at the Kimberly-Clark Corporation warehouse as the person filming and starting the fire discusses their salary.

“All you had to do was pay us enough to live,” the person recording the video can be heard saying multiple times.

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29 yr old employee burns down Calif Kimberly Clark toilet paper warehouse "All you had to do was pay us enough to live" (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd 13 hrs ago OP
Don't know much about his pay, but Sneederbunk 13 hrs ago #1
Three hots and a cot ornotna 13 hrs ago #4
If he thought the warehouse wages sucked EdmondDantes_ 12 hrs ago #24
Monetary system is different in prison. OC375 13 hrs ago #2
Kick dalton99a 13 hrs ago #3
The facility, a massive 1.2 million-square-foot warehouse operated by a third-party logistics partner for the global hyg BlueWaveNeverEnd 13 hrs ago #8
Now all of his co-workers receive no pay. JBTaurus83 13 hrs ago #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Initech 11 hrs ago #38
It's similar to the Luigi Mangione case. I'd say there's a revolution brewing. Gaugamela 13 hrs ago #6
I thought of that as well. irisblue 7 hrs ago #45
sorry, no Skittles 5 hrs ago #46
I agree. Mangione is a nothing but a rich spoiled brat looking for glory. LeftInTX 2 hrs ago #50
I'd say that young people are being encouraged to do stupid things. yardwork 1 hr ago #53
That's shitty LeftInTX 13 hrs ago #7
ba doom! harumph 13 hrs ago #10
Depends. Lochloosa 13 hrs ago #16
DAMN YOU! FHRRK1 10 hrs ago #43
No sprinkler system? Who insured that? NT mahatmakanejeeves 13 hrs ago #9
There was a sprinkler system, and it was activated, but it was overwhelmed Brother Buzz 13 hrs ago #14
The first in fire companies Job popsdenver 11 hrs ago #36
Seriously leftstreet 13 hrs ago #15
Warehouse literally wiped out. Sneederbunk 13 hrs ago #11
Stock up on TP BlueWaveNeverEnd 12 hrs ago #22
Lock him up and throw away the key. Botany 13 hrs ago #12
This is an omen of things to come I'm afraid. Arthur_Frain 13 hrs ago #13
That's why they're developing the surveillance state not fooled 12 hrs ago #28
That is also why they are all building bunkers. OldBaldy1701E 3 hrs ago #48
Koch brothers UpInArms 11 hrs ago #30
You posted it before I could. intheflow 58 min ago #54
No wonder baseball players get paid hundreds of millions in contracts... Justice matters. 11 hrs ago #37
So much of this shit started when Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdoch appeared on the scene. Initech 10 hrs ago #40
Yes! A thousand times YES!!!!! Ninga 35 min ago #56
I saw a post online, a guy bought a new Honda Civic. He then finds out remote control is subscription. Swede 1 hr ago #52
What was the hourly wage at this warehouse? Emile 12 hrs ago #17
This came up on a quick Google search JBTaurus83 12 hrs ago #18
If full time employed, a salary of 50k is low income in california, one bedroom apts are $2000 per mo. BlueWaveNeverEnd 12 hrs ago #20
California should pass a $50 per hour minimum wage MichMan 12 hrs ago #27
I suppose, if they want every company to pull out of California EX500rider 11 hrs ago #32
Ontario California Apartments..one bedrooms $2100 and up BlueWaveNeverEnd 12 hrs ago #21
A shame for such hard work JBTaurus83 12 hrs ago #26
Minimum wage in Cali is $16.90 Nigrum Cattus 11 hrs ago #31
I was making $7.20 an hour for similar work in 1980... hunter 11 hrs ago #33
My ex BF worked at a KC mill (Kimtech) in Neenah, WI. (1974) It paid good money LeftInTX 1 hr ago #51
From AI response: Kimberly-Clark warehouse workers in the US earn an average of approximately $23-$26.45 per hour, with BlueWaveNeverEnd 12 hrs ago #19
I want to say one word to you: bidets! Hassin Bin Sober 12 hrs ago #23
Smooth move, Ex-Lax synni 12 hrs ago #25
_ LudwigPastorius 12 hrs ago #29
Workers of the world, unite! JoseBalow 11 hrs ago #34
And your clean butts! LeftInTX 8 hrs ago #44
Working people are getting bone tired of the ol' Wall Street shareholder primacy SQUEEZE. PatrickforB 11 hrs ago #35
Knucklehead put many people out of work. oasis 10 hrs ago #39
Not everyone can get a good education due to IQ or mental disabilities. n/t Jacson6 10 hrs ago #41
This guy knew the difference between right and oasis 10 hrs ago #42
Are you defending him putting people's lives and livelihood in danger? Boomerproud 2 hrs ago #49
Guess he won't have to worry about the cost of living from behind bars. It's not like it doesn't have a good point, Vinca 3 hrs ago #47
There were other ways to protest low wages MustLoveBeagles 37 min ago #55
Im afraid we are going to see more and more of this gay texan 14 min ago #57

ornotna

(11,506 posts)
4. Three hots and a cot
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 09:38 PM
13 hrs ago

His biggest concern now will be, what color are the beans tonight?

EdmondDantes_

(1,836 posts)
24. If he thought the warehouse wages sucked
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:42 PM
12 hrs ago

Just wait until he sees his prison job wage. Oh and his coworkers are also out a job.

dalton99a

(94,372 posts)
3. Kick
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 09:36 PM
13 hrs ago
The total loss is staggering: officials estimate the value of the destroyed facility and its contents at approximately $156 million. The warehouse served as a critical logistical hub for the distribution of essential paper goods across the Western United States. Supply chain analysts warn that the total destruction of this inventory could lead to regional shortages and price fluctuations for diapers and tissues in California, Arizona, and Nevada.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,351 posts)
8. The facility, a massive 1.2 million-square-foot warehouse operated by a third-party logistics partner for the global hyg
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 09:43 PM
13 hrs ago
https://sparkdon.site/chamel-abdulkarim-charged-with-felony-arson-after-filming-self-igniting-massive-156-million-inferno-at-kimberly-clark-warehouse-in-ontario/


The facility, a massive 1.2 million-square-foot warehouse operated by a third-party logistics partner for the global hygiene giant Kimberly-Clark, quickly became the site of one of the most significant industrial fires in San Bernardino County’s history. Within minutes of arriving, the Ontario Fire Department upgraded the incident to a six-alarm fire, a designation reserved for only the most severe emergencies requiring massive regional resources.

The structure was packed floor-to-ceiling with highly flammable paper products—brands synonymous with household hygiene such as Huggies, Kleenex, and Scott. These products acted as high-octane fuel for the blaze, allowing the fire to spread through the nearly 30-acre facility at an uncontrollable rate. By 1:00 a.m., the heat was so intense that it compromised the building’s structural integrity, leading to a catastrophic roof collapse and forcing firefighters into a defensive “surround and drown” strategy to protect neighboring structures.

Response to JBTaurus83 (Reply #5)

Skittles

(171,881 posts)
46. sorry, no
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 05:21 AM
5 hrs ago

Mangione is a demented fucking gun humping murderer and this arsonist fucker was risking lives because he was upset. NEITHER IS ACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR.

LeftInTX

(34,403 posts)
50. I agree. Mangione is a nothing but a rich spoiled brat looking for glory.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:13 AM
2 hrs ago

Don't this guys back story, but burning down a warehouse is not a solution for low wages.

yardwork

(69,386 posts)
53. I'd say that young people are being encouraged to do stupid things.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:51 AM
1 hr ago

I keep hearing the phrase "all you had to do was..." given as an excuse.

Wouldn't vote for Kamala Harris so Trump got elected instead? "All she had to do was..."

Destroy property? "All they had to do was...."

Murder somebody? "All they had to do was..."

It's a pathetic, loser approach to life. It's entitled and divorced from reality.

FHRRK1

(34 posts)
43. DAMN YOU!
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 12:51 AM
10 hrs ago

log in three hours later only to review thread to see my response is taken.

"you know the plant cleaned up well"
"that will leave a stain"
"the clean up effort was a bit messy"

NONE ARE BETTER!!! DAMN YOU!!!!!!

Brother Buzz

(39,964 posts)
14. There was a sprinkler system, and it was activated, but it was overwhelmed
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:06 PM
13 hrs ago

I suspect the fires being started at multiple points might have had something to do with it.

popsdenver

(2,341 posts)
36. The first in fire companies Job
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:54 PM
11 hrs ago

is to devote engines (pumpers) to laying in with LDH (Large) hose, and connecting to the sprinklers outdoor connections to massively boost the water supply to the sprinkler system. When well involved on arrival, I would think that the FD would go to an immediate 'Surround and Drown" defensive attack with Aerials, rather than commit any firefighters to an interior attack........

Botany

(77,433 posts)
12. Lock him up and throw away the key.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 09:56 PM
13 hrs ago

Once you get fire & rescue rolling including law enforcement you are putting people’s lives
endanger add that to the fire on or within a structure or structures and its dangers too.

Arthur_Frain

(2,378 posts)
13. This is an omen of things to come I'm afraid.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 09:58 PM
13 hrs ago

The rich have become too rich (obscenely so) and the poor have become too poor, and too numerous. Enough people in that poor pool and sure enough, you’ll get a good number performing irrational acts.

Thing is, the rich are getting richer, faster than ever, and they’re pulling the rug out from under the poor folks to get as much as they possibly can. I don’t remember seeing it quite this voracious, without any care for the optics before.

not fooled

(6,692 posts)
28. That's why they're developing the surveillance state
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:12 PM
12 hrs ago

so every prole can be monitored, controlled and dealt with appropriately.

See: f-eloon's theft of government data, aggregation of all government data on every 'Murican, 666thiel666's palantir's work etc.

OldBaldy1701E

(11,212 posts)
48. That is also why they are all building bunkers.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 08:03 AM
3 hrs ago

Including the one that is going to go under the new 'ballroom'.

UpInArms

(55,024 posts)
30. Koch brothers
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:24 PM
11 hrs ago

Paper products:

Angelsoft, Brawny, Dixie, Mardi Gras, Quilted Northern, Soft n Gentle, Sparkle, Vanity Fair

© Koch Brothers' Products • Insteading
Source: https://insteading.com/blog/koch-brothers-products/

intheflow

(30,195 posts)
54. You posted it before I could.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:19 AM
58 min ago

I feel bad for the workers who are now unemployed but on another level, I'm delighted this has hit the Koch Bro pocketbook.

Justice matters.

(9,834 posts)
37. No wonder baseball players get paid hundreds of millions in contracts...
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:57 PM
11 hrs ago

while most stadiums look scarcely occupied... it's obscene!

Initech

(108,860 posts)
40. So much of this shit started when Rush Limbaugh and Rupert Murdoch appeared on the scene.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 12:26 AM
10 hrs ago

The US hasn't been the same since the Fairness Doctrine was abolished.

Swede

(39,590 posts)
52. I saw a post online, a guy bought a new Honda Civic. He then finds out remote control is subscription.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:30 AM
1 hr ago

So now he has to pay monthly. This is squeezing every nickel out of us.

JBTaurus83

(1,474 posts)
18. This came up on a quick Google search
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:27 PM
12 hrs ago

So take it for what it is I suppose. Not terrible for many parts of the country, but probably not getting you far in California. I don’t know anything about cost of living in that specific area.

Based on data as of early 2026, warehouse workers at the Kimberly-Clark distribution center in Ontario, California, generally earn hourly wages ranging from $19 to $28 per hour.
Glassdoor

Key Wage and Position Details
Warehouse Operator (Ontario, CA): The average hourly pay for operators in the Ontario facility is approximately $22.12.
Warehouse Associate (US): Average hourly pay for associates is reported around $15.11 to $22 depending on the reporting source, with some experiencing higher ranges.
Forklift Operator: Reported rates for forklift operators average around $15.31 to $18.23 per hour.
Material Handler: Reported hourly rates for this position are around $12.98 to $17.
Overall Warehouse Roles: In the Ontario area, the average base salary for general warehouse workers is approximately $19.74 per hour, with opportunities for overtime.
Indeed

Additional Compensation
Bonuses & Profit Sharing: Some employees receive annual bonuses ($4K–$7K) and profit sharing ($4K–$8K).

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,351 posts)
20. If full time employed, a salary of 50k is low income in california, one bedroom apts are $2000 per mo.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:31 PM
12 hrs ago

50k...deductions would leave a person with take home of $3000 per month??? Landlord might not rent to that income. Couple making 50k each would be able to make it.

MichMan

(17,180 posts)
27. California should pass a $50 per hour minimum wage
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:01 PM
12 hrs ago

Seems like that was exactly what Barbara Lee was campaigning on when she was running for US Senate.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,351 posts)
21. Ontario California Apartments..one bedrooms $2100 and up
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:33 PM
12 hrs ago

Ontario Market Snapshot

Average 1-Bedroom Rent is $2,029/mo

Up 0.7% From Last Year

Apartments for Rent in Ontario CA - 1,014 Rentals | Apartments.com https://share.google/lI8APVlJsjUK8vdIp

JBTaurus83

(1,474 posts)
26. A shame for such hard work
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:45 PM
12 hrs ago

Here in Philly most office workers such as myself make between 45-75k per year which is also pretty tight when renting an apartment or buying a little 800 sq ft row home. The “American Dream” sure doesn’t pan out much anymore.

Nigrum Cattus

(1,330 posts)
31. Minimum wage in Cali is $16.90
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:30 PM
11 hrs ago

Who ever ran the warehouse was crazy to have that much
very flammable material that close together. I've been in
the Kimberly Clark T.P. manufacturing building where they
make the rolls. I had to go thru a 1 hour orientation with their
internal fire fighters just to go into the facility to bid some
construction work. They took fire safety very very seriously.

hunter

(40,728 posts)
33. I was making $7.20 an hour for similar work in 1980...
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:33 PM
11 hrs ago

... after I was "asked" to take time off from college because I was crazy. Literally.

From there I graduated to moving furniture which paid better. The first time I made $100 in a day was moving furniture. Some of the guys I worked with were crazier than I was. Some had never even considered college.

That's $28.55 an hour today. My rent was $210, which is $830 today.

Gasoline was free. (Not really, but it was nothing I worried about.)

It wasn't union work, and I had no assurances of continuing employment, but my employers were certainly fearful the unions would come to town and figured if they treated us well enough we'd reject unionization.

Things have changed for the worse. I blame Reagan for that and a lot of other bad things.

Sure, I was privileged white guy living in an affluent city.

Everyone should be so privileged.

LeftInTX

(34,403 posts)
51. My ex BF worked at a KC mill (Kimtech) in Neenah, WI. (1974) It paid good money
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 09:20 AM
1 hr ago

It paid more than many jobs that required a college degree.

But that was 50 years ago.

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(14,351 posts)
19. From AI response: Kimberly-Clark warehouse workers in the US earn an average of approximately $23-$26.45 per hour, with
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:28 PM
12 hrs ago

Kimberly-Clark warehouse workers in the US earn an average of approximately $23–$26.45 per hour, with rates often falling between $19 and $29 per hour depending on location and experience. Specialized roles like forklift operators or leads can earn over $26-$27 per hour.

Warehouse Pay Breakdown (Approximate):
Average Warehouse Worker: $26.45/hr
Material Handler: $26.50/hr
Forklift Operator: $26.61/hr
Warehouse Lead: $27.86/hr
Packer: $26.04/hr

Key Details:
Location Impact: Rates vary by region, with high-cost areas like California potentially paying more.
Benefits: Positions often include comprehensive benefits, often reported as competitive with the industry.
Data Source: These figures are based on user-submitted data to sites like Indeed and Glassdoor as of early 2026.

synni

(780 posts)
25. Smooth move, Ex-Lax
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 10:45 PM
12 hrs ago

Hurting innocent people who also don't get paid well isn't the way to settle a pay dispute. Prices are already skyrocketing because of this administration. This is the last thing people need, when they're struggling to get from paycheck to paycheck.

PatrickforB

(15,434 posts)
35. Working people are getting bone tired of the ol' Wall Street shareholder primacy SQUEEZE.
Wed Apr 8, 2026, 11:51 PM
11 hrs ago

While I do not condone arson, Americans are furious about the costs of healthcare, childcare, forever student loans and getting nickel and dimed to death while people like Michael Hsu, Kimberly Clark's CEO, 'earned' $15.32 million last year, and the basic worker in a warehouse earns less than a living wage. Whole swaths of our labor force earn barely enough to live while these Wall Street financiers, corporate greedheads and billionaire parasites live so high on the hog they think they are above the law.

We feel the immoral nature of these elites, their raw and brutal greed, every time we go to work.

It would be so easy for our species to organize ourselves so everyone's work has meaning and everyone has enough. So easy. But no, we must have greed. We are ruled by few greedy and evil men, men who have risen to the top of the heap in a toxic, brutal corporate culture that encourages and rewards sociopathy.

Instead, billions around the world are wage slaves. 3.5 billion live in poverty, and of those 900 million live in extreme poverty. Every minute on this sacred earth, seventeen human beings DIE of hunger and related causes. Seventeen a minute.

It is time we start standing up forcefully against this shit and get rid of the billionaires, change the rules of corporate governance so workers, consumers and the earth are held equal to shareholder profits. Because right now, shareholder profits are king.

Why does it have to be this way?

Saturday April 11 - we are called upon to participate with the Pope in a prayer vigil for peace.
Friday May 1 - we are called upon to participate in a GENERAL STRIKE. No buying, no work, no school.

oasis

(53,734 posts)
39. Knucklehead put many people out of work.
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 12:18 AM
10 hrs ago

Given his level of intelligence, how much did he expect to be paid?
He can educate himself in the prison library.

oasis

(53,734 posts)
42. This guy knew the difference between right and
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 12:45 AM
10 hrs ago

wrong. A person has that knowledge before entering kindergarten.

Vinca

(54,049 posts)
47. Guess he won't have to worry about the cost of living from behind bars. It's not like it doesn't have a good point,
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 07:45 AM
3 hrs ago

but what a dumb way to make it.

MustLoveBeagles

(16,577 posts)
55. There were other ways to protest low wages
Thu Apr 9, 2026, 10:40 AM
37 min ago

Now he and his former coworkers have NO wages and he'll be getting a prison sentence. He didn't think this through.

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