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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIn light of Trump's insane rhetoric and demented rant, where are the Democrats who will stand up and stop him?
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Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)mcar
(46,108 posts)evolves
(5,843 posts)Im sick of it, too
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)mcar
(46,108 posts)It's knee-jerk Dem bashing, as evidenced by the OPs response (38) to post 13 showing that Democrats are speaking out.
Well, that's effective.![]()
So, it's all Dems need to be talking to the MSM about this. They are, and we get a puke emoji, or the strongly worded letter nonsense.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)Saying MSM is such a 1980s Republican talking point. This is 21st century where everyone has phones and their own media.
And it's going to be a bumpy ride for Dems who want to stay moderate for appeasement vs Dems who want to go more left/progressive to stand by principles. It should be a heathy and constructive discussion along with calling out what did/did not work in the past, including 'strongly worded letters.'
Saying things like 'knee-jerk Dem bashing' is just dismissive and a refusal to even entertain what the party should stand for.
Disaffected
(6,444 posts)Dave Bowman
(7,202 posts)betsuni
(29,102 posts)Where is the revolution? The establishment...
There is bitterness. But one will fight back! Written words are elite, letters, elite. Strongly worded letters -- ah, yes, the enemy will shrivel with impotent humiliation before such a clever taunting! They will be sorry. Oh, the posse will be sorry...
Trueblue Texan
(4,498 posts)Sitting in comfort dashing insults to Dems who ARE trying to effectively address TSFs insanity!
agingdem
(8,871 posts)the Dems can stop Trump if they take a veto-proof House and Senate in November ...
in the meantime Trump's cabinet and JD Vance have to invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment...and what are the odds the most corrupt cabinet ever and clown Vance will give up their multi-billion dollar grift?...but if they do invoke the 25th Amendment and Trump fights it, then it's up to the Congress to decide the issue with a two thirds vote to remove him.....again..what are the odds?..
if you think the No Kings marches haven't swayed even the most die-hard Republican you're wrong...they've lost Marge Green and a handful of semi-lucid loud Republicans...so there's that..
the Dems are no longer playing nice...they're everywhere..every progressive podcast/MSNOW..even FOX..raising the alarm of allowing a senile psychotic old man to remain in office another day...
3_Limes
(536 posts)Being in the minority leaves them at a big disadvantage here.
Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)At the minimum there should be a leadership press conference declaring the president of the United States is clinically insane.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)ck4829
(37,855 posts)Riley Gaines = Absolutely nothing of substance
Laura Loomer = Absolutely nothing of substance
"Gulf of America" = Absolutely nothing of substance
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)TBF
(36,774 posts)and real people (and our military) are dying in Iran.
WTF is performative about THAT?
H2O Man
(79,089 posts)debating tactic that one should learn not to use in junior high school. Telling people what they think should never be mistaken for a valid debating tactic.
TBF
(36,774 posts)Screaming at democrats on a message board? You need to call Congress, also.
Hope22
(4,775 posts)When I asked the person who answered when would the senator be back to work she told me that Capital police had instructed her not to give his location!!! My response was that I was not a stalker and only wanted to know if there was a plan to get back to work. After a long sigh she said that Johnson has directed session to open on the 14th. So I can tell you what the Reps are doing .absolutely nothing while the Dems are hog tied and unable to even get to the floor!! For people who say Dems do nothing I suggest they watch Lawrence ODonnell on The Last Word. People are still working. What part of being in the minority dont people get?
H2O Man
(79,089 posts)exactly what steps you have taken since the end of February.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Maybe getting his playbook out might do some good. He sure was effective whenever the GOP was in the minority.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Last edited Tue Apr 7, 2026, 12:03 PM - Edit history (1)
Significant legislation passed under Obama and Biden:
Affordable Care Act
Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
Consumer Protection Act
Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act
Inflation Reduction Act
CHIPS and Science Act
American Rescue Plan Act
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Key portions of the ACA
Key portions of the infrastructure investment act including the budget
Key portions of the Inflation Reduction Act
All of the Border security initiatives
All of the immigration reform initiatives
13 different reconciliation budget bills
voting reforms aimed at restoring what the courts took out of the voting rights act
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Key portions of the ACA (mainly blocked by Democrats - Lieberman, Baucus, Ben Nelson, Blanche Lincoln, Kent Conrad, Tom Carper... )
Key portions of the infrastructure investment act including the budget (blocked by Manchin and Sinema, NOT Republicans)
Key portions of the Inflation Reduction Act (blocked by Manchin & Sinema NOT Republicans)
All of the Border security initiatives (Blocked when Republicans were in the majority in the House)
All of the immigration reform initiatives (Not ALL immigration reform initiatives were blocked, but some were.)
13 different reconciliation budget bills (LOL, by definition, Republicans couldn't block reconciliation bills. Reconcilliation bills require a simple majority. It's effectively impossible for Republicans to have blocked any reconciliation bills).
voting reforms aimed at restoring what the courts took out of the voting rights act (blocked by Manchin & Sinema)
Keep in mind, if Democrats had abolished the filibuster at any point in Obama's or Biden's terms, the SAVE Act would now be the law of the land.
H2O Man
(79,089 posts)Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)Not the Eyeore "Oh, bother, nothing can be done" bullshit.
Ars Longa
(532 posts)Right F-ing now, The Democrats need to get their foremost political stars, (Sen's Murphy, Kelly, Beshear AOC, Newsome and others) together
and have an Urgent Address to the Nation. An address that bangs the table for the removal of Trump by 25th amendment or
Impeachment-pertaining to his latest round of unhinged-lunatic actions and statements concerning the War in Iran..
Yeah, Of course the Rs won't even take this up---But now is the time, as the Opposition Party---to be an Opposition Party, and the Voice of getting back to sanity & normallcy, and the adults In the room , And call for his REMOVAL!!
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,489 posts)Activate public rage, for starters.
mcar
(46,108 posts)and call it a strongly worded letter.
sagetea
(1,560 posts)in the shadows. I don't know...thinking that stops me from being paralyzed, anyway. I just. feel they are working in the shadows,
sage
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)If you're not seeing it, it's likely not happening.
Moostache
(11,197 posts)All I am saying is that the GOP - while in the minority for much of the time and in a super minority for the first year managed to stymie and stall and delay and frustrate much of President Obama's agenda and initiatives. The GOP is just better at obstruction and delays than Democratic Party leaders.
LymphocyteLover
(9,886 posts)-misanthroptimist
(1,642 posts)Greg_In_SF
(1,287 posts)exactly would they do?
lees1975
(7,081 posts)They still think its 1980 and the other side can be made to make a deal. I'd say this calls for pulling some money out to deliver a nationwide address stating that what Trump is doing is illegal under international law, and that Congress hasn't authorized it. The Republicans blocked 80% of what Obama wanted to do when he had a majority in both houses and they did the same to Biden. Why in the world won't we do that?
"We're not in the majority, tsk tsk tsk" is a LOSING political slogan. If they don't do anything now, they never will,
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)The Democrats are not in a position to be able to stop Trump. Only the Republicans can do that.
ck4829
(37,855 posts)They were certainly a thorn in Biden's side and they were the minority then too.
SocialDemocrat61
(7,686 posts)They retook the majority in the 22 midterms
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)exact message when the situation is clearly calling for the voice of opposition to speak some sanity. It seems to come out of the asinine notion that any criticism or suggestion that more can be done is an attack on Democrats.
I suggest you think through your insistence that our leaders mustn't speak in a crisis, mustn't use even those avenues of protest that are open to us.
It's just a habit now, a position in an old argument the world has long moved on from, and it makes no sense.
EdmondDantes_
(1,827 posts)Especially awkward given Democrats are in fact condemning Trump's most recent screed on Iran. Maybe the people saying Democrats aren't speaking out aren't listening.
But the OP didn't actually propose a suggestion for how Democrats in Congress stop Trump. It's easy to say someone else has to do something when you aren't making a suggestion much less doing it yourself. Given the ways to immediately stop a president are realistically convincing the president, theoretically you could use the 25th amendment, but that seems unlikely seeing how it involves getting his cabinet to go along, or I suppose there's always options that the Secret Service does their best to prevent whether that's trying to physically block Trump from his phone or fully illegal options like kidnapping him.
Even if someone introduced articles of impeachment, that's not going to be resolved by tonight.
Putting out statements on social media is faster and more likely to spread than going on MSNow, plus everyone can put out their own rather than 1 person going on a TV show.
So be clear, what exactly should be done either from my options or if I missed any? What steps aren't being taken that could stop Trump from trying to make good on his threat by tonight?
EarlG
(23,656 posts)How is that going to stop Trump?
BannonsLiver
(20,637 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,886 posts)MineralMan
(151,333 posts)Thanks in advance.
TBF
(36,774 posts)I'll re-subscribe to the Washington Post.
To repeat for about the 100th time: REPUBLICANS have the executive branch, REPUBLICANS are the majority in Congress, REPUBLICANS have the majority of picks on the supreme court. This is on REPUBLICANS.
This nonsense would stop if REPUBLICANS would re-convene Congress and file articles of impeachment. I promise you democrats will vote to impeach, and that is all they have the authority to do while REPUBLICANS are in charge of everything.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)the Republicans effectively stopped 80% of the agenda of both. So why can't we use those same tactics and do the same? Are you saying that we don't have anyone in our party as politically devious and ingenious as Mitch McConnell was, in using the minority power to stop what ever it was they didn't want.
This is a piss-poor, whiny baby excuse. It's because no one is willing to actually risk the fallout for taking a stand.
TBF
(36,774 posts)And I know you don't understand the reference, and I don't care. The person who originally wrote it would understand.
The president of the free world, a REPUBLICAN, is threatening to wipe out an entire country. And you would have us blame democrats.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)Why are you against having more of our Dem leaders speak out? That's what this thread is about. Not blaming them.
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)party of opposition is interpreted as an attack by some here.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)It makes us stronger. Only thing I hope is that Democratic leaders learn from Trump the second time. The way I see it, there are two camps with two views:
-Keep moderate view and go more right thinking that will appease independents OR go left/progressive to stand with principles.
-Elect moderate Dem and push progressive issue (like Obama w/ gay marriage) OR go full progressive and drag party with them (like Trump dragged Republicans to extreme right).
TBF
(36,774 posts)This thread is not about "speaking out" - this thread is clearly about blaming democrats.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)but something like 94 out of 115 bills proposed in Obama's first 100 days died in the Senate.
You can't have members voting with the other side if you want to be an effective blockade minority and they certainly were, no doubt about it and to deny that is to display ignorance of the facts.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Hint: fewer than under Obama
lees1975
(7,081 posts)with everything he wanted in it, because Democrats voted for it.
He's only been in just over a year, and yes, he has gotten more through the Senate than Obama or Biden did when they had the majority.
So you are admitting the Democrats aren't weak and helpless like your original claim that we can't do anything because we're not in the majority? Apparently you think we have done something. So why can't we do more? Because some Democrats have not gotten off sitting on their hands on this issue.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)It passed the Senate with a simple Republican majority because it was a reconcilliation bill. In fact it required Vance to break the tie.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act#:~:text=Before%20being%20signed%20into%20law,Democratic%20opposition%20in%20both%20houses.
Your ignorance of simple basic facts does your argument no favors.
There is no point in trying to argue with you because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
betsuni
(29,102 posts)BUT THE 80%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *lights self on fire, runs in circles screaming* OBAMA BIDEN BLAME DEMOCRATS 80% AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)Now who does that remind me of? 🤔
betsuni
(29,102 posts)Four months and ten days.
markpkessinger
(8,919 posts)Who's ignorant of the facts?
Legislation enacted under Trump (2025 - present) 83
Legislation enacted under Biden (2021 - 2024) 639
Legislation enacted under Obama (2009 - 2016) 1294
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/statistics
EarlG
(23,656 posts)How would that work?
TBF
(36,774 posts)Proof of that?
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Way too many people here erroneously think that the Republicans blocked a hell of a lot more while in the minority than they actually did.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)Nothing else matters more than Supreme Court. Republicans recognized this decades ago and I feel a lot of my fellow Dems struggle with this.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)We confirmed Sotomayor and Kagan when Democrats controlled the chamber.
So not sure how your example has any relevance toward today?
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)Obama didn't even try recess appointment. And Republican voters know SCOTUS is priority for everything.
After Trump, I'm REALLY hoping Dems will start taking pages from GOP playbook.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)Obama had no options, Republicans controlled the Senate, there was no magic wand.
This sort of revisionist history is just more lies about Democrats.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)They're so confident in their incorrect "facts". Kind of reminds you of another group of people....
Response to Wiz Imp (Reply #172)
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Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)The minority thinks I'm ignoring facts? Unbelievable.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)That's insane to think they stayed the entire time. Of course, it was theoretical to appoint SCOTUS during recess but he never attempted it.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)Obama actually tried to aggressively overcome this tactic early in his second term, by declaring the pro-forma sessions invalid and determining he was able to make recess appointments.
The Supreme Court shot him down unanimously in Noel Canning and invalidated those appointments.
That decision considerably narrowed the presidents ability to make recess appointments going forward.
Glad you were able to learn something today!
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)SCOTUS recess appointment discussion was different and they decided not to do it.
glad you learned something today.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)No, it wasnt different. The Senate used pro-forma sessions specifically to prevent a recess, and SCOTUS unanimously upheld that in Noel Canning. There was no window to make one.
Fantasy fiction that might have been posted here and fooled some fools, notwithstanding.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)There's this large group of people,some call it a cult, that don't believe in reality either. Denying reality is not a good look..
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)You are denying that they couldn't have even tried. Pathetic to be talking to others about reality.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)This may be even worse than the election denying nonsense that pops up here every few weeks like clockwork. The lack of self awareness is mind boggling.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)and you're right, it's mind boggling.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)and believes Obama could have appointed a Supreme Court Justice during a non-existent recess is accusing others of denying reality. Wow, Wow, Wow!!! I've never seen anything like this. And yet you continue to dig your hole deeper and deeper. Some advice: quit while you're behind.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)mcar
(46,108 posts)Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)They did not do it in the minority. It would help if you had your facts correct.
betsuni
(29,102 posts)"When McConnell's Republicans took over the Senate majority in 2015, McConnell slowed confirmation of Obama's judicial nominees to a historic low. ... Obama's nominee, Merrick Garland, never got a hearing. Most Republican senators refused to even meet him."
Dana Milbank, "The Destructionists"
mcar
(46,108 posts)those of us who supported HRC were told by people on the far left that SCOTUS was not important and that they would vote their "conscience" and vote against "warmonger" Hillary.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Remember DACA? Blocked while there was a Dem majority. Border security, remember that one? Look at the struggle to get the ACA passed, with all kinds of amendments that basically was a very weak resemblance of what was originally proposed. Hardly any fiscal or budget proposal of Obama got through intact. That's Obama.
Biden? Immigration reform, his border security bill, never passed a budget without CR, decapitated a lot of the infrastructure bill, health care reform, gun rights bills, environmental protection.
And when breaking the filibuster was proposed, Biden, an long time veteran of the Senate, said no.
Actually, there was not one Biden proposal that made it through Congress without an amendment, addition or subtraction, so it's not 80%, it's 100%.
And it all could have been resolved if someone had the courage to break that filibuster, amend the judiciary act and pack the court. That's the kind of bold, risk taking courage I'm looking for.
So politely, you are mistaken.
Katinfl
(839 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,221 posts)But if a time ever called for the Dems to call a goddamn press conference with everyone in the damn room, this is it.
Where the fuck is everybody while Trump blathers away like a crazy person?????
TBF
(36,774 posts)Prairie Gates
(8,221 posts)Apparently, they want to be nowhere while this is all happening.
Quite the statement for the midterms.
TBF
(36,774 posts)congress has been sent home by the Speaker of the House?
Tell me how that works.
Prairie Gates
(8,221 posts)How did you get from "they don't have to go home" to "they can impeach the President on their own?"
At least attempt not to throw out ridiculous strawman arguments.
Torchlight
(6,859 posts)leftstreet
(40,851 posts)Probably reconsidering their career options
spanone
(141,695 posts)and totally denoouncing all the shit.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)spanone
(141,695 posts)Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Wow. Abbsolutely wow!!!
Torchlight
(6,859 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,693 posts)He's doing a LOT of meaningful things!
What are YOU doing?
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)while giving Republicans a free pass.
BlueMTexpat
(15,693 posts)They're akin to our corporate-controlled M$McGreedia where IOKIYAR!
City Lights
(25,865 posts)Please be specific.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Use some of the nest-feathering billions that are raised for campaigns to give him fifteen minutes on national television to call this out in precise legal, international law and constitutional terms.
Use some of it to file a lawsuit blocking, on constitutional grounds, any Presidential order to bomb or take action on another country without congressional approval, then filibuster the approval that the GOP might give him in the Senate.
And yes, those things would work.
bigtree
(94,333 posts)...instead of positing that Democrats are standing still, which they most certainly are not.
I get fucking tired of being one of the only people on this board to go and find out what Democrats are doing and saying.
You're way off, and basically demagoging the party instead of amplifying their efforts and I think that's conterproductive and a damn shame that it's the go to at times like this.
We have numerous legislators who have responded in real time, in the media and in the courts. Again, take the time to look for those and amplify them on the platforms available to you.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,660 posts)tritsofme
(19,916 posts)There is no lawsuit to file that could accomplish this goal.
Ignorance isnt an excuse to spread these sort of lies about Democrats.
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ck4829
(37,855 posts)For Democrats in the minority:
* No shows of support, don't be a certain senator from Pennsylvania
* Holds on all nominees, vote no on all nominees
* Filibuster... EVERYTHING
* Press for impeachment and removal
* Keep the shutdown going, expand it
* No budgets, there will be no budgets approved
* Remember that Republicans were in the minority too and they caused problems. Be a problem
For us:
* Press Democrats on the above with repeated calls
* Slow down on spending, bill paying, and shopping or go without
* Jury nullification for anything not murder, sexual assault, armed robbery, things like that. Conservatives vibes law = nullify.
* Be vocal in opposing the administration and the war, silence is consent to the government and media
* Express skepticism in the war, don't spread military propaganda
* Express the truth... this war is dragging prices up, say it out loud. Be annoying.
* Put "normal life" on hold as painful as that may sound... cut back on going out, dates, movies, work, getting married, etc.
NOTICE: There is as much for us to do as Democrats in Congress.
Get busy.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)ck4829
(37,855 posts)Or are you suggesting a more [REDACTED] approach?
* No shows of support, don't be a certain senator from Pennsylvania
* Holds on all nominees, vote no on all nominees
You obviously have no clue how "holds" work. All Democrats voting no on all nominees stops none from being confirmed.
* Filibuster... EVERYTHING
Already happening
* Press for impeachment and removal
Already happening.
* Keep the shutdown going, expand it
Already happening. They can't "expand" it because the rest of the government is already funded
* No budgets, there will be no budgets approved
Budgets already approved for this fiscal year. Nothing to be accomplished until next fiscal year starting October 1
* Remember that Republicans were in the minority too and they caused problems. Be a problem
No more problems than Democrats are already causing.
For us:
* Press Democrats on the above with repeated calls
Has already been happening for 15 months.
* Slow down on spending, bill paying, and shopping or go without
Wow. Destroy your own life and credit to accomplish nothing. Great advice.
* Jury nullification for anything not murder, sexual assault, armed robbery, things like that. Conservatives vibes law = nullify.
Wow. just wow.
* Be vocal in opposing the administration and the war, silence is consent to the government and media
Has been happening for 15 months
* Express skepticism in the war, don't spread military propaganda
You really think this applies to people on DU? I'd venture that 99.999% of users here are already doing this.
* Express the truth... this war is dragging prices up, say it out loud. Be annoying.
See previous entry.
* Put "normal life" on hold as painful as that may sound... cut back on going out, dates, movies, work, getting married, etc.
Wow. just wow.
ck4829
(37,855 posts)The country and people of the Revolutionary War, the Underground Railroad, the Labor Rights Movement, the Suffragists, the Civil Rights Movement, the Gay Rights Movement, and Black Lives Matter reduced to... this.
Wow.
I also didn't just materialize these suggestions out of thin air. They are based on the work of Gene Sharp.
Here is From Dictatorship to Democracy:
https://www.nonviolent-conflict.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/FDTD7.pdf
ck4829
(37,855 posts)bigtree
(94,333 posts)...should have voted them in a majority to be able to legislate our way out of this.
Now there's this bullshit pleading with them to do what?
What power do you imagine the minority party has to thwart the party in control of ALL branches of government, including the justice dept, the SC, and the military.
I'd really like to know, and I'm more than certain the people you're expecting to roil the last election and jump into the leadership would also like to know.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Look at their blockade record when Obama and Biden had majorities in both houses. And you are saying we can't do that?
I call bullshit.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)than they actually did.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)We still do not have single payer, universal health care, because of their minority blockades.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)No different than what happened when the roles were reversed . (of course you're aware that Democrats passed budgets with Republican votes when Republicans were in the minority, right?) Try again. You already failed because you claimed Democrats voted for the big beautiful bill.
betsuni
(29,102 posts)bigtree
(94,333 posts)...
Comparing the Democratic party to the republican cult is one thing, but supposing as if the present majority has some unseen power to thwart reality just because we stamp our feet is the height of sophistry.
Tell everyone who asked you on this thread how Dems are actually able to do more than the protesting they are doing now with every lever of democracy and law they have available to their minority.
Take a minute to highlight those efforts by the party and give some indication you know where the actual obstacles are.
Hollering at Dems to 'do something' is an old and worn-out canard. Republicans rolled Democrats on SOME legislation using turncoats like Manchin and Sinema in a razor-slim majority.
No such republican turncoats have revealed themselves as having enough courage to buck their party in this session; at least not enough to overcome the numbers needed for Democrats to effectively advance legislative soultions.
And you pointed to the courts as if you can't see what the rest of the nation is witnessing with the maga majority on the SC standing as the ultimate decider after two parties and myriad lower courts rule.
This isn't some slam dunk. If it was, our Democrats would have already solved it.
They have been working hard to hold republicans accountable, all throughout this crisis and before (with many successes), and you should acknowledege that instead of representing the party as flat-footed and unconcerned on something they care deeply about.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)bigtree
(94,333 posts)...the utter unseriousness of this complaint.
One minute outraged, the next, guffawing at responses.
Completely unserious, and utterly banal.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Kid Berwyn
(24,489 posts)Who knows? The part of the public who don't support insane NAZI gangster pedophiles making war on innocent people might hear something other than "Oh. There's nothing we can do!"
bigtree
(94,333 posts)...you're ignoring them to do this.
mcar
(46,108 posts)But one, to some, was a "warmonger" and the other a "killer."
Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)As I stated earlier, at minimum, there should be a leadership press conference declaring the president of the United States is clinically insane and we are all in grave danger. He needs to be removed NOW! If it's the truth, why are they afraid to publicly state it?
Trump is the ultimate "Emperor's New Clothes"; Trump is not unhinged, he's fucking insane and millions of lives may be at stake. I hope it will be another TACO, but silence us cowardice.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Chasstev365
(7,847 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)with every Democrat in Congress standing behind it would certainly move public pressure. If Democrats aren't willing to come back early from their two week easter vacation during a real crisis like this then we've lost it anyway.
It will take turning attention away from all the campaign fund raising nest feathering to get anything accomplished. Why Democrats can't do the kind of damage to the GOP agenda that they did when Obama and Biden had congressional majorities is beyond me, it's a whiny-baby excuse. It can be done but not by sitting at home saying tsk tsk tsk. Someone actually has to DO something. And as far as I'm concerned, when that person or people actually DO something, they get my vote.
ITAL
(1,340 posts)Would likely never come - federal courts almost never weigh in on the legality of military maters. I'm not saying it couldn't be tried, but I'd give it a very low chance of working. Even then, it's a given it'd be appealed to the Supreme Court almost immediately if it went against Trump (when does he not appeal?) and they'd almost assuredly put a stay on the court order until they took up the mater...then proceed to sit on it for a few months.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Stops Trump until the court rules. It's worth a try. Why not?
ITAL
(1,340 posts)The Supreme Court would put a stay on the hypothetical Court Order saying he couldn't bomb Iran without authorization or whatever it it did exactly, until the they ruled. Then they'd sit on it for awhile.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)I doubt they'd hear it.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)Stops the immediate action. Beyond that, it says someone is doing something instead of tsk tsk tsk and whining that we can't do anything because we are not in the majority. Tired of that crap.
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)If Congress passed a law banning gravity, it would be enforceable until stayed or repealed.
Again, this entire frame is delusional.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)Thanks for trying to educate them, though they clearly don't care about reality.
ITAL
(1,340 posts)The argument was if the Federal Court made a ruling...the Supreme Court would stay THAT ruling.
BannonsLiver
(20,637 posts)Explain to me how the fuck that would happen. 😉
Rebl2
(17,765 posts)are vacationing just like republicans. We didnt hire them to take multiple two week vacations every year. Time to cut back on all the time off they take.
lostincalifornia
(5,377 posts)January 6 wasn't enough to VOTE DEMOCRATIC.
Second, Congress isn't even in session.
The DEMOCRATS tried to impeach him twice to prevent exactly what we are going through, but it isn't because of the Democrats that failed, but the republicans.
Third, there are plenty of Democrats who have been speaking out on this, but when you are the minority party, thanks to the STUPIDITY of too many Americans who either voted for trump, or didn't vote, there isn't much can do without some republicans on board, and that just isn't there because the whole republican party is just as unhinged as trump.
hay rick
(9,621 posts)How about Republicans in positions of power and military officials in positions of responsibility pitching in? But Democrats have special powers or a singular responsibility? Neutralizing this rabid motherfucker should be an all non-traitor Americans' responsibility.
BannonsLiver
(20,637 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,966 posts)but the answer to your question, they are scared of losing Isreali money.
Kid Berwyn
(24,489 posts)And they do keep track.
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)johnnyfins
(3,814 posts)No wonder he wants to kick this off tonight.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)bigtree
(94,333 posts)...simply false.
Democratic lawmakers are escalating their response to President Donald Trump's Easter post threatening strikes on Iranian infrastructure, with some openly questioning his fitness for office and raising the possibility of removal.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trumps-expletive-laden-iran-threat-103255716.html
Many congressional Democrats call Trump's threats to blow up Iran 'unhinged'
https://abcnews.com/Politics/congressional-democrats-call-trumps-threats-blow-iran-unhinged/story?id=131769484
Fullduplexxx
(8,627 posts)orangecrush
(30,495 posts)THATS WHAT WE PAY THEM TO DO
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Is that too much to ask? Seems so, from some people here.
BannonsLiver
(20,637 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)What can you say about that?
demmiblue
(39,755 posts)Get back to D.C. and make yourselves visible. Start some good trouble!
I dont give a flying fuck if it accomplishes nothing. You need to lead and be seen. OMG.
johnnyfins
(3,814 posts)orangecrush
(30,495 posts)crud
(1,265 posts)by the hundreds of thousands to the White House and not leave until he is gone. I don't think the military will obey his orders to attack the crowd. This will be the only way he is removed.
He won't resign, he won't be impeached, because it is obvious that he will cancel the midterms, and the courts will be unable to stop this. So it will be decided in the streets.
ck4829
(37,855 posts)obamanut2012
(29,383 posts)DURHAM D
(33,062 posts)obamanut2012
(29,383 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)At least, come back from vacation and caucus and decide where they're going with this.
Too many whiny-baby excuses, not enough action.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)obamanut2012
(29,383 posts)TBF
(36,774 posts)So, riddle me this. Why is it your job to attack democrats?
TBF
(36,774 posts)are the majority party in every way, and I was attacked for it. It makes you wonder about the motivation about certain people doing the attacking.
Had to start up my ignore list again, after emptying it out a couple days ago.
Justice
(7,263 posts)orangecrush
(30,495 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)do something that shows some kind of united front against a major injustice that a renegade President is perpetrating.
I did not vote for people to go to Congress or to the state legislature to sit on their hands, plan and prep for their next election and fill a seat in a safe, predictable way. I expect them to represent my interests and the interests of those who elected them. And I have seen how this government works, and how Republicans have thwarted the desires of Presidents Clinton, Obama and Biden by using their minority status tools.
We've got to decide here if Trump really is a threat to American Democracy, and if he is, to do something about it. And that doesn't mean nest feathering campaign fundraising banquets and trips while this war crisis is going on. The Democrats are not actually going to win the mid-terms, the Republicans are going to lose it. My expectations here are high and I won't let politicians hide behing the "sorry, can't do anything, we are the minority" bullshit any longer. Do something to show you also believe, as I do, that Trump is an existential threat to Democracy.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)obamanut2012
(29,383 posts)orangecrush
(30,495 posts)SomedayKindaLove
(1,189 posts)Every elected Dem should be demanding Trumps cabinet evoke the 25th Amendment?
So far the only people I see calling for that are MTG, Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)lees1975
(7,081 posts)mcar
(46,108 posts)had spoken on MS NOW. And at Sen Kelly's remarks.
FascismIsDeath
(192 posts)"Just show courage".
How about YOU just show that you have the ability to count to 218 and 67. Do you have enough "courage" to illustrate that ability?
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)I've seen a lot, too much perhaps, and I'm still a long way from being ready to crawl up my own ass and die.
Thank you for your concern for this matter.
lees1975
(7,081 posts)We had a majority in both houses between 2021 and 2023 and what was accomplished during that time regarding trying the criminal on the over 90 indictments he had against him? I can certainly show Merrick Garland as an example of weakness in this regard, along with the fact that the President wouldn't push him. There is no argument that can be made to justify that gross negligence. Had he got a move on, and actually did his job, Trump would not be where he is now.
There were a lot of Democrats calling for the removal of the filibuster, used so effectively by the GOP to block most, and yes the record shows most, of Biden's agenda. Did his immigration reform bill get through intact? Did his border security bill? How much of the infrastructure bill was lopped off before it passed through? Uh huh.
Nuking the filibuster would have been followed by the packing of the Supreme Court. Majority votes in both houses would have amended the judiciary act to create enough new justice positions to give Biden the chance to appoint progressive judges who would have overturned Citizens United, restored Roe, overturned Presidential immunity and over-rode the blockades his attorneys put up which slowed down his criminal cases regarding the documents and Jan 6, or one judge could simply pick up the case. And yes, that could have happened.
So where was the courage necessary to take those steps? Huh?
tritsofme
(19,916 posts)And just delusionally pretending that Manchin and Sinema didnt exist.
MineralMan
(151,333 posts)Others have asked you the same question, to which you have made no answer.
Why is that? Because there is no good single thing that can be done by one Democrat in Congress or elsewhere that will change the course of what is going on. Not today. Not this week. Not any time soon.
That you have made no real suggestions for action is evidence that you know that there is not some solution that just needs to be implemented.
I can do nothing, personally. Nor can you. Nor can any other individual.
So, we all share your frustration. But most of us are not calling for the impossible to be done. You are, though. So, I asked for your specific suggestions. You offered none, so I can only conclude that you have none.
Wiz Imp
(10,079 posts)which would of course accomplish nothing. And it is obvious that these same people, if a press conference were held, would still complain because it didn't accomplish anything. The only objective of people like this is to trash Democrats while giving Republicans a pass.
MineralMan
(151,333 posts)We need to read such posts carefully and think about what motivates them. That's what I think.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,543 posts)of people like this is to trash Democrats while giving Republicans a pass."
Exactly. It's crystal clear.
These "where are the Democrats???" threads are all alike. Vicious accusations of Democrats being cowards, having no spines, taking money from evil sources, on "vacation," etc., crapping on every mention of what Democrats are actually doing and have done; then the added bonus of snidely ridiculing fellow DUers: cheerleaders, posse, "not MY job!!1!1"
I mean, why can't Dems wave a magic wand and DO SOMETHING???!!!!111!!!!1!!!!!
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mcar
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Genocide Joe and Killer Kamala crowd and ask them why they arent doing something? Were in this mess in no small part due to them.
Bettie
(19,736 posts)but they can speak out about it being wrong.
I wish they would, but I doubt that they will.
Maybe one or two will raise an objection.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)Means "Won't".
Bettie
(19,736 posts)an individual who is literally insane....and his party is happy with that, they will not move to stop him.
Jeez, I hate having to say this, but what are a few Democrats supposed to do to make him stop anything?
Even if he uses nuclear weapons, his party will stand behind him and say "You did real good Donny, real good!".
mcar
(46,108 posts)Bettie
(19,736 posts)they still cant' change what's going to happen.
The madman is in control and has many, many enablers.
DownriverDem
(7,016 posts)It's the MAGA repubs you should be mad at. They are in control of the House and Senate. Please explain what exactly do you think the Dems can do? I'm tired of the attacks on the wrong politicians.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)And afflict the comfortable.
NoMoreRepugs
(12,118 posts)possible message from Dems is going to overcome the algorithms UNLESS Repukes in Congress join the chorus.
Mr. Mustard 2023
(362 posts)Most Dems are fighting back and doing all they can. The corporate media won't cover them, so visit independent media and most Dems have their own social media accounts, and YouTube channels.
We're at war, and right now the Dems we have are the Dems we have, so help or at least stop whining. The Republicans are in charge of everything, so how about attacking Republicans!
Good grief.
orangecrush
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OC375
(990 posts)We didnt get here overnight. It will take effort to change. It could be an interesting afternoon. Its just after 7PM in Tehran
LoisB
(13,088 posts)Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)Even if 25th invoked by cabinet (and i REALLY wish people would stop asking for this), Trump will contest it so would still need about 17 Republicans in Senate to remove.
frogstar0
(257 posts)Wave your magic wand and poof all will be right in the world.
Like others I am really tiered of this why dont the democrats stop this.
Because we need the votes.
Because we did not get the votes last election.
Please do not get into why we did not get the votes just stay with here and now.
We need the votes.
So how do we get the votes?
Not by pushing the dems do nothing trope.
We get it by planting seeds in independent and magas minds.
We do the very very very hard work of slowly, carefully planting the seeds that will sprout in a few minds.
We do it by turning one, or two people we know.
Every voter we turn, is two votes gained.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)And with 257 posts, if you made one to make this point, it's worth considering.
CuriousSavage
(38 posts)Every day we are faced with a new affront to our country and values. I am having trouble splitting my molten disgust between the republicans and the multitude of citizens that have completely tuned out. I can not have the lightest discussion about political topics anymore with anyone, even my spouse. It is too much for them to process so they shut down and start scrolling facebook or instagram.... I have never felt more alone.
I think this entire thread boils down to something that we ALL here can agree on: we appear to be on the doorstep of a catastrophe that will require many generations to recover from, if at all. Our children's children will be affected. If that's the case, it is not unreasonable to expect the people we elected to actually represent us. They have a much more effective platform than any of us, if they choose to use it. Some are, as mentioned in the responses, but this crisis calls for more.
TBH, I know that there is so much that I personally should be doing. I did not attend No Kings. I haven't called my officials 1000x. I am not complacent, but I suppose that I am part of the problem too. Fair enough. That said, our democratic representatives know that the great majority of the country and the world is against this war. They know that we are all facing economic hardship. They have big hopes for November but the next election is not guaranteed. I donated and voted for them to be my voice and not my weak sauce Vichy representative.
If this exact moment is not the time to burn some of that "dry powder" they've preserved for so long, then when is?
karin_sj
(1,371 posts)Democratic, Independent, and sane Republican politicians need to be on every single TV network en masse, on the radio, on YouTube, press conferences in front of the White House, etc. They need to conduct town halls in every city they can, and wherever they can find an audience. They need to talk about how insane he is, how dangerous and immoral this is, and how the 25th amendment needs to be enacted. Anyone who has an audience should be speaking up about this as well. This is a dire emergency and I hope to God something is happening behind the scenes to stop this madman (although I don't have a lot of hope).
MW67
(178 posts)They would run the mid terms campaigns on," If you elect us to power in both houses we will shut all this insanity down with a well deserved impeachment and removal", I believe it would be a winning message, they should at least be getting every opponent to answer " Do you support what the President is doing"? I see nothing,matter of fact I hear a lot of talk about taking up maga positions and talking points, readying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory again
camartinwv
(150 posts)I dont know what you expect minority Democrats to do.
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Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)We all know Dems don't have the power but they should be demanding every day in front of cameras to exercise their War Powers as required by the Constitution. It seems many are slow-walking their opposition to war because they don't want to upset their AIPAC donors.
betsuni
(29,102 posts)MuchBetterThanThis
(81 posts)Were too diverse. To the point that we become DIVISIVE.
NOW isnt the time that we act like freaking clowns and fight amongst ourselves.
Face the reality of the situation. Kicking and screaming will NOT change the behavior of these evil people. Only fuel what they want-> make liberals seethe..We hafta realize that.
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Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)I'm pretty sure we ALL have the same goals. Just different opinions on how to get there.
orangecrush
(30,495 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,542 posts)orangecrush
(30,495 posts)Come back to DC and conduct shadow session, even if they are locked out.
At least it would get the press to cover it and underscore the gravity of the situation.
EarlG
(23,656 posts)This morning, the whole world witnessed the President of the USA say that he was going to kill an entire civilization.
Are there really large swaths of people out there who need to see a Democratic Party press conference before they understand how bad this is?
Eddie Haskell 60
(129 posts)My wife isn't into politics and she never heard of Epstein until I told her about it a couple of months ago. And I just told her about TACO this morning.
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)of the country who don't have a clue what we are doing! And yes. A unified and constant press effort might reach some of them.
Certainly more than a couple of guys tweeting and the rest staying quiet at home.
No. The whole world didn't hear that. Only the small group that pays attention to politics. It is the job of the opposition party to oppose, and to get that message to as many as they can.
EarlG
(23,656 posts)they didnt hear about Trump saying he is going to kill an entire civilization at 8pm, is it going to make any difference to those people if Democrats hold a shadow session (whatever that may be)?
It seems to me that our most effective communicators are already doing their thing right now, on social media and in other venues. Im not sure that holding a shadow session is going to achieve anything useful. In fact it would probably just spur another round of complaints. Why are they standing around giving speeches in Washington instead of doing anything useful?
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)that's what anyone is talking about.
Every congressperson has a few media contacts. If they don't they don't get elected. We should have a unified statement, and every Democrat should be putting out the same statement to every one of their media contacts.
Remember Benghazi? It was a script. Every one of them recited it at every appearance and opportunity. I never watch or read right wing sources, but I sure was aware of the bullshit republican Benghazi message.
Messaging and framing do matter. We should do it.
EarlG
(23,656 posts)was a reply to a post about a shadow session, which is what I was commenting on.
Aside from that, as mentioned, Ive seen lots of Dems out there today blasting Trump and the Republicans, and they all seem to be pretty much on the same page.
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)I see that both houses have released statements in the last couple of hours, Hakeem has made a good showing, and more are chiming in.
Glad to see it.
I do think an outcry from our leaders is a worthwhile action to attempt to prevent untold thousands of murders committed in your name and mine.
EarlG
(23,656 posts)I'm not arguing for a "do nothing" position, merely pointing out that a) some of the suggestions in this thread for what they should be doing aren't really practical or useful, and b) they are already doing things. I feel like there is sometimes a bit of a kneejerk reaction to simply assume that Dems are doing and/or saying nothing, and to start attacking them before checking to see what is actually going on.
I appreciate you taking the time to look further, and your responses to my posts.
Scrivener7
(59,589 posts)Democrats need to pony up for a bot farm and a good PR team.
But that's for after we find out if we are the new axis of evil.
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Happy Hoosier
(9,542 posts)And it wouldn't stop him.
Kid Berwyn
(24,489 posts)From what I can tell, the Democratic Party leaders are standing behind Bibi Netanyahu, in shame.
maxsolomon
(38,789 posts)Where are the SWPs that will stop him?
Why doesn't "The Media" stop him?
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,543 posts)But Democrats.....blah blah blah.
BannonsLiver
(20,637 posts)niyad
(132,643 posts)Initech
(108,842 posts)kacekwl
(9,172 posts)Do tell..
NBachers
(19,448 posts)bluestarone
(22,231 posts)Let's also add the DOJ, the FBI, the delaying decisions from right wing courts. Could name things they should do that they can do to get your approval? Just name like 5 things ok? Hell, it's gonna take real honest true blooded Americans to do what needs to be done. Our only hope is November's election.THEN is when all hell should break loose. Never before has these monster rethugs done what they are doing today. They are really ganging up on our Constitution. OUR time will come to show support for our America!! Will YOU be there? I hope so!!
Indykatie
(3,869 posts)Too often Dems ask why our politicians can't stop Trump. They have no power in DC but that doesn't mean anything apparently. I think this fuels much of the dissatisfaction with our Dem politicians.
HAB911
(10,457 posts)It's the system that could not dream this would happen.
mcar
(46,108 posts)calling for the 25th Amendment, calling for Trump's removal.
5 minutes. Maybe you should have tried that before you posted this - but I kind of think you've gotten the reaction you wanted.
💯💯💯
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,543 posts)3...2...1... to "that's not eeeenuuuuuuffffffffff!!!!!!"
snot
(11,836 posts)I've called every congresscritter who represents me and a few that don't, and I hope everyone here is doing the same.
Bread and Circuses
(2,112 posts)Very few wil risk their own necks.
Afraid, Weak, Ineffective.
ecstatic
(35,085 posts)That's the part that some politicians still don't understand. I get that you feel there's nothing you can do but we need to at least hear you saying something.
Strongly.
And not hedging or weighing carefully whether tRump is a criminal or not.
Silence is disgusting and it suggests complicity.
LetMyPeopleVote
(180,171 posts)After Trump wrote, in reference to Iran, âA whole civilization will die tonight,â the entirety of the House Democratic leadership issued this joint statement:
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-07T17:01:15.516Z
As it turns out, it's not just House Dems: Leading Senate Democrats also issued a joint statement responding to Trump's stated plans to destroy "a whole civilization" tonight:
— Steve Benen (@stevebenen.com) 2026-04-07T18:41:16.159Z
lees1975
(7,081 posts)Today, House Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Democratic Whip Katherine Clark, Democratic Caucus Chair Pete Aguilar, Democratic Caucus Vice Chair Ted Lieu, Assistant Democratic Leader Joe Neguse and DCCC Chair Suzan DelBene released the following statement:
Donald Trump is completely unhinged. His statement threatening to eradicate an entire civilization shocks the conscience and requires a decisive congressional response. The House must come back into session immediately and vote to end this reckless war of choice in the Middle East before Donald Trump plunges our country into World War III.
For years, Republicans have enabled and excused Donald Trumps deeply dangerous and extreme behavior. Enough is enough. Our brave men and women in uniform have been put into harms way in the Middle East. Over a dozen have already been killed and hundreds injured. Gas prices are skyrocketing, the cost of living in America is out of control and billions of taxpayer dollars are being wasted on a reckless war of choice.
Its time for House Republicans to put patriotic duty over party loyalty and join Democrats in stopping this madness.
TBF
(36,774 posts)So you can stop blaming fellow democrats now.
no_hypocrisy
(54,977 posts)fear of reverse psychology.
IOW:
1. If they appear challenging, it would encourage Trump to do what he's threatened. (His staff rhetorically saying, "Are you going to let them get away with talking to you (and to the public about you) like that?
2. Democrats become the proxy of Iran.
3. The more you tell Trump not to do something, the more he wants to do it. (Who's your Daddy?)
TBF
(36,774 posts)Articles of Impeachment have been filed by a democratic rep from Connecticut - read here: https://democraticunderground.com/100221155161
Redleg
(6,925 posts)This is a good start but won't likely please some of these folks who think that only Democratic officials have agency and Republicans bear no duty at all.
More Than 50 Congressional Democrats Now Calling for Trumps Immediate Removal from Office
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/50-congressional-democrats-now-calling-for-trumps-immediate-removal-from-office/
electric_blue68
(26,911 posts)I told the staffer I know we're in the minority..
Still, could Schuner and a few other Dems could hold a press conference to say how insane and wrong about what Trump said.
She said (I'd forgotten) they're on recess.
I said they still coud hold it - to officially The American People how they feel.
Had to say something!