Anyone Listening To What The Sheriff In The Nancy Gutherie Case Is Saying

[gab13by13]

Right wing media says it may have been a home invasion gone bad - the sheriff says no it wasn’t, it was a kidnapping.

The right wing media is saying the perpetrator was an amateur getting his photo caught on the door camera - the sheriff says he wanted his photo caught.

The sheriff came out yesterday and made a shocking statement, at least to me, he said the motive may have been revenge. What does he know to make that statement?

They find a black glove that may have been worn by the perp, the sheriff doesn’t give it to the FBI to test the DNA, he sends it to a private firm, why?

Krasnov makes a public statement he wants the perp to get the death penalty, why, is he covering his own ass?

Something is not right with this kidnapping, the sheriff has to keep correcting the media, like family involvement.

[PJMcK]

1. Yeah, something's fishy about this case (n/t)

[babsbunny]

2. Because of this?

[gab13by13]

3. You read my mind

Everyone here would get a lot of hides the way we speak about Krasnov, but he is so evil they really aren’t unfounded conspiracy theories. There is no bottom to his depravity, including murder, he even said he could shoot people.

[Trueblue Texan]

10. OMG.

I'll bet that's it.

[tinrobot]

17. Whoah. Yeah, that's probably it.

This is not much different than Russians "falling" out of third story windows.

[generalbetrayus]

33. I dunno about this - this interview is six years old. I don't think Orange Julius Caesar is the kind to think

that revenge is a dish best served cold.

[wolfie001]

38. Ivana "falling" down her staircase conveniently in 2017?

I think he's patient and waiting for opportunities. He definitely didn't want her autobiography to come out.

[fierywoman]

45. Reported that she was carrying a up of coffee, but the coffee only spilled at the bottom of the stairs.

[Attilatheblond]

49. And the NDA he made he sign in order to get alimony had just expired

Re the delay between the TV interview with Epstein victims and now? Back when the interview first ran, the whole story was not top of the news for legacy media. It is NOW, and a lot of powerful people likely want media to STFU, so a big warning seems likely.

[wolfie001]

54. I'm thinking Russian hitman

Flown in and out by the fat orange slob. Just my opinion.

[liberalla]

48. IIRC, her NDA was going to expire and she was scheduled to give a deposition 2 days later...

SO, timing was convenient.

I am not certain, and meant to run the info down, but I had read that 2 or 3 times. (I mean it wouldn't be surprising, right?)

[wolfie001]

55. Oh yes!

That's for the info. He's an evil and cruel pig.

[dflprincess]

64. Ivana died in 2022 not 2017

I think it was because her NDA was a out to expire.
Though I've considered that Don, Jr may have blown through his allowance & was trying to shake her down for more money.

[wolfie001]

72. Oh thanks

I hate the whole family, so I'd rather skip the details and go right to the polemics

[Rebl2]

39. He holds

grudges a long time. Still angry with Obama over something said many years ago.

[debsy]

62. Dumpster doesn't care when the revenge happens...

… as long as it happens!

[KPN]

41. YES! Exactly. My wife mentioned this to me a couple days ago. So the fact that Savanna Guthrie was the first to

interview victims on national TV has gotten out there and around. And the average American is smarter than the average voting American apparently and putting 2 + 2 together!

Guthrie's kidnapping is a message to journalists everywhere! Chilling.

We need to keep the pressure up as a people or lose our freedom ... Worse, if this partnership group of ultra-wealthy and outright Nazi's hold power long enough, the entire human species is at risk given the money myopia in the face of global environmental calamity.

[mahina]

70. WHOA

I had no idea and that makes perfect sense

[GCG]

4. Wow!

Who takes a body with them after a home invasion "gone bad"?

They found several gloves in the area, the closest one was found about 2 miles from her home, and looked similar to the glove that was worn by the suspect caught on the door camera.

This morning it was announced that the family was cleared by the Pima County Sheriff.

[milestogo]

9. Do a lot of people wear gloves in Tuscon?

[Prairie Gates]

18. Cooks and chefs wear black latex gloves routinely now

They also are known to throw them out their car windows from time to time.

[milestogo]

26. Those are thin, lightweight gloves.

[Rebl2]

40. How about

trash collectors. Our trash collectors wear gloves. The one two miles away from the house I think is a stretch.

[allegorical oracle]

57. SNAFU -- Reported yesterday (Monday) afternoon that the gloves belonged to people

who were searching the area for any missed clues. Yeah, the searchers were taking off their gloves as they were looking for clues. Searchers who came along later started picking them up and their "found" gloves matched gloves being passed out to searchers.

Source: MS NOW, but no link.

[Oppaloopa]

67. So do CNA,s and home health aids

[Oppaloopa]

68. So do CNA,s and home health aids

[Attilatheblond]

50. Tucson sits at the base of mountains that do have a ski run, so yeah, gloves happen.

Re the distance between Nancy's home and where glove was found, the place has a huge coyote population and those desert dogs like toys same as pet dogs. Not uncommon for them to sometimes carry items they find off for a bit.

[fargone]

60. Gardeners. A lot of landscape plants there are quite prickly

[Lovie777]

5. RW media will rarely tell facts, evidence, truths, unless it completely favors them..............

RWers main tool is to deceive, lie, do what ever to keep people in trusting them.

Colbert interviewed a Democrat but CBS did not air it in fear of the FCC. It was not fear, it was to make sure they control the narrative.

Free speech for me but not for thee.

Again the court will have to intervene.

As to Nancy Gurtherie, yes, it foul revengeful shit going on and the F.B.I. and the DOJ are at the center of it.

[AverageOldGuy]

6. It's simple

Savannah Guthrie did important interview(s) with Epstein survivors.

Someone in MAGA world decided to strike back.

Trump knows about it. He is as guilty in this case as he is in Jan 6.

The Pima County sheriff figured it out in about 30 seconds.

[gab13by13]

7. Wonder how many times,

when the FBI gets involved in a case, that the local sheriff did not give evidence to the FBI to be analyzed for DNA, but sent it to a private lab instead?

I bet not many times if any. I heard a retired FBI agent, had to be a Magat because he was on FOX, say what the sheriff did was wrong sending that out to be analyzed, time is of the essence.

There are many examples of the media leading this case in the wrong direction.

This morning the media is publicizing that the FBI is taking photos of people to 40 gun shops to see if they recognize anyone who bought a gun there. That doesn't even make sense. What would make more sense is to get the Walmart videos of people buying that cheap holster and the backpack.

They need to get the people from the TV show The First 48, the investigators from Tulsa.

Kash Patel should be in jail and not the head of the FBI.

[Ocelot II]

11. Kash Patel's FBI investigates what it wants to investigate and quashes investigations

of matters The Boss doesn't want investigated. Like the murders of Pretti and Good. The FBI refuses to turn over to the state any evidence it has collected in order to be sure Trump's murderous goons aren't prosecuted.

[liberalla]

56. There's a lot of friction between Nanos and FBI/Patel, but I don't buy your theory. The sheriffs elections here

have been very political. I live in Tucson and we definitely have had our problems with BP, ICE and Drumpf. When the FBI showed up here the first thing I thought was they're going to try and pin this on an Immigrant! They're going to plant evidence and frame some poor immigrant for this!** If they have a chance to do it, they're going to try to! I texted this to my friend and she said that's what she had just told her husband!

I really think it's more like Nanos doesn't trust the PATEL FBI, and doesn't want them taking control of the evidence and the investigation. I tend to agree! Having the skills, resources and manpower of the FBI is good /// but NOT with Patel in charge.

** See? Mexicans are murderers, rapists, drug dealers, etc!! And now they kidnapped the mother of beloved morning anchor Savannah Guthrie!

[Harker]

8. Why is Trumpsky saying anything about possible sentencing?

That's clearly an act that can adversely affect the course of the investigation.

[Prairie Gates]

19. Indeed...if a family member or somebody against the DP has information

Trump's spouting off might dissuade them from giving information. Remember that Ted Kaczynski's brother wanted a no death penalty assurance before going to the Feds with his suspicion.

[Harker]

21. That's an angle I hadn't considered.

I stopped thinking of 'how' after it occurred to me that a hypothetical kidnapper might be pushed to a point of thinking there was 'nothing left to lose.'

[Sogo]

52. What is DP??????????????????????

[Harker]

66. I took it to be "death penalty."

[Stargazer99]

36. Not when it seems like the FBI and DOJ don't seem to be impartial

[B.See]

65. Why? Phoney a** posturing to look like

he's on top of it, covering for something he thinks/fears might come out, or he just can't keep his big mouth SHUT.

Take your pick.

[Historic NY]

12. I have lots of Questions

Things done much later rather than sooner.

[Kid Berwyn]

14. Ka$h Patel

Traitor knows how to make things happen for Putin’s Puppet.

[hamsterjill]

15. Ashleigh Banfield has just been plain weird about insisting it's the son-in-law.

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I've only seen blurbs because I don't like to watch her, but she's never provided anything more than "a source told her" as evidence. She's been insistent.

The sheriff has now plainly, bluntly and completely said there were no family members involved.

[Joinfortmill]

20. The family has been cleared, but honestly, I thought it was him, too. I still have my doubts about him.

[Joinfortmill]

16. I've been following Brian Entin...He seems to have access to a lot of information on this sad story.

[area51]

22. If I were that sheriff,

I woudn't trust Ka$h Patel's fbi to do a DNA analysis, either.

[liberalla]

59. Totally agree! I posted that up thread #56

The Pima County Sheriff's Dept elections have become pretty political -- especially since Drump entered politics about 10 yrs ago!

[Baitball Blogger]

23. Our own local police departments don't trust our federal criminal justice dept.

We've got your back, Sheriff!

[bucolic_frolic]

25. That's what's happening.

[JohnnyRingo]

24. What if the kidnappers just happen to be MS13 and Haitians?

Wouldn't that be a lucky coincidence for the MAGAs? Especially if everyone ends up dead.
It would be full speed ahead on deportations, and much of America would be behind it. It seems the Sheriff doesn't trust the feds right now either so we may not know what they found..

I was thinking about this a couple weeks ago
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220998995

[gab13by13]

29. The sheriff didn't wait on the Feds,

he had his men gather evidence for 20 hours both inside and outside the house. He sent the black glove to a private lab for DNA analysis.

This sheriff isn't going to get railroaded although there is a campaign going on in the media saying he botched the investigation, more like, he stopped Patel from rigging the investigation.

[Karma13612]

74. Actually,

As far as I know, the FBI does not intervene unless requested by local authorities. They have to be invited.

That’s why initial evidence needing DNA testing was sent to an independent lab, not the FBI. So when the FBI DID become involved, the sheriff wanted to continue sending all evidence to the initial lab for continuity (all DNA in the same place).

I remember the reports that the sheriff was resistant to sending to the FBI lab and it was being questioned.

[Old Crank]

27. Maybe the sheriff doesn't trust

The FBI in this case.

[C_U_L8R]

28. Gosh, the right wing media has an agenda?

[gab13by13]

30. Just imagine for a minute what would happen,

if Patel's FBI came out and said the DNA on the glove was from some poor undocumented fella who happened to physically look like the real perp.

Krasnov would be demanding more money for ICE.

The sheriff may have prevented this from happening by having his men investigate the crime scene and by sending the glove to a private lab.

The MSM is trying to mislead us, trying to blame the sheriff.

[Emile]

31. The sheriff is a democrat. I trust the sheriff!

[efhmc]

32. It has been too long. The lady is dead.

[calimary]

47. I'm afraid this is what's probably happened.

No way of knowing, but I would not suspect this supposition if the individual here were younger.

[mwmisses4289]

34. rwnj media are claiming home invasion gone bad

because that means they can blame "illegals". It is a bare possibility it could have been that, but often in such cases the perp/s leave the dead person in their home. The couple of cases I heard about where they didn't they dumped the persons body within a few miles of the house (basically, tried to get rid of the body asap).

Sadly, I suspect Mrs. Guthrie was murdered within hours of being taken. Where her body has been dumped is the mystery.

[gab13by13]

35. Something else the sheriff said that caught me attention,

He said the perp wanted the door camera to film him, he wanted to be seen.

What possible reason would a kidnapper want to be seen? I can think of one, the FBI had a stooge, most likely an undocumented immigrant, who fit the description of the real perp.

They plant the DNA and get an arrest and then Krasnov goes on national TV asking for more money for ICE.

One problem, an honest sheriff got to the crime scene first.

[Katinfl]

37. That's what I have been thinking all along. Could not quite put it into words though. Thanks.

[Wicked Blue]

43. I posted last week that the perp in the photos looked to me like an Icehole nt

[BidenRocks]

42. All we're missing here is

Nancy Grace.
She would get to the bottom of this case!

[Brunett43]

44. She's gone.

I have a feeling she is no longer of this world. It's been too long and there's been no proof of life.

[poli-junkie]

46. This crime reminds me of

the gunning down of 2 DC National guardsmen by a former CIA OPERATIVE from Afghanistan. Speculation of the Taliban, at the behest of the Trump cabal, forcing the Afghani to gun them down or else his family back home would be killed by the Taliban.

Nancy Guthrie’s Ring camera showed a bearded suspect with dark wide set almond eyes. Another Afghani forced to do a kidnapping on behest of the Trump/Taliban cabal?

It’s just a thought.

[underpants]

51. RW has been after the Sheriff for a while - he distrust the FBI & it's got MAGA written all over it

Now that’s he mentioning revenge that makes even more sense. Savannah is “left wing media” and she really took Trump apart to his face in 2016.

[malaise]

53. All I know is that the first person to interview the Epstein et al victims

was Savannah Guthrie July 10 2019.
Epstein’s was dead August 10 2019

How neat

That is all

[Roy Rolling]

58. I have been sold

I now believe murder has been committed in the MAGAt King’s media castle. Kidnapping is a step down for these ruthless criminal misfits. Epstein, Ivana, a lot of accidents in front of broken surveillance cameras and sleeping human watchers.

I never bought any of the lies as far back as the 1980s, now it makes sense. Especially the part about why wealthy New Yorkers thought Trump was classless.

[Evolve Dammit]

61. They have no idea yet

[yellow dahlia]

69. Yes, gab. There are tidbits that warrant more attention.

Thanks for catching the Sheriff's responses. I haven't seen them all.

I have a theory that matches up with your questions....and something the Sheriff said. But I am waiting for more data.

[Akakoji]

71. As I previously stated this is to run interference

To distract us from the multiple crimes that Trump and the GOP are committing. Every day. Where is Kash and his FBI cosplay outfit now? If the FBI were of any use at all trump would be taking credit for it. But they aren't. Trump is currently blaming Wes Moore for the sewage disaster. Wrong again. But he's a sick, demented, feeble minded narcissist whom can't stand anyone not making him the center of attention.

[iemanja]

73. Trump has no interest in Nancy Guthrie

That makes no sense. There is more than one criminal on the planet.