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LiberalArkie

(19,569 posts)
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 09:33 AM Yesterday

Dutch newspaper AD reports on possible dead girls related to the Epstein case

THIS IS HUGE: for the first time the Dutch newspaper AD reports on possible dead girls related to the Epstein case. They stated that the investigation of the grounds of the 'baby factory' Zorro ranch very likely will include excavation work. They name the report that 2 foreign girls might be buried there. This is a reliable newspaper. The dam is breaking and we the Dutch know how to deal with it


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Dutch newspaper AD reports on possible dead girls related to the Epstein case (Original Post) LiberalArkie Yesterday OP
Oh my................. Lovie777 Yesterday #1
My fear exactly Easterncedar Yesterday #4
My peeps! FalloutShelter Yesterday #2
The Zorro ranch is a start, but then Mar a Lago, Epstein Island, and all Trump golf courses Chasstev365 Yesterday #3
Well, Trump Knows How To Bury Bodies On Golf Courses. ColoringFool Yesterday #10
It was widely reported that Ivana's coffin was very heavy. Lead lining or gold bars? flashman13 Yesterday #21
Or documents. Wednesdays Yesterday #22
AHA! flashman13 Yesterday #26
Hey, stacks of paper really do start to get heavy! calimary Yesterday #31
One ream of paper (500 sheets) weighs about 5 pounds. Wednesdays Yesterday #34
2000 pounds bucolic_frolic Yesterday #40
I stand corrected. Thanks! Wednesdays Yesterday #41
Wouldn't he just burn documents instead of burying them? wnylib 20 hrs ago #57
Unless he may need them in the future? shanti 17 hrs ago #65
How would anyone know that the coffin was very heavy? Wiz Imp Yesterday #45
I think it was because it took, if memory serves, TEN pall bearers, and this little lady was CREMATED! colorado_ufo 14 hrs ago #68
She was NOT Cremated. Does nobody read the threads they are responding to? Wiz Imp 8 hrs ago #70
I apologize for the error. colorado_ufo 5 hrs ago #76
And it is not so much the ranch itself but they leased state or county land around it Bev54 Yesterday #30
All of Krasnov's properties... ultralite001 Yesterday #33
they used sulphuric acid and/or an incinerator in new mexico rampartd Yesterday #44
K & R malaise Yesterday #5
Luckily, journalism is still alive and well outside the U.S. sop Yesterday #6
That's why you need to get your news on social media womanofthehills 18 hrs ago #61
What about Cherokee100 Yesterday #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Volaris Yesterday #13
There's No Evidence Ivana Trump Was Cremated Wiz Imp Yesterday #43
Thank you for the correction. Volaris 21 hrs ago #54
Yes she "fell" right before she was due to testify TBF Yesterday #36
The owner of Zorro ranch announced he has already begun an extensive demolition and renovation plan Scrivener7 Yesterday #8
So another trafficking hot spot? Christian retreat my ass. travelingthrulife Yesterday #17
and the guy is connected to the admin too Kali Yesterday #19
It's not that easy. swong19104 Yesterday #23
"I'm going to guess any evidence is gone." Wednesdays Yesterday #24
NM is not just looking for bodies womanofthehills Yesterday #37
And even the biggest backhoes and bulldozers on earth won't bury that. nt Wednesdays Yesterday #38
Or, were the babies sold to the highest bidders wnylib 20 hrs ago #58
Seems certain now, Gordcanuck Yesterday #29
When was this "announced" and when did the demolition/earthwork commence? Record of specific action dates is KPN 23 hrs ago #47
How many girls did the Trump-Epstein club rape and murder? dalton99a Yesterday #9
I Think The Term "Innumerable" Applies Here. JE Began LONG AGO. ColoringFool Yesterday #11
As we say in medicine, unfortunately evolves Yesterday #25
Baby factory...but only male babies, la Elon? Can we expect the female infants or fetuses travelingthrulife Yesterday #12
Females do not have the same cash value as blonde hair blue eyed male babies. LiberalArkie Yesterday #18
"...Then check Trumps golf courses" a comment from someone on Threads for this post mysteryowl Yesterday #14
Probably similar injuries to... Trueblue Texan Yesterday #16
Unfortunately- looks like more torture than just falling out windows womanofthehills 18 hrs ago #63
Thanks for the graphic details, but I was talking about the method of death of subjects in previous post. Nt Trueblue Texan 8 hrs ago #69
No Statute Of Limitations On Murder 2na fisherman Yesterday #15
As a building contractor... Escape Yesterday #20
The person making that allegation in the files demanded Bitcoin.... cer7711 Yesterday #27
Good advice to tread carefully, but reporting what a newspaper said here was not unsubstantiated Ilikepurple 21 hrs ago #53
It was an AD in a Dutch newspaper, wnylib 20 hrs ago #59
AD is a Dutch newspaper: IcyPeas 18 hrs ago #60
Oops. Did not know that. Thanks. wnylib 17 hrs ago #66
K&R UTUSN Yesterday #28
Is there some other confirmation for this? leftstreet Yesterday #32
Wtih color photos... progressoid Yesterday #35
Thanks leftstreet Yesterday #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Figarosmom Yesterday #42
There aren't any biodies.... reACTIONary Yesterday #46
Just like back in the 60's when Mississippi people and Arkansas people were claiming that the 3 civil rights workers LiberalArkie 22 hrs ago #49
Not anything like that.... reACTIONary 22 hrs ago #50
How do you know? oberle 22 hrs ago #52
How do I know that this is nothing like that? Because... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #56
See, you're easy to discount Just_Vote_Dem 8 hrs ago #71
Why do you say there has been no investigation? Most of these allegations.... reACTIONary 5 hrs ago #74
Sorry, I know sealioning when I see it-Buh Bye!!!! n/t Just_Vote_Dem 5 hrs ago #75
You never know - lots of locals were hired for jobs there womanofthehills 18 hrs ago #62
"You never know"..... reACTIONary 17 hrs ago #64
No doubt they had to dispose of the "troublesome" victims. Evolve Dammit 23 hrs ago #48
for sure Iran will be bombed this weekend Skittles 22 hrs ago #51
If they find remains canetoad 21 hrs ago #55
For the sake of their own asses, the creeps in the Epstein circle best not mess with the Dutch or . . . John1956PA 16 hrs ago #67
With absolutely no evidence except just the fact that I have paid attention Susan Calvin 7 hrs ago #72
Ghislaine is likely culpable Danascot 7 hrs ago #73

flashman13

(2,246 posts)
21. It was widely reported that Ivana's coffin was very heavy. Lead lining or gold bars?
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 12:03 PM
Yesterday

Just asking for a friend.

Insert thingy.

Wednesdays

(22,103 posts)
34. One ream of paper (500 sheets) weighs about 5 pounds.
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 02:24 PM
Yesterday

So...200,000 documents would weigh 200 pounds.

bucolic_frolic

(54,653 posts)
40. 2000 pounds
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 03:13 PM
Yesterday

200,000 pages divided by 500 sheets = 400 reams.

400 reams x 5 pounds - 2,000 lbs.

Wiz Imp

(9,508 posts)
45. How would anyone know that the coffin was very heavy?
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 04:08 PM
Yesterday

The only people who might know that are the pallbearers. Did one of them make a statement to that effect? Nobody else would have ever lifted it to know.

colorado_ufo

(6,213 posts)
68. I think it was because it took, if memory serves, TEN pall bearers, and this little lady was CREMATED!
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 02:20 AM
14 hrs ago

Maybe 10 pounds of ashes?

Wiz Imp

(9,508 posts)
70. She was NOT Cremated. Does nobody read the threads they are responding to?
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 08:44 AM
8 hrs ago
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=21032897

And if there were 10 pallbearers, who says they were all necessary to carry any weight? It's not unusual to have 10 pallbearers at a funeral of a public person/celbrity.

Bev54

(13,365 posts)
30. And it is not so much the ranch itself but they leased state or county land around it
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 02:12 PM
Yesterday

Epstein was not stupid, if he was burying bodies he would likely not do so on his own land. They are including that in their search.

rampartd

(4,398 posts)
44. they used sulphuric acid and/or an incinerator in new mexico
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 04:05 PM
Yesterday

as for the more aquatic locations, ever notice how obsessed trump is with sharks?

stupid and arrogant as these azzwholes are, there may be something there.

sop

(18,103 posts)
6. Luckily, journalism is still alive and well outside the U.S.
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 09:49 AM
Yesterday

People like Bezos, Weiss and others are making sure it's dead over here.

womanofthehills

(10,825 posts)
61. That's why you need to get your news on social media
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 10:42 PM
18 hrs ago

Independent reporters and Independent podcasters with no sponsors but subscribers.

Cherokee100

(444 posts)
7. What about
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 10:47 AM
Yesterday

What about Ivana Trump being buried, on his Bedminster golf course? Didn't she 'fall' down some stairs?

Response to Cherokee100 (Reply #7)

Wiz Imp

(9,508 posts)
43. There's No Evidence Ivana Trump Was Cremated
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 04:04 PM
Yesterday
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ivana-trump-cremated/

Claim:
Ivana Trump was actually cremated and a casket supposedly for her was instead filled with several classified and top secret documents to keep them hidden from federal investigators.
Rating:
Unfounded

On Sept. 20, 2022, the word "cremated" began to trend on Twitter with an unfounded rumor about the death of Ivana Trump, former U.S. President Donald Trump's first ex-wife.

She died on July 14 and was buried six days later at Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, New Jersey. According to The New York Times, the ground at the golf club was "consecrated so Ms. Trump could have a traditional Catholic burial."

One tweet asked, "If Ivana was cremated, what was in the coffin?" A different tweet included a picture of pallbearers carrying her casket and also claimed she had been cremated. We found no shortage of tweets that pushed this completely unsupported rumor that claimed she had been cremated.

Scrivener7

(59,051 posts)
8. The owner of Zorro ranch announced he has already begun an extensive demolition and renovation plan
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 10:48 AM
Yesterday

for the property. He says he plans to turn it into a Christian retreat for CHILDREN!

I'm going to guess any evidence is gone.

travelingthrulife

(4,926 posts)
17. So another trafficking hot spot? Christian retreat my ass.
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:12 AM
Yesterday

Remember that the holiest of Christians, Betsy DeVoss, trafficked children from the southern border to other people.

Kali

(56,748 posts)
19. and the guy is connected to the admin too
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:36 AM
Yesterday

his son is in it somehow. there was an article here a little while back. he's a rich texan.

swong19104

(600 posts)
23. It's not that easy.
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 12:06 PM
Yesterday

It would take time and effort. And lots of hush money. NM has already initiated a search.

Wednesdays

(22,103 posts)
24. "I'm going to guess any evidence is gone."
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 12:08 PM
Yesterday

Not necessarily.

They'd have to do an awful lot of digging to destroy all the evidence. Unless Gaetz knew where all the bodies were buried.

womanofthehills

(10,825 posts)
37. NM is not just looking for bodies
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 03:03 PM
Yesterday

They are looking at trails. Like who knew what and when - who knew the horrors and reported to FBI and who kept quiet. Local people who worked there could have info. What happened to the babies? Were they adopted out, killed etc.

Rep Stanberry mentioned men might have even been killed there.

wnylib

(25,410 posts)
58. Or, were the babies sold to the highest bidders
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 08:39 PM
20 hrs ago

who wanted a White infant t9 adopt?

OR, sold to people who would raise it to be used in a pedophile set ring?

Gordcanuck

(171 posts)
29. Seems certain now,
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 01:05 PM
Yesterday

with the speedup of demo activity. Evidence of other kinds is still being “unearthed”, such as the photo of Bill,Clinton sitting on a couch at E-stein’s island with his arm around a younger lady with face obscured. He’ll be asked about that one for sure whether in public or not.

KPN

(17,254 posts)
47. When was this "announced" and when did the demolition/earthwork commence? Record of specific action dates is
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 05:28 PM
23 hrs ago

important, no?

travelingthrulife

(4,926 posts)
12. Baby factory...but only male babies, la Elon? Can we expect the female infants or fetuses
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:02 AM
Yesterday

to be buried all over the place. Although females are easier to traffic, I suppose.

They can start working immediately in Trump's Sex Trafficking and Blackmail Services, Inc. Clarence Thomas likes them at 5 years old I hear.

LiberalArkie

(19,569 posts)
18. Females do not have the same cash value as blonde hair blue eyed male babies.
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:32 AM
Yesterday

Last edited Thu Feb 19, 2026, 01:15 PM - Edit history (1)

Edited to add: to the pedophiles and abusers. Really do not know why, but that has always been the thing it seemed like growing up. Probably no one ever believed a boy when they told someone.

mysteryowl

(8,986 posts)
14. "...Then check Trumps golf courses" a comment from someone on Threads for this post
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:08 AM
Yesterday

It reminded me that Trump buried his ex-wife in one of his golf courses. How odd that was.

And it is an idea 99.9% of humanity would not have as a 'good location' for the ex-wife.
(It was said she died falling down the stairs)







womanofthehills

(10,825 posts)
63. Unfortunately- looks like more torture than just falling out windows
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 10:56 PM
18 hrs ago

Epson files contain descriptions of girls being chocked, bitten, bleeding from everywhere- mouth, vagina, butt, painful sex toys, fisting girls - all beyond evil sick. These monsters need to be punished.

Trueblue Texan

(4,287 posts)
69. Thanks for the graphic details, but I was talking about the method of death of subjects in previous post. Nt
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 08:37 AM
8 hrs ago

2na fisherman

(291 posts)
15. No Statute Of Limitations On Murder
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:08 AM
Yesterday

The "Epstein Class" feels entitled to treat people as objects to be sexually abused. And the real fear about their sex scandals is not that they will be revealed as sex perverts, which is understood by them to be having forbidden sex for fun with impunity. But the levels of depravity go beyond sex and drift into the evil worlds of cannibalism, torture and those once-rumored snuff films. Sadistic sex perverts seeking ultimate thrills are not gratified by rape. Some feel compelled to dominate their victims to the point of making them suffer and taking away their lives as if they could become gods of life and death-- some ultimate power trip for those twisted personalities who are all id and are amoral. To them, morality applies to the starving masses, never them. Today those wealthy types may be investigated for their possible involvement with murder. And this may continue to haunt them since they can't easily bribe their way out of it, or successfully cover it up.

Escape

(420 posts)
20. As a building contractor...
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 11:49 AM
Yesterday

I will note that disposing of bodies in or under concrete slabs would insure that all evidence is lost forever.



cer7711

(612 posts)
27. The person making that allegation in the files demanded Bitcoin....
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 12:20 PM
Yesterday

.... before revealing the location of those (supposed) graves.
This might be nothing more than a wild rumor/shake-down attempt .
Of course, an allegation this serious needs to be looked into.
Just be careful, please, reporting unsubstantiated rumors/shakedown attempts as verified facts.

Ilikepurple

(520 posts)
53. Good advice to tread carefully, but reporting what a newspaper said here was not unsubstantiated
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 07:09 PM
21 hrs ago

Perhaps the newspaper should be careful as some are confused by the word possible? I’m wary of the more horrid and seemingly outlandish claims about the Epstein affair, but I’m not sure that anyone here knows what information is getting to the various interested government and journalists or its evidential support. So, I’m also wary of those who take what information they know as the entirety of what’s available.

progressoid

(52,906 posts)
35. Wtih color photos...
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 02:37 PM
Yesterday

Post by @francis_konings
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Google lens translate (I don't read Dutch)


ZORRO RANCH
New Mexico Investigates Plan for Super Race and Potential Victims
Did Jeffrey Epstein's 'baby factory' really exist?
Jeffrey Epstein hatched a terrifying plan to set up a baby factory on his New Mexico ranch for a "master breed." The extent of his plan and the number of victims he claimed are being investigated seven years after his death.
Sanne Scheffaut
Rotterdam

A joint Republican-Democrat mission is investigating, among other things, whether the ranch's infrastructure (such as the unusually large living quarters and medical facilities) was intended for the haberdashery. They are investigating whether there are any indications that children were actually born there or whether the plan was in its early stages.
Female victims of abuse at the ranch are also being interviewed, and the commission members also revealed that special attention is being paid to an anonymous tip from 2019, which can also be found in the documents released last month.
This tip, sent via email to a local radio host seven years ago, indicates that two foreign girls are buried in the hills near the ranch. This is said to have been done on the orders of Epstein and "Madam G" (presumably
Ghislaine Maxwell...

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reACTIONary

(7,088 posts)
46. There aren't any biodies....
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 04:42 PM
Yesterday

.... there aren't any dead girls. This all Q-crap CT bullshit.

It is unlikely that anyone will "excavate" at the Zoro ranch. They are just going to interview witnesses. Who won't provide any information that is important or isn't already known.

LiberalArkie

(19,569 posts)
49. Just like back in the 60's when Mississippi people and Arkansas people were claiming that the 3 civil rights workers
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 06:20 PM
22 hrs ago

just ran away and people in Mississippi would never harm them.

reACTIONary

(7,088 posts)
56. How do I know that this is nothing like that? Because...
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 07:56 PM
21 hrs ago

.... back in the 60's when Mississippi people and Arkansas people were claiming that the 3 civil rights workers just ran away, we knew who they were and we knew they were actually missing.

Who are these girls who have allegedly been murdered? Who has reported them missing?

A better comparison is to the satanic cult moral panic in which it was claimed that children were being sacrificed - but no children were missing.

This is a ludicrous Q-Anon, Pizza-gate type moral panic. I'll be so glad when this fiasco is over.

Just_Vote_Dem

(3,597 posts)
71. See, you're easy to discount
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 08:52 AM
8 hrs ago

Because there hasn't even been an investigation, and you're already saying there's nothing there.

Some of us can see through that kind of thing

reACTIONary

(7,088 posts)
74. Why do you say there has been no investigation? Most of these allegations....
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 11:26 AM
5 hrs ago

... Were made a long time ago and were often vetted by the Biden administration. Many of them were made by anonymous tipsters who can't even be contacted. In most cases they are second or third hand hearsay.

Maybe you could give me an example - a very specific example - of an allegation that you think warrants investigation and hasn't been investigated.

If the DOJ investigated every crazy claim they get without doing a triage, our justice system would be overwhelmed and actual crimes would not get the investigation that is warranted.

womanofthehills

(10,825 posts)
62. You never know - lots of locals were hired for jobs there
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 10:49 PM
18 hrs ago

Lots of info in Epstein files and Rep Stanberry saw some redacted files. I’m sure she concentrated on the ranch files. She wants to know who knew what and when.

canetoad

(20,531 posts)
55. If they find remains
Thu Feb 19, 2026, 07:52 PM
21 hrs ago

I fervently hope there is viable DNA to be collected. Identify them.

John1956PA

(4,900 posts)
67. For the sake of their own asses, the creeps in the Epstein circle best not mess with the Dutch or . . .
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 12:15 AM
16 hrs ago

. . . any investigators in the other Northwestern European countries, lest someone like this guy might come calling:



Susan Calvin

(2,423 posts)
72. With absolutely no evidence except just the fact that I have paid attention
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 09:28 AM
7 hrs ago

given what these people were willing to do, there is no doubt in my mind that some inconvenient people were disposed of

Danascot

(5,185 posts)
73. Ghislaine is likely culpable
Fri Feb 20, 2026, 10:01 AM
7 hrs ago

At a minimum she recruited and groomed the girls and taught them skills like 'massage'. I'm not a lawyer but wouldn't she be considered an accessory to murder?

And she may have more direct involvement. In one of the posts above it alleges (burials) "is said to have been done on the orders of Epstein and "Madam G" (presumably Ghislaine Maxwell..."

If trump pardons her she will leave the country and never surface again.

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