I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day

[marble falls]

I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day

Objectification, hate, rape threats: the politicians debating online abuse mean well, but to truly understand, they need to see what I see

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/23/15-year-old-girl-misogyny-social-media-online-abuse


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Here’s a recent example from Instagram: “Do y’all females ever tell ur homegirls ‘Sis chill you letting too many dudes hit?’” Essentially, that means: “Women – do you ever tell your girlfriends that they’re whores and need to stop letting so many guys fuck them?” The reel, posted by a 19-year-old man, appeared on my Instagram feed without me wanting to see it, or ever interacting with any other similar content. The comments that followed were pure misogyny. “Women see body count as a leaderboard and they try to outdo each other,” was one of them. Translation: all women are competitively promiscuous.

Consider the use of the word “female” in these posts. It is not a neutral term here, it is a term of abuse. It’s used by teenage boys to degrade us and equate us to animals. Boys are never described as “males”, but girls are always “females” – the equivalent of sows or calves, creatures that are less than human. We’re also “thots” (whores), “community pussy” and “bops”. “Bop” stands for “been over passed” and is a derogatory term used by boys to refer to a girl they’ve decided has been “passed around” or had too much sex. Sexual equality has ceased to exist online. It’s absolutely fine for boys to have sex, but when girls do, they are called worthless and referred to as objects. “When community pussy tries to insult me, I just want to beat that bitch up.” That’s a message I saw on TikTok.


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Often it feels like we’re hated not only if we’re sexual but simply for existing. I would be lying if I said I wasn’t affected by seeing boys my own age post things about women like: “Men are objectively superior in pretty much every conceivable metric,” and “They are just devils that imitate feelings so we feel empathy.” Words such as “bitch” are the least of it. One of the worst labels is “foid” – originally from incel subculture but now becoming mainstream – which refers to women as being less-than-human, female humanoids.

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And what is the effect? If I spend even 10 minutes on an app such as Instagram, I will close it, feeling disheartened and unhappy about being a girl. When nearly every comments section on a video of a girl my age is filled with disgusting and objectifying comments about her body from boys, it causes me to feel deeply uncomfortable in my own body, and compare myself to her; especially if she is beautiful and still being deemed unattractive. Endless emphasis on beauty as worth and all kinds of videos criticising specific features, some of which I possess, have made me start to loathe my own face, as difficult as that is to admit. But the worst thing is knowing how much hate there is from men and boys for all women and girls, including me.

[ProfessorGAC]

1. Social Media Has Made Society Worse Than It Was

And, articles like this are my evidence that it's just not me doing a "get off my lawn".

[marble falls]

2. Indeed. And we raise our men terribly.

[Escurumbele]

24. There is a cure for all these, but no one wants to do it...UNSUBSCRIBE to ALL of it! That is the CURE!

UNSUBSCRIBE to AMAZON, FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, and all the other crap that does continues to support all the evil that is slowly but surely destroying the World, all societies, not only the USA, are vulnerable to these disgusting behaviour and the more it happens the more people will think its normal. Many blame the parents but some of the parents are very good in trying hard to teach their kids good manners, empathy and good behaviour but social media destroys all that, some parents don't even know what it is their kids are looking at, and yes, they should but kids have ways of doing it away from home.

UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE! Nothing will be done until people take action and leave them, THEY CANNOT EXISTS WITHOUT US, so UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE.

I have done my part, I don't belong to any of that crap, Amazon is next, I just need to get some things done, and then I will not be a member until they stop supporting the evil bastards in the WH.

UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, UNSUBSCRIBE, do it, it is easy and the most patriotic thing we can do today. We have to hit them where it hurts more, their pockets, their bottom lines.

[ProfessorGAC]

57. Ok By Me

I don't have any social media accounts.
I get all the interaction I need here at DU & a musician's forum.

[blubunyip]

70. Good idea but not realistic

or people would have already done it. Why should the companies continue to be allowed to proceed like this unregulated?

[Scrivener7]

136. Because we let them. Because there is no credible protest against this. Because this

doesn't stop people from lining Zuckerberg's pockets by continuing to give him clicks and views.

Why WOULD they regulate? We aren't doing anything to require it.

[ihaveaquestion]

86. What about having men police themselves? How many men call out other men for their hateful comments and threats?

Maybe it happens, but I've never seen it. Probably this 15-yr-old hasn't seen any boys standing up for her. Why would she ever trust any of her male peers?

[Doodley]

109. You used the word "male." Is that not derogatory, yet "female" is?

[Scrivener7]

135. You think you scored a big point there, don't you?

[spooky3]

143. Using "male" as an adjective rather than a noun is appropriate. Here's a link

To an article that contains some good points, imho:

https://www.eait.uq.edu.au/blog/2023/06/case-for-saying-women#:~:text=The%20words%20'female'%20and%20',while%20'male'%20is%20not.

[ihaveaquestion]

177. That's your response to a call for men to be responsible? WTF!?!?!

IDK if using 'Male' in this context is derogatory or not. If so, then tough boogers to you. How about engaging with the subject of my comment or don't you think men have a responsibility here?

[Doodley]

186. I doubt there are many men on this forum who disagree that there are men who are disrespectful to women, and

social media is a place where hate speech thrives. Toxic masculinity isn't something that you see much among people who share Democratic values of equality, opportunity and respect for others. Yes, of course those responsible for the bullying behavior should take responsibility, but saying that does little to help the quoted opening post.

[SKKY]

179. Worse by orders of magnitude.

[Scrivener7]

3. Why anyone still uses any Zuckerberg product is beyond me. No one needs that and they're

a lot of the reason for the proliferation of toxic bro/girl-hating rhetoric.

[Ritabert]

7. Quit FB years ago. Never went on Instagram.

[usaf-vet]

52. Same here, and I'm a 78-year-old man with a wife and sisters. Email, and DU is the extent of my online activity.

[Ritabert]

88. Same here.

[Greg_In_SF]

4. Stop

going on social media.

It's no different than the old days. If there was a neighborhood where bad things happened, we simply didn't go to that neighborhood.

[ProfessorGAC]

5. Good Point

I have no social media accounts.
Closest I come to that is DU & a similar forum for musicians.
I don't even go to chemistry forums anymore. Once I retired, I quit. And, there were no toxic influencers there. Still have no use for them.

[hunter]

60. Any forum with inadequate moderation is quickly hijacked by men and boys...

... who blame women and girls for all their failures.

Many years ago my mom worked for a scientific journal in a field that was still dominated by men. Occasionally they'd publish a paper where the first author was a woman and some of the letters the journal received in return were vile, unpublishable, and far beyond anything that might be dismissed as academic rivalry.

The modern internet has given misogynistic losers a platform that they never had before.

[blubunyip]

73. Right

and there are few to no controls.

[Scrivener7]

80. Then, at the very least, there needs to be a movement demanding adequate moderation.

[Hope22]

12. Not sure this equates.

In this case the bad neighborhood is the world….yet the men and boys are free to roam. Carry on!

[kudzukimchi]

19. So, basically,

you're saying she was asking for it. Got it.

[Scrivener7]

21. Really, dude? Welcome to DU.

[Greg_In_SF]

23. I just knew

someone would come in and say something like that

[Mossfern]

41. Agree

Welcome to DU.

[csusan]

42. Well said!

That was my immediate take. She should be able to go on social media. It's the boys and men who cause the problem.

Thanks for posting this.

[Joinfortmill]

31. She's 15. All kids are on social media.

The people making bad choices are the predator little bratty boys. Jeez.

[Greg_In_SF]

35. Again, it's

her choice if she wants to continue using Instagram or not. She can either tap on that icon or not.

She doesn't have the power to change the people on Instagram. She does, however, have complete power over her own social media usage.

That's like saying a certain mechanic's shop sucks. Well, I don't have the power to change the way they work on cars, but I can choose to not take my car there for service.

This isn't rocket science.

[Joinfortmill]

39. Not quite.

[Greg_In_SF]

40. Umm...

yes, quite

[Polybius]

63. That's Boomer logic

You have to understand that kids don't have that mentality. There's no way a 15 year old is quitting Instagram. I'm far from 15, but as a Gen Xer, I can relate.

[blubunyip]

75. Yes

it's totally unrealistic to tell the girls they should get off social media. And it's a selfish point of view, actually. "I do the right thing--you don't" which is a version of "I Got Mine." Dripping with Superiority. Social media is where teens and young adults live. To be cut off from contacts with friends is cruel, especially after these companies have made vast amounts of money off of them and hooked them all into it.

[Attilatheblond]

127. It brought back the memory of then PM Golda Meir's response when men suggested she enact a curfew for women

as a means of cutting the instances of rape in Israel.

She replied along line of: Why limit women if men are the ones raping. Maybe men should have a curfew.

[get the red out]

128. Similar to

Asking a sexual assualt victim what she was wearing.

[Scrivener7]

83. But, it seems, there are only two available options: leave the source, or demand

adequate moderation.

People are equating this to women in the past being blamed if something happened when they were out alone. It's not quite the same. This is more like don't go into the biker bar on your own. You have to go outside to shop and work and survive. There's no reason to go into the biker bar.

But if it is that important to the fifteen year olds, and it really is a terrible hardship to avoid instagram and twitter and facebook, the fifteen year olds and their parents any anyone else who cares about them should be boycotting and loudly demanding better moderation that makes the place safe for the fifteen year olds.

[Ilikepurple]

144. I'm not going to pretend to have a solution, but this is not just about social media spaces.

It seems that you’ve ignored the two alternative options the author suggested: 1. A ban on under 16 use of social media. 2. Society show its disapproval of this online behavior. Why go straight to asking a victimized demographic stay away from social spaces that are a large part of social activity? Is it because of distaste for social media? It is not like a biker bar in that a biker bar is not the only public place someone can go have a drink and socialize. The point is also that social media is so ubiquitous that the attitudes shared on it bleed through to society and to boys that are vulnerable to this hateful rhetoric. I think the argument the writer is putting forth is to consider a ban on social media use for children under a certain age so they won’t get exposed and acclimated to express misogyny. A 15yo has taken the time to write a piece about something that has a major impact on her and other girls’ and women’s lives and I feel the least we can do is not be dismissive of her concerns. Bikers will be bikers you know.

[Scrivener7]

149. I'm in no way dismissive of her concerns. And I've said elsewhere in the thread

that I think a massive protest against this is one of the only ways this will change, which I think is the same as "society shows its disapproval." And I would love to see a ban under 16.

We may be talking past each other. Yes, these societal changes would be great. I would love to see them, and I do think they're the answer.

Problem is, there doesn't appear to be any will by Zuckerberg to institute either of these changes, and there doesn't seem to be any will for the public to fight for them. (A fight that would probably need to include a boycott by the girls and women affected, and those who value them.)

So maybe those things will happen in the future, though I don't see evidence of change any time soon.

So my concern, the concern central to my arguments, is that child today. She is being abused. And to protect children from being abused, keeping them off instagram, in my mind, is not blaming the victim. And frankly, if it is blaming the victim, I don't care. I wouldn't allow my loved one to be subjected to that kind of soul-killing abuse if there was anything I could do to stop it.

[Ilikepurple]

161. The issue is that the abuse does not stop online. The piece was a plea for change not a request for personal advice

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I agree we are probably talking past each other to a degree, because I agree with the boycott idea. I also think it’s ultimately dismissive of her piece to suggest and applaud the “just don’t go there” solutions. She took the time, thought, and energy to write to the Guardian not for personal advice, but to advocate for change. You said “good point” to Greg’s “Stop It's no different than the old days. If there was a neighborhood where bad things happened, we simply didn't go to that neighborhood.” Even discounting the privilege his analogy assumes (that one doesn’t work or live in the “bad” neighborhood), what if it’s not just a neighborhood? It’s not really a good point because going to that “neighborhood” in this case is a central part of social interaction. It’s only made worse by the command “stop” being the whole of the title. Stop thinking about this issue because the solution is easy as modifying your social access to avoid bad actors full stop? I’m sure she has thought of that, so it’s really not offering a solution as much as admonishing her for not taking this “easy” solution rather than drawing our attention to this problem.
Your full response was more nuanced, but is dismissive of the role social media plays in social acceptance and furthermore dismissive of the content of the article. It’s dismissive because it didn’t engage the content of the article but rather just offered a solution regardless of its contents. One need not even assume either of you have read beyond the headline. The writer’s suggestion of banning children on social media is not outlandish as it has come about in Australia and is being considered in a slew of European countries, including the UK where the writer is presumably from. It’s certainly not certain how effective any of this might be, but that’s an argument to be had.

[Scrivener7]

163. I'm not dismissing anything. I never said anything about the banning children idea being outlandish, in fact

I told you I support that, though I don't think it will happen here anytime soon. ( https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/more-countries-banning-teens-social-190905127.html)

I won't engage with your opinion about other people's posts. And no, I didn't engage every aspect of the article. One doesn't always. I was answering the multiple people who were saying that taking this child off instagram was "blaming the victim."

[Ilikepurple]

178. I'm sorry. I apologize for mixing some of your comments with another member.

My whole point about the other post is mute, because it was not you that issued the response I credited to you. I was curious about the cognitive dissonance I found in your posts, but regrettably not curious enough to get who posted what straight. I think I confused your reply in #21 with someone else in #5. While I think it is good personal advice to advise the child to leave instagram, I also don’t believe it is a real solution or anything like not going to a certain neighborhood or biker bar. The writer stated that they aren’t safe from the behavior offline either. “Victim blaming” might be a little strong, but “ If your phone cut your hand each time you picked it up, you'd return it. You'd change phones” at least has the implication that she is either to blind or naive to have thought of this solution herself. It also assumes there are adequate alternatives socially. As a parent and a person who hates social media, I agree with your solution as a personal one. I disagree with it as support for other’s dismissive responses to the article.
Probably, most of all, because I mostly agree with with you about things, I apologize again for being mischaracterizing some of your responses. Thank you for engaging me.

[Scrivener7]

180. Have a nice night.

[Escurumbele]

26. Boys will stop that behaviour when they find out it is not cool, when there is no one on social media, besides

other idiot boys like them, to read their stupidity.

That girl needs to get out of Instagram, Facebook and all the other crap that is bothering her, why continue to look through that? Real friends will continue to be her friends whether she is part of those toxic websites, or not, and if they stop being her friends? then they were never friends, but the jackasses boys will not have her to bully, and the will weaken them in the end.

[Joinfortmill]

33. Victim blaming much? You're kidding, right?

[marble falls]

58. Amazing to me how the victim is always held responsible because "we all know men can't help speaking ...

... through their penis."

[Doodley]

119. Please explain how the post is "victim blaming."

[spooky3]

130. Telling girls to get off social media doesn't solve the problem and it's a bit like

Telling progressives and Democrats to turn off the news so they won’t have to hear TSF.

[Scrivener7]

138. Progressive Democrats don't develop lifelong issues with self-esteem and trust

because they watch the news.

[spooky3]

142. Notice that I said it's "a bit like", not "exactly like."

One similarity I see is that telling girls they can’t use social media misplaces the source of the problem and may enable the problem to continue and worsen. The problem is the bad behavior by other users. Similarly if Dems and Progressives are told to ignore the news, the problem continues or worsens, because the observation of bad stuff is not the problem.

[Scrivener7]

145. Do you see anything being done that indicates the bad behavior is being discouraged?

I don't. I don't see massive protests by parents demanding that we make this space safe for women and children, I don't see people simply walking away in their millions from this abusive consumer product. So I don't see this girl's plight improving any time soon unless she turns it off.

And let's be clear. This is a consumer product. And it is abusive! If your phone cut your hand each time you picked it up, you'd return it. You'd change phones. You wouldn't keep picking it up. You wouldn't stand for it. We should teach our girls to do the same.

[spooky3]

146. When I first stopped using X and started using Threads,

I replied to a post with a very mild comment criticizing sexist behavior. I was immediately swarmed with attacks (probably many of which were bots). To my surprise, blocking every one of them greatly reduced the frequency of such comments. And the algorithm connected me over time with many posters who shared my views on related topics and who posted informative stuff (much like DU). I still have to block occasionally, but the function definitely works on Threads and enables the user to enjoy the benefits with very little annoyance from misogynists.

[Scrivener7]

151. So there are places these kids could go and be safe instead of instagram. I wish they would.

I just hate to think what happens to a girl's brain with this stuff washing over her every day.

[spooky3]

155. Instagram is linked to Threads, but she could just ignore Instagram

and read/post on Threads. I use Instagram only to look at posts by my favorite tennis players. I don’t post there and don’t think I’ve ever gotten a nasty message from anyone there.

Zuckerberg (partially) owns both I think, so some people object on those grounds.

Rachel Maddow likes BlueSky a lot.

[Scrivener7]

156. We could just tell kids all their parents are on instagram. That'll send them running away.

[spooky3]

158. LOL! Nt

[leftstreet]

27. Women once needed escorts to enter taverns

Before that, saloons banned them outright, or had separate "ladies entrances" and private rooms

Maybe we should bring that back for social media?

[Joinfortmill]

34. Right because some men can't seem to control thenselves

WTF?

[Greg_In_SF]

45. Paint

with a wide brush much?

[Wednesdays]

53. "Some men" is a wide brush?

Huh?

[Torchlight]

61. As wide a brush as "stay off the internet. Problem solved!"?

[homegirl]

103. This centurys version of

"sit down and shut up"

[Ilikepurple]

164. As one man, I didn't feel the brush came very close to painting me.

I’m not sure why you felt “some” was wide as “some” in logic just means at least one member and colloquially just means at least a small number.

[Greg_In_SF]

43. Or

she could just stop going on Instagram since she has determined that it is causing problems in her life. She, and she alone, has the power to change her life.

[leftstreet]

79. Instagram isn't CAUSING her problems

The MISOGYNISTS on the platform are.

I'm sure you don't realize you can inadvertently come across as supporting institutional misogyny

If this were a person of color describing pervasive racist attacks on social media, would you advise they leave?

[Prairie Gates]

92. Your interlocutor has left the thread

See Post #14.

[Scrivener7]

106. So what do you do to protect your fifteen year old daughter from this right now?

And if, in your example of racist attacks, the person receiving the racist attacks was a child - was MY child - I would definitely forbid the use of instagram.

Social media is the arena for a lot of our culture's ills. I don't think we should expect our children to be the ones to effectively fight and change those ills. Especially when we adults have no idea how to fight and change them.

[leftstreet]

114. I don't know

OF COURSE when it's your child, you move to protect

I was addressing the misogynist nature of the platform itself. Women and minorities have a long history of protest, occupation, arrests, refusing to move on buses, etc to force legal actions to change those public spaces. But we don't expect kids to do the same.

I have no idea

[Scrivener7]

129. We do have that history. But I'm not seeing the will to apply it to social media.

I don't go near it. I find it filthy in every way. But people just don't seem to be able to give it up or mount an effective protest to make it non-abusive to women.

[MineralMan]

123. I'm not sure you could make a ban on using instagram stick for a 15-year-old.

It's always a balance between protecting your child and helping them build freedom and independence, I think.

The social benefits of communicating with a large group of peers, more or less anonymously, are many. The dangers, too, are many.

I'm not a parent of a teenager or of anyone, actually. If I were, I'd probably consider having my own anonymous account on platforms my children used. I'd also know my children's screen names. But, I wouldn't interfere with their communications. Instead, I'd watch the conversations of others on similar threads to the ones your children might be part of.

Then, I'd do what I was talking about earlier - call out dangerous posters who treat others with disrespect or misogynistic posts. Not in any thread my own child was participating in - I'd avoid the appearance of shadowing her. However, if I found that someone with a screen name there was harassing my child, I might keep an eye on that screen name in other conversations and speak up as an anonymous peer.

A delicate balance, again. But life's full of delicate balances, it seems.

Now, I don't use instagram. Not at all. Nor any of the other media that is primarily used by adolescents. I don't relate to that age group. If I had children in that category, however, I would be interested and would see what the media were like and keep an eye on it, if not directly on my child.

I'm sure what I'm saying will be unsatisfactory in some way, but that's what I'd do if I were in a position to do that.

[Scrivener7]

131. Yes. Your response is unsatisfactory because it's amazingly naive. "Calling out" these assaults has never done anything

to change men's abusive behavior toward women and there's no reason to expect that will do so now.

And this ain't delicate in any way. It's an assault on these children's psyches.

[MineralMan]

139. Doing what i can..

Beats doing nothing.

[blubunyip]

81. "the problem is undisciplined girls"

who should wean themselves off social media and sit alone on their pedestals polishing their haloes?

[Scrivener7]

105. What do you suggest? Imagine you're this fifteen year old's mother. What do you do?

[blubunyip]

116. Come together with other mothers, fathers, daughters AND sons

Take action. Call a community meeting. Brainstorm resistance. Group therapy.

Better than just paying for expensive psychotherapy for the daughter alone. Or later when she seeks it out for herself when she becomes an abused and fearful adult. This is systemic child abuse and will have a major effect on vulnerable girls for their entire lives. They will grow up feeling alternating anger and hopelessness. It's not healthy for boys either. It is a grave wrong to teach children to put up with abuse from society--to be taught at a young age that they are inferior because of their skin color, gender, sexual orientation, economic condition, etc. This has been hurting all of us for a long time. Passivity now is not an option. It just sends the old message in a new and even more brutal way--the message that girls just have to put up with abuse and boys rule. Have to work to bring about change in this as in everything else.

Easy for Moms to look the other way and coo to the girls that they should "just ignore." Easy for Dads to pretend it doesn't exist.

Everybody Stop Ignoring-- is the bottom line.

[Scrivener7]

132. I totally agree. There should be a major protest against this. But there isn't. I can't fathom why. But there isn't.

And until that does happen, for the reasons you describe about these girls having lifelong problems that result from this, I'd keep that fifteen year old - my fifteen year old and your fifteen year old, and any others who we value -off it.

[Scrivener7]

111. This isn't a woman. This is a child. And she is being abused. I'd forbid instagram in a heartbeat.

[leftstreet]

117. Well yes!

I guess adults can only start by listening ( ex. to the girl in this original link) and determining what THEY think they can do to start changing that environment and make it safer for kids.

This is an arena that's WAY beyond the capacity of "parental controls" etc to handle

[Scrivener7]

133. Absolutely. We only get better products when we demand better products. And sometimes

not even then. But we have to credibly make the demand.

And we can't forget this is not a lifeline. This is a consumable product that we can take or leave.

[johnp3907]

108. Stop

telling women what to do.

(and the fact that 13 "people" recced this garbage shows just how big this problem is)

[Scrivener7]

112. She's not a woman. She's a child. And she's being abused. What would you do to stop that

from happening to her?

[Quiet Em]

122. Social media is a pretty damn big neighborhood

Here's the thing Greg, it's not just this girl. You aren't going to find very many girls or women who have not encountered misogynistic comments on social media. It's a huge problem and it's growing worse. One girl logging off won't stop it. It will keep happening to the next girl, and the next one

[whathehell]

166. iI's not just a matter of social media..

In noting that "It's the same as it always was" you confirm that...Yeah, THAT is the problem --
- Misogyny...Same ugly old misogyny, now just delivered through a new medium..The question is Why?..Why do men, generation after generation, hate women so much?

Instead of telling girls to simply find a better way to hide from male hate, maybe you guys should start addressing the hate itself -- Its roots, its destructiveness, and its elimination.

[GiqueCee]

6. These repulsive little worms...

... are the very definition of WEAKNESS. They are, in fact, superior to NO living thing. Well, maybe slime mold, but only just barely.

Suppose social media platforms required them to use their REAL names, and not some made-up handle. They might be a little more circumspect in their comments, if they dared to make any at all.

These creatures with Y chromosomes they have not earned deserve to be exposed for the snake shit they really are.

[MichMan]

55. "Suppose social media platforms required them to use their REAL names, and not some made-up handle."

Is GiqueCee your real name?

[marble falls]

59. If women used their names they'd be seriously shit-stormed and doxxed.

[GiqueCee]

95. Good point...

... but, as I mentioned in another response, Facebook does require your real name. And I would imagine that any cretins that did dox a woman could be just as easily tracked down and prosecuted for such behavior.
I'm just thinking out loud, I guess, about to how to combat these malicious turds, but it may be like trying to turn the tide with a teaspoon; there'll always be lowlifes like Fuentes, Tate, and Kirk who are irredeemable skid marks, and whose rhetoric validates the mental defectives that follow them. They make me ashamed to be a man. Make that an OLD man! I'm just a year and change shy of 80, but I never tire of learning, especially learning how to be a better person.
I'm certain that the anonymity afforded by fake names emboldens and enables such wastes of skin, but maybe if that mask was ripped away, such cowards would think twice. But that assumes that they are capable of actually thinking at all.

[GiqueCee]

85. No...

... but in a previous DU incarnation, when I posted political cartoons and occasional rant videos, I did use my real name, and would have no objection to doing so again. Facebook does require one's real name.

[Torchlight]

93. Sounds really serious

Good luck

[milestogo]

8. The military has always used 'girl'as a means of humilating men.

[Duncan Grant]

102. Today's bright moment of clarity -- right here.

Thank you, milestogo.

[Clouds Passing]

9. The juvenile males who own and run social media are intentionally responsible for this.

[llmart]

13. Let's not forget how Zuckerberg got his start.

The movie about him "The Social Network" showed how his platform was used for guys to "rate" a girl's looks. He was apparently dumped by a girlfriend and that started his revenge against women.

[Clouds Passing]

16. He's a creepster

[SergeStorms]

38. I don't think Zuck ever had a GF.....

He was the nerd's nerd, if that makes sense. Creating "FACEbook" was his way of trying to elevate himself within the manosphere, of which he hadn't yet entered. Then all the "bros" would pat him on the back and acknowledge his presence in the world. Until then he was pretty much invisible to everyone.

[llmart]

66. From Wiki...

"On October 28, 2003, 19-year-old Zuckerberg, a Harvard University sophomore, is dumped by his girlfriend, Erica Albright. Returning to his dorm, Zuckerberg writes an insulting post about her on his LiveJournal blog. Zuckerberg creates a campus website called Facemash by hacking and downloading photos of female students from house face books, then allowing site visitors to rate their attractiveness. After traffic to the site crashes parts of Harvard's computer network, Zuckerberg is given six months of academic probation."

[SergeStorms]

152. Wow.

The generosity of women never ceases to amaze me.

Thanks for the info.

[Doodley]

113. You use the word "males," but female is an insult? Please explain.

[Clouds Passing]

159. I didn't say or imply that female is an insult

[Torchlight]

10. Dehumanizing hatred at such a young age seems difficult to avoid in the 21 century

Telling girls to simply “log off” or “don’t go there” ignores the reality that social media is woven into social life and that the hostility follows us into spaces we didn’t choose. The real issue isn’t our presence online I think, but rather a much broader failure to challenge the misogyny that is allowed to thrive there.

[MineralMan]

22. Yes, exactly.

The solution is not to avoid social media. The solution is for everyone to reject sexist and misogynistic nonsense verbally as soon as it appears.

Men can do that, too. And should.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

49. Yes. It's victim blaming n/t

[Scrivener7]

78. But don't.

[MineralMan]

90. That is true in many, many cases.

Not always true, but too often.

Anyone can help change that, though. Simply refute misogynistic nonsense, bluntly and decisively. Whenever and wherever you encounter it.

[Scrivener7]

91. Women, myself included, have spent lifetimes doing that. And yet here we are.

And ... seriously?

No. This is not the solution.

[MineralMan]

96. OK, but I'll continue to call out sexism and misogyny when I encounter it.

On sites where screen names are used, I usually have no idea about whom I'm engaging in conversation. So, I'm not really curious enough to enquire. I deliberately have a screen name that identifies me as a man. Most people, however do not do that, and I understand why.

So, I just do whatever it is that I do, all the time trying to avoid such characterizations. Do I succeed? I don't know.

[Scrivener7]

98. We all do that. You are not unique in that. It doesn't change anything about the abuse this child is facing.

[Bettie]

99. And after all these years of doing it

it seems to be getting worse, not better.

[Scrivener7]

100. I just said the same downthread. I think we're all feeling that.

[leftstreet]

25. +1

[Mossfern]

48. My sentiments exactly

Women need to be present on these sites to fight the good fight.
Don't allow misogynist "boys" to own the script - they must be challenged.
Hiding won't change a thing.

[Torchlight]

50. Telling people to avoid social media is as absurd

...as telling women to avoid sidewalks and public streets. Saying “it’s her choice to walk near her home, if she doesn’t want abuse, she should just stay inside or move to another neighborhood” shifts responsibility away from the people causing harm. It treats harassment as default behavior. That argument isn’t just unhelpful, it’s a lazy way of excusing a much deeper problem.

[Scrivener7]

97. Imagine she is your child. Are you going to feel like the solution is to wait until the culture

changes so this doesn't happen, and in the meantime let her continue to have this brain damaging hatred spewed at her every day?

I wouldn't.

Yes. Men should change their behavior. I'm sure you and I have both been working on that all our long lives. And what I see is backsliding rather than progress.

Absent a successful groundswell of protest from everyone using social media demanding better moderation, I don't see any way to keep her safe from this. And I don't see that our culture has the will to make the changes.

[Torchlight]

101. I share your concern about keeping youth safe from harmful online content.

I don’t think the solution is simply waiting for culture to change, nor do I believe any single approach will be enough, even at home. Instead, I think a multi-faceted effort is needed... stronger moderation, social pressure on platforms, education, as well as familial and cultural change working together.

[Scrivener7]

104. I totally agree. But in the meantime, my kid would not be allowed to go near it.

And if that's victim blaming, so be it.

And to be honest, though your list is really the only path to a solution, I don't realistically see any of that happening any time soon.

[Hope22]

11. My heart goes out to the girls and young women.

Society is permitting open voice to the hatred. Beating girls and women down to just where they want us. You might say…not all men but the ‘nice ones*’….. don’t speak up. If they did they would have joined in the fight when row v wade went down. If they did our voting rights would not be on the chopping block! If they had this young person would not be seeing evil comments and threats. The sad thing is that when Iraq came home to the US it was a weed seed that took off with a vengeance. I guess Dick and * had a vision and here we are. Broken hearted for the young ones.

* I live with some nice ones….and they just don’t get the picture…….

[blubunyip]

84. Even nice men often see it as a "woman's problem"

when it is systemic and a failure of society as a whole. Men who see the truth of it it still don't speak up or acknowledge. Even those who have mothers, daughters and wives or partners they truly care about-- seem to lack empathy. There is a disconnect. We indoctrinate boys to look away.

[Doodley]

121. Are you saying no men joined in the fight to protect Roe V. Wade?

[Hope22]

137. Please.....

You were out there so you saw a few! Seriously give yourself a big thumbs up if the men in your life stand up for the women like their own rights depend on it I am talking everyday life! We’ve been warned in P 2025 that women’s right to vote is on the block. It’s not if, it’s when!

[Doodley]

141. Do you think tens of millions of Democratic men don't stand up for women's rights? Come on! Please!

[WinstonSmith4740]

15. I'm semi retired now.

I still sub when I want to, but when I was teaching full time, one of the subjects I taught was Health, which included Sex Ed. I made it VERY clear in my intro that I would not tolerate ANY reference to the young ladies in class as "females". As far as I was concerned, using that term reduced them. The girls would thank me, sometimes privately, often in open class. And there was always at least one who would say, "Yeah, and you can stop the "bitches and ho's while while you're at it." Unacceptable language in a classroom, but it always made me proud.

[MichMan]

56. Did you also have the same restriction to the usage of "males"

[WinstonSmith4740]

82. Absolutely!!

Probably should have mentioned that in my post! I told them ALL there was no way I would allow any of them to reduce their classmates down to their genitals.

[Doodley]

118. So we should all be banned from using the words male and female except for the animal kingdom? Are you kidding?

[Diamond_Dog]

17. ......

[Joinfortmill]

36. Amen

[Doodley]

120. Please! I am a man who respects women. Every Thanksgiving dinner I make a speech that I want to see more women

in politics. I have never seen women as sex objects. My wife and I have an equal relationship. I never comment on a woman in a derogatory way. I am pro-feminist. Should I have to apologize for being a a man? Please don't tar men with the same feather.

[Quiet Em]

124. That's great.

But it does not say that we're asking for DU Doodley to be the thing we need protection from.

Good men don't have to lump themselves in with bad men.

[Doodley]

125. It says "men," not some men, not certain men, not a small percentage of men, but "men."

[Quiet Em]

134. She did not say all men either.

You don't need to take it personally. You say you have a terrific and respectful relationship with women in your life so it clearly wasn't addressing you. I saw a funny video clip from a young woman who addressed this. She said if someone said ticks carry lyme disease you would never hear anyone argue "not all ticks carry lyme disease". Because we all know that there are enough ticks that do carry lyme disease so we know we need to take protection and precaution against them.

[Doodley]

140. Please! If I said "women are a problem," does that sound okay to you? I don't think that is acceptable.

[Quiet Em]

150. Let's stay in the context of the topic and discussion on this thread

a 15 year old girl is describing the hostile environment that young girls are subjected to online. We have a rapist, misogynistic con artist in office who has said he is going to protect women whether they like it or not. We did not ask for, nor do we want his protection. The con artist has been harming women and girls his entire life. His policies harm women and girls. His cult following is constantly attacking women and girls.

So your hypothetical "if I said women are a problem" does not have any context in this thread. If you find a discussion that fits your hypothetical I will address it there.

[Doodley]

157. She isn't a "young girl." She's 15.

As for what you say about Trump and his cult, I agree. However, my eyes do not deceive me. I read, "we're asking for men to stop being the thing we need protection from." IMO, it is an attack against men.

[Quiet Em]

160. She's 15. She is a girl, sir.

I guess there is nothing I can say that will stop you from taking personal offense when the topic is abusive boys and men.

[Doodley]

184. She isn't a young girl. She takes offense at "female," so at least, let's not call her a "young girl."

[Quiet Em]

188. I have no idea what you are talking about.

I hope you have a good night.

[CrispyQ]

181. Yawn. The not-all-men argument---like we haven't heard that before.

It's similar to all-lives-matter comments, in that it tries to take the focus off the real issue.

[Doodley]

185. If I said "women are the problem," would you say that was acceptable? I would not ever say that as it is offensive and

incorrect.

[Ilikepurple]

175. I didn't feel tarred. I'm not sure why you think this is about you.

I would understand if you were in a habitually marginalized demographic, but as a man who advocates for women’s rights and also strives to have an equal relationship with my wife, I presume I or other men like me aren’t included in the tarring. Your sophistic wordplay about “male”, “female”, “men”, and “women” belies your self-appointed status as a pro-feminist (not sure how that differentiates you from being a regular feminist) as it shows that you fail to recognize the privilege of being a man (male). When someone spends all of their energy in a thread about the misogyny a girl finds pervasive online defending men from the use of “men” in a aphoristic meme and the use of the word “female”, that I wonder what their thoughts on the actual subject matter of the article are. I never thought the meme was about me, even if I could make the tortured argument that, as a man, “men” included me. Most aphorisms are somewhat sloppy under detailed analysis as they are not generally logical arguments. I for one am trying harder to call out bigoted behavior from my relatively privileged standing rather than trying to argue that the use of the word “male” has the same power as the word “female” in gender stereotyping. As a pro-feminist, you should already be aware of false equivalence.

Also, I don’t think anyone here asked you to apologize for being a man. I don’t even think the meme said any man needs to apologize it just pleaded for men as a group to be better. I apologize if you came up with it on your own, but bringing up the “apologizing for being a man” and “male” “female” usage arguments reminds me more of current anti-feminist rhetoric. It certainly doesn’t imply that you are anti-feminist, but just know who you share this rhetoric with.

[Doodley]

187. Do you know what my race is? Where I was born? If I have a disability? What my religion is? No. Please don't stereotype

or patronize other people and presume you know if they are in a marginalized group or not. If you distrust what I am saying and that my opinion should be denigrated, please block me.

[Bev54]

18. I don't have Instagram and have never used it but I have had Facebook

My settings have always been private to strangers are not able to read or comment on my feed. I do not understand why people would have a totally open social media account for anyone to comment on. Does Instagram have a privacy setting on it?

[usonian]

20. With very few exceptions, "Social" media are pure poison.

Run by sociopaths.

[BigmanPigman]

28. DU is my only social media...

I have never done Twitter, Fakebook, Instagram, etc and I managed to survive without it.

When I left teaching several years ago I knew social media would become a problem very quickly. The writing was on the wall.

[Joinfortmill]

29. This is horrifying. What kind of men are we raising?

[Wednesdays]

51. Trump acolytes.

[1WorldHope]

74. The same ones we have always raised.

[Buddyzbuddy]

89. Ding, ding, ding, THAT IS THE POINT!

You are so right. In general, men are taught at a very young age, me included that no might mean maybe. If you want "something" bad enough, don't give up. We learn to socialize in kindergarten.

Isn't it cute how little Billy just ran up to kiss little Becky.
Well boy, have you told her how you feel? Yes but she's still not interested. You just have to try harder.

Society needs to teach young males (all ages) to respect, above all else girls and women in regards to everything.
Not somethings, not situationally, not based on attraction or your level of horniness but always. Not special treatment but equal treatment.
Neanderthals, it's time for extinction, take the hint.

[FullySupportDems]

30. It makes me think of a book I read

"The Gate to Women's Country
1988 novel by Sheri S. Tepper
The Gate to Women's Country is a post-apocalyptic novel by American writer Sheri S. Tepper, published in 1988. It describes a world set three hundred years into the future after a catastrophic war which has fractured the United States into several nations..."

Because I am very bitter.

[CrispyQ]

182. That was my 2nd Tepper novel.

Grass was my first. I read them all. Loved her!

[Mosby]

32. I was called a "cuck" yesterday on X by a woman defending Tuckers

Obsession with Jewish genes.

The problem is social media....

[xuplate]

37. Wracking my puny "female brain"

trying to understand why some men have the need to treat half of humanity as the enemy.

[Fil1957]

44. I completely understand why many women may want to have little to do with men. Sometimes it seems like men are a blight

on humanity. I say this as a heterosexual male. I am ashamed of many of my peers.

[marble falls]

69. I get that entirely. I do not crowd women or children because I don't want to cause them fear that I am one ...

... of "those guys". I also work hard to curb mansplaining.

[Scrivener7]

154. I don't think I've ever seen you stray even into the neighborhood of mansplaining.

[bluestarone]

46. Social media is a great source of people, families to keep in touch. It's beautiful. BUT

Like anything used in the wrong fashion it will DESTROY anything and everything!!

[Coolgoober]

47. Women Keep A Body Count????

Wasn't it a bunch of teen boys literally having a contest at a school, who could bed the most girls. It was probably 20 or 30 years ago. California I think.

[marble falls]

67. Incels think this about women, and they're pissed because they aren't getting in on anyone's count at all.

[JoseBalow]

54. Facebook is cancer

[Martin68]

62. Thank you for sharing.

[chouchou]

64. Even my husband gets the Proverbial Pissed Off when he hears how some men think of females.

Really..I have to calm him down. (Yes..I got a good one!)

[GenThePerservering]

65. Boys jump at that shit in a nanosecond

and have since I was a kid. Now they have a means of amplifying it, but now as then, I think it's a minority of losers who are 'very online' and have nothing else to do, but boys can basically be stupid, horrible pack followers.

I've been on social media since the beginning, and not identifying as female in most situations, keeping strict control over feeds and having a fuck-you attitude to rubbish (this poor kid sounds overwhelmed and I don't blame her) were just basics.

Since I use SM for my business, I have a lit of experience with it.

ETA: Telling this girl to get off SM won't work, but there needs to be some work and education to help girls deal with this, like the self-defense and martial arts basics every girl needs to be trained in, even if it does cause male tears.

[Bettie]

68. Parents need to teach their boys

to be better.

We've made an effort to teach our boys to be respectful to everyone.

Do they talk shit about people sometimes? Yes, usually because that person has annoyed them...but, none of them really use social media, their choice, they had free rein on what they did online, with the understanding that we could check their browser history at any time.

I think they saw how their dad treats women/girls and followed his lead.

So, yeah, boys CAN be respectful and decent, but it takes work, attention, and positive male role models.

For those who suggest that girls and women should just not use social media because some men and boys can't behave....Fuck that.

Women should not have to leave spaces (physical or digital) because some people choose to be toxic.

[marble falls]

72. We can't fix this online. It starts at home and in school.

[Bettie]

87. That's true

and far too many parents seem to think that bullying is just fine as long as it isn't their kid.

My older two boys bullied another kid once, when they were about 7 and 8. We took them to his house (with his parents' permission) and we asked him how what they did and said made him feel. He told us and my kids listened, then, they apologized, sincerely, without any prompting from us.

They learned from the interaction, because we made sure they heard and understood how what they did impacted the other kid. I think, all too often, kids are told to apologize and it doesn't have an impact, because they don't really understand how their behavior makes others feel.

Also, too many parents bully their own kids, leading them to think that behavior is acceptable.

Either way, yes, it does need to change and having a bunch of bullies in political office right now, running the country, doesn't help at all.

We need to become a kinder society, but a segment of society is fighting that tooth and nail.

The meanest kids in school almost always have MAGAt parents. They also tend to be the families who are in the front row at church every Sunday.

[Scrivener7]

94. But that means this fifteen year old has to endure this until the culture changes.

I'll take the heat for saying that, unless parents - and anyone else who cares about fifteen year olds - mount an effective protest demanding better moderation, if she was my kid, I wouldn't allow instagram.

It's being called "blaming the victim" here. But I see it as the equivalent of not sending the fifteen year old alone into a raunchy frat party.

[GenThePerservering]

107. The kids need better tools

TBH, children don't really need to be dealing with this, but the genie can't be stuffed back in the bottle.

[Scrivener7]

110. I'm speaking as someone whose only social media is DU, so I understand that I am

ignorant of anything but the fact that I would not allow my child to be subjected to what that girl is reading on a daily basis.

But are there no moderated substitutes for instagram?

This is abuse. This is an abusive relationship. There has to be a solution in which children are not damaged day after day after day. But until there is, children should not be on that site.

[Sympthsical]

162. You're fighting the good fight here

Many of the arguments in this thread are discouraging. "Kids have to be on social media!" is a wild take, and it smacks a little bit of alcoholics discussing why a few drinks after work to take the edge off aren't so bad.

We've performed our 20 year experiment on children's minds. The results are in - mental health ain't doing so well.

It's up to the parents to proactively intervene when it comes to their children.

I think I've mentioned this before on DU, but my then 15 year old niece had to be banned from Instagram by her parents. She was spending tons of time on there with her friends. Welp, she Instagrammed herself into a borderline eating disorder. My brother and sister-in-law would sit at the kitchen table and watch her eat, then surreptitiously monitor her after every meal. It was heartbreaking to witness in person. They were so anxious about what their daughter was being exposed to. But her mother had finally had enough. No more Instagram. End of discussion. Was there pushback and fighting about it? Absolutely. But hey, parenting is rough. They're your kids, not your friends.

People act like social media is the modern equivalent of going to the mall or something. But it's not. It is everything in this world - good and bad - streamlined into one place. Yes, friends are there. So are pornography, violence, racism, sexism, and a hundred other ills. Parents used to be able to control to some degree what their kids had access to. You couldn't go into a sex shop or get a dirty magazine unless you were fairly sneaky about it. Now, it's streamed directly into their eyeballs. A 15 year old girl wasn't waltzing into the bar full of foul-mouthed drunks and hanging out all night. Now that's the atmosphere many of them are exposed to on the regular.

Kids would have stage fright about giving a presentation in front of 15 people. Now everything they say and do is scrutinized and commented upon instantly by thousands of people. They get real time feedback that can play into their worse anxieties. And it is the Internet. It is forever.

This is not "just what it's like" to grow up. There is a permission structure by parents around this. And adults who are "Oh well, whatkinyado? Kids will do whatever they want," about it are actively sacrificing any kind of responsibility as parents to the Internet.

People need to break out of this, "I want to be the cool, understanding parent" attitudes about this stuff. Sure. But you know what you have to be before you can be even that?

The fucking parent.

[Scrivener7]

165. I wonder if people who grew up with this will be more careful with their own children.

As you say, we didn't fully understand what it was doing. Today's parents do. I bet they will be stricter with it.

I hope so.

[Sympthsical]

169. The parents my age are much more aware of it

Older Millennial. Came up through AOL chatrooms and message boards, and then straight into all the rest.

We are more acutely aware of what social media are and all the little associated platforms, what goes on there, all the little nooks and crannies like Discord, Snapchat, and all the rest. I'm in all the gaming spaces where young men and boys are talking outside of parents' supervision.

We've had conversations about all of this. In my niece's case, her mother is around my age and knew exactly what was going down. As soon as it became a problem, that was that. My 30 and 40 something year old friends with kids are frequently paranoid about letting them run around with the stuff. I increasingly see, "You can take a flip phone to school, but not your smart phone."

Of course there are always bad parents who throw their kid in front of a tablet, but there is a sense my generation on down is side-eyeing it at an increasing rate as the mental health costs become more screamingly apparent.

[Scrivener7]

171. I LOVE that idea of a flip phone for school! And I love to hear there is more healthy fear of this shit.

[Sympthsical]

172. Absolutely, but problems will beget problems

As we've seen, plenty of adults are addicted to social media and see it as a vital, central part of their daily lives.

One cannot imagine someone like that is going to raise children with habits that veer away from it.

We often center our conversations around what we're going to do about the kids. But every day at an increasing rate, I keep wondering what we're going to do about the adults. This is wrecking people's brains, and a brainless society is not going to function particularly well going forward.

I know the arguments against it, but I feel myself inching closer and closer to, "Go ahead and repeal section 230. If the companies don't want to make this work, make them financially responsible."

[Scrivener7]

173. This is just the beginning. AI will do the rest.

[Quiet Em]

167. The parents of your niece did the right thing.

This is a long, hearbreaking and tragic story on this issue of young girls, instagram and eating disorders. It's in the algorithms. It's happening to too many young girls.

https://time.com/7295323/social-media-case-instagram-tiktok/

[Scrivener7]

168. It's in the frigging algorithms. This is how Zuckerberg makes his money.

Shaking my damn head.

May he and those other parasites like him burn in hell.

[Sympthsical]

174. AI and filters aren't going to make it any better

Young men and boys are getting it too. Which is something I never thought was a thing outside of kids on the wrestling team while I was coming up in the 90s. I saw some wild statistic a few weeks ago as part of my pediatrics rotation that the rate of males being admitted to the hospital due to eating disorders was up something like 400% in the past twenty years.

But sure. We have no idea what the problem is. Clear blue sky and all that.

[jfz9580m]

71. The net has warped human perceptions of reality

It is generally a non-positive force in every direction.

I have been experiencing some epiphanies about the past 14+ years constantly lately. And certainly a lot of drivel is due to social media driven misperception of reality (I will spell it out more carefully in my own posts so I convey things simply, taking care neither to exacerbate existing divides needlessly nor to dilute anything down..I have a hunch that insipid complacence is not solely behind such an unfair world. Its also quasi-orchestrated conflicts via emotion triggers and a form of thought pollution I guess. How much that is the source as opposed to other factors remains to be seen..

It is lame when Marc Andreessen and other business people in ai/data/logistics who aren’t particularly good at real world science (however much cache they ger irl via advertising, marketing, entertainment, sports, betting, gaming) talk about equations. But there is a real mathematical picture of reality that runs in our brains on autopilot. It is pretty cool.

A lot of life is pretty conflict free and pleasant enough in my experience. I mean among people none of whom are particularly wealthy, glamorous etc but comfortable enough. Importantly, often people who feel they have enough and have no wish to be famous or wealthy. That stuff is a social scourge.

It clearly gets crazy at the top and chronic and extreme unfairness makes it more hellish the worse off you are economically, with every additional unfair roll of the dice, skewing the birth or life lottery against you more.

I have been fairly fortunate in some ways and had that sort of wiped out in others. I am pondering it..Many of us here/many people I follow (Troy Farah, Yasha Levine etc.) are apparently presumably “zealots”. Well..then we should be zealots better..

[Scrivener7]

170. I'll be watching for those posts about your epiphanies. It sounds interesting.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

77. And god forgive an action movie features a woman or person of color..only a white male can save the world

Whole youtube identities are built on abusing any media that doesn't have the white male as the main protagonist.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

115. Instagram and Facebook

don't have privacy settings? Block features?

Not much sense waiting around for society or culture or karma to miraculously change predatory males into decent human beings.

And since children must access social media because reasons, wouldn't being proactive with privacy settings make more sense?

“Do y’all females ever tell ur homegirls ‘Sis chill you letting too many dudes hit?’”



Obviously there were no guardrails whatsoever to keep this gibberish from getting through.

Delete. Block. Use privacy settings.

[popsdenver]

126. Screw social media

Did you just hear the public comment the Leader of OUR nation just said about our WINNING, Olympic Women's hockey team????????

[stollen]

147. Easy to see why we've had no female presidents

If I had a daughter, I strongly encourage her to take self defence classes.

[Mosby]

148. You have to tailor your feed.

This is the kind of thing I see on Instagram. And yes, this is me, lol.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSPN7WHj1uJ/?igsh=MTF1Nm5uYjBwcDUzeg==

Eta potato the prairie dog is a good follow. Found them via Mikal Bridges of the Knicks.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUxIPBJjQ0b/?igsh=MWZwdWNncDF6cWNqbw==

[MorbidButterflyTat]

153. OMG

Hilarious!! I loved the two toddlers: "No matter how hard you try, arguing with a woman is a battle you just cannot win."

Thanks for posting that.

[drmeow]

176. The beauty of posts like this

is that the responses give me a list of misogynistic DU members to put on ignore!

[calimary]

183. Sad to see. REALLY sad to see!