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Trump explaining how robots and "employing artificial things" will mean more jobs. Like starting the robots. (Original Post) highplainsdem Dec 2025 OP
He is, excuse my vernacular, OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #1
True, in any vernacular. Deuxcents Dec 2025 #4
A robot could replace him, and do a better job. Emile Dec 2025 #2
More employment for who........ or what? Norrrm Dec 2025 #3
So, what are options-- Shut down AI and become the world's Mississippi, or make the best of it. If I were not old, Silent Type Dec 2025 #5
GenAI is already turning us into.the AI slop version of Mississippi. Hundreds of billions have been highplainsdem Dec 2025 #7
I don't look for those photos and memes (sure you don't either); however AI will be huge for Silent Type Dec 2025 #8
You can't be ethical and use generative AI, because of the illegal training on stolen IP. It's like highplainsdem Dec 2025 #9
Pay the sources, would definitely support such legislation. Even now they can file lawsuits. Silent Type Dec 2025 #10
Destroy all the illegally trained AI models, and force the AI companies to start over with training data highplainsdem Dec 2025 #13
Think you should try some other applications rather than calendars, music, memes, etc. Silent Type Dec 2025 #14
Such as? And btw, I didn't use it for memes or calendars. That AI slop.above is what Sam Altman highplainsdem Dec 2025 #16
Still curious about what applications you think I should try. highplainsdem Dec 2025 #35
I use AI for things completely unrelated to this nonsense fujiyamasan Dec 2025 #11
Exactly. Although I do think DUers are sincere in their concerns, especially on people who might lose their jobs. Silent Type Dec 2025 #12
If there are shills here, they're probably shills for the AI.companies. I've used genAI enough to know highplainsdem Dec 2025 #15
I've also used AI until I realized I was spending as much time checking and correcting simple things.. haele Dec 2025 #19
Thanks for posting about this! I've run across a lot of similar horror stories about AI on Reddit highplainsdem Dec 2025 #31
Thing is, how do you know what is ethical and accurate in the Age of AI? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #20
You don't accept one post/site/source, and you use common sense. Need to do your own research if it matters. Otherwise, Silent Type Dec 2025 #21
I remember when PC's became legit in the biz/manufacturering world. I downloaded our purchasing database into Lotus 123 OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #17
You can do even more with AI, which is just Lotus, but a lot faster in similar applications. Silent Type Dec 2025 #22
If you say so. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #24
Same as "you," just another bloke with an opinion. Silent Type Dec 2025 #25
Got it! OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #27
Never heard of Lotus hallucinating. Or being trained on IP stolen from millions of people. highplainsdem Dec 2025 #32
Options? #1 Get rid of Trump or #2 We're screwed. In every way. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2025 #18
Absolutely do not want trump controlling things. But I don't want to sit AI out because we lost, either. Silent Type Dec 2025 #23
If Harris had won, genAI would still have been badly flawed tech trained on stolen IP, with too many AI highplainsdem Dec 2025 #33
His wife has already replaced him with a vibrator Johonny Dec 2025 #6
A tiny wrinkled vibrator.. agingdem Dec 2025 #26
Yep. And those fired or laid off should be grateful for their leisure time. Ping Tung Dec 2025 #28
I Dearly Love That Word "Explaining" There. He's Probably Not 'Splained Anything in the Way An Intelligent Human The Roux Comes First Dec 2025 #29
You're right. He was trumpsplaining. highplainsdem Dec 2025 #36
Back when I was a graduate student in 1990 Mme. Defarge Dec 2025 #30
Wha? More jobs for robots? Any chance we can get a robot POTUS for the next 3 years? Less chance of destruction. Vinca Dec 2025 #34
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
5. So, what are options-- Shut down AI and become the world's Mississippi, or make the best of it. If I were not old,
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 08:33 PM
Dec 2025

I'd darn sure be studying AI, even if not a major because it's useful in just about every endeavor.

With that said, yeah we are going to have to be ready if, in fact, millions are displaced and there are no other jobs. That didn't happen with internet or computers, despite doomsday prediction.

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
7. GenAI is already turning us into.the AI slop version of Mississippi. Hundreds of billions have been
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:16 PM
Dec 2025

wasted on hallucinating LLMs churning our fake writing and images and video and music, and scrambled summaries and inferior code, while students aren't learning, adults are being deskilled, and our information ecosystem is being degraded hour by hour.

There's been plenty of indication that LLMs are not the path AI development should be taking, but the AI companies have invested so much time and money they don't want to admit they were wrong, and they keep hoping moar data, moar infrastructure, will somehow magically conjure AGI, while they make a wreck of society and the planet.

China's cracking down on AI slop: https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/china-cracking-down-ai-slop

We're not, because con men like Sam Altman think the way to get more customers is to tell them how much fun they'll have generating AI slop like this...and the.nitwit didn't even notice that his new image generator even got the calendar wrong. As I said, dumbed down. But hey, great AI abs...

They're giving us Idiocracy. And if they're all too stupid to apply the brakes to this madness, the bubble bursting and a very cold AI winter would be a good thing.


 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
8. I don't look for those photos and memes (sure you don't either); however AI will be huge for
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:26 PM
Dec 2025

those ethical and accurate. Besides, before AI, memes and calendars were just photoshopped. Not much new.

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
9. You can't be ethical and use generative AI, because of the illegal training on stolen IP. It's like
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:35 PM
Dec 2025

profiting from slavery. You have to deaden at least part of your conscience and awareness to feel okay using it.

I've met too many people harmed by genAI to consider it acceptable.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
10. Pay the sources, would definitely support such legislation. Even now they can file lawsuits.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:38 PM
Dec 2025

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
13. Destroy all the illegally trained AI models, and force the AI companies to start over with training data
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:50 PM
Dec 2025

consisting only of what's in the public domain and what they have obtained advance permission to use.

Of course the AI companies have already admitted that wouldn't be enough, and they couldn't afford to pay for enough.

Most of the value of genAI is the stolen intellectual property. Greatest theft of IP ever. The thieves should spend some time in prison.

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
16. Such as? And btw, I didn't use it for memes or calendars. That AI slop.above is what Sam Altman
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:15 PM
Dec 2025

generated and felt stupidly proud of, and thought would make people eager to use OpenAI's tools and pay more. That idiotic AI slop was all over X.

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
35. Still curious about what applications you think I should try.
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 09:48 AM
Dec 2025

I don't need AI to think or write for me.

I can't count on it for reliable information or any type of research, because of the error rate.

Same problem with the error rate goes for AI summaries.

Ditto for calendars. AI is known to screw up calendars and appointments/events.

I wouldn't trust a chatbot to suggest what news I should read, let alone summarize it.

I don't need to code, but if I did, I'd learn to code, rather than using AI to pretend I could.

As tempting as it might be to use AI for music or visual art, I know anything it would generate from a prompt wouldn't be my creation, any more than the Skechers I ordered yesterday were designed and cobbled together by me. You really have to be both delusional and egotistical to believe that anything AI generates for you was your work - your creativity.

I know I can't trust AI recipes, and I already have a couple of shelves of cookbooks. If I want more recipes, they're easy to find in other books or magazines, or on websites with content from humans - as long as those websites survive despite AI companies repeatedly stealing their content with the intention of offering so much of the stolen content through their AI that people - and ad dollars - stop there.

I'm not so lonely I need to talk to a machine designed to flatter people and keep them engaged. And I'm also well aware of how dangerous the flattery and manipulation can be, and how much of a waste of time it is. DIY machine sycophants were never a good idea.

I would never have AI read and answer email for me, since that's both stupid and dishonest, and can really derail communication if chatbots are being used by both people to both summarize email received and turn a short prompt for the reply into a longer letter. That can quickly turn into a game of Telephone via AI.

I really miss the loved ones I lost, but I can't think of anything that would be more disrespectful of them or stupid/delusional of me than creating or having someone create an AI simulacrum of them.

fujiyamasan

(1,695 posts)
11. I use AI for things completely unrelated to this nonsense
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:42 PM
Dec 2025

It saves me a ton of time wasted on Google searches.

Contrary to what some posters will state (who don’t even use the technology), it can be used to educate and teach and analyze data. It has improved considerably. Is it full proof? No, but I’m using it as a tool not some sort of oracle.

I’m ignoring the posters constantly harassing others about using it. It’s absurd. It appears some view this as some sort of litmus test on morality.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
12. Exactly. Although I do think DUers are sincere in their concerns, especially on people who might lose their jobs.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 09:46 PM
Dec 2025

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
15. If there are shills here, they're probably shills for the AI.companies. I've used genAI enough to know
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:08 PM
Dec 2025

it's basically fraud. Any writing, art or music it generates when I type in a prompt isn't MY work, any more than if I asked another person to do something for me. The error rate means you don't really save much time using it, unless you don't check the results.

And before there were studies showing it dumbs users down, I was hearing about that from teachers in despair over the damage AI was doing to education.

haele

(15,405 posts)
19. I've also used AI until I realized I was spending as much time checking and correcting simple things..
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:36 PM
Dec 2025

As the tool was "saving" me in compiling data and putting it in the right categories to work with.
For instance, two months ago, MS Co-Pilot and a Power BI shell almost cost my project $4.2 million dollars mishandling the final FY 28 Spend Plan data that last year I spent a day of manual inputs and another half day double-checking and putting into a trend graph to brief the resource sponsor.
It took me one week to fix, between finding missing and mis-categorized inputs from other departments and vendors, manually enter the data into last year's worksheet, importing a copy of that worksheet into the AI tool after I went through a day-long process of deleting and denying the old data and file, modeling the tool to see where I had to condense or further manipulate program specific data, further fix a copy to get the correct result, then forcing the AI to use my manual file copy upload.
And I still spent a day checking the Power BI file they were using to ensure when I pushed the data to my sponsor, the data would be correct.
If I had taken DRP, there would have been all sorts of shortages, because the Co-Pilot AI I'm being forced to use did not recognize unique system situations inherent to my particular program, and almost outright refused to allow me to make the formulaic and category changes I needed.
And the Systems Engineering and Program Management component of my program- oof.
AI still can't seem to figure out the difference between MBSE and basic Systems Engineering. It can tell me when there can be risk, but there's no determinative risk assessment result, even if I give it something like "schedule predecessors risk completion first, then budget risks" prompts.
I'm not doing basic home/business accounting on Quicken Books with interest accrual, depreciations, and common tax situation formulas built in.
Honestly, I can see where AI as it is now can be decent is a curated environment or as a isolated check widget for a specific function...but in my experience - it's working harder than it is smarter, and it spends too much time telling me what it thinks I want to hear than what I need to hear - which leads to inaccurate data.
It may do what you need it to do, but honestly - it really ain't there yet for a lot of critical, complex systems with multiple rapidly changing and evolving dependencies. Unfortunately, that's what the invested AI developers supporters are pushing the product as it is now to be. The path to the answer to life, the Universe, and Everything, and if you don't get on the bandwagon now, you're a primitive nobody or worse, a Luddite *....
And in the wrong program, managing economies or people's lives and livelihoods, AI can cost trillions of dollars wasted along with people's lives and futures.

Don't force me to use AI, let me use what part of it I need and can trust it to provide.

* BTW, Luddites weren't against technology per day,, what they were against was the refusal of manufacturing plant owners to pay wages compensatory to the production and massive profits the workers were making for the owners once the initial investments were paid off.

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
31. Thanks for posting about this! I've run across a lot of similar horror stories about AI on Reddit
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 08:27 AM
Dec 2025

and X the last couple of years (not so much on Bluesky, because a higher percentage of people there seem to be anti-AI).

Anyway, stories like yours are one of the reasons the Trump regime's use of AI has seemed especially worrisome. Even if they were well-intentioned and competent, AI could easily make a mess of every agency. But they're neither. They're lazy, too. Disastrous, when using AI.

And their attitude toward AI makes it very likely they'll be much more tolerant of (or oblivious to) errors/hallucinations in weapons systems using AI, which is a separate nightmare.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
21. You don't accept one post/site/source, and you use common sense. Need to do your own research if it matters. Otherwise,
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:23 PM
Dec 2025

it's just another opinion.

Now, when they put Obama's photo on some white wing post, that should be illegal. And I suspect, Obama or anyone else has reason for a lawsuit when they do.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,159 posts)
17. I remember when PC's became legit in the biz/manufacturering world. I downloaded our purchasing database into Lotus 123
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:28 PM
Dec 2025

much to the angst of the IBM data-keepers. We did a lot of great things with that $50MM purchasing database.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
22. You can do even more with AI, which is just Lotus, but a lot faster in similar applications.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:25 PM
Dec 2025

OAITW r.2.0

(32,159 posts)
18. Options? #1 Get rid of Trump or #2 We're screwed. In every way.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 10:33 PM
Dec 2025

Do we want Trump minions controlling AI?

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
23. Absolutely do not want trump controlling things. But I don't want to sit AI out because we lost, either.
Mon Dec 22, 2025, 11:26 PM
Dec 2025

highplainsdem

(62,167 posts)
33. If Harris had won, genAI would still have been badly flawed tech trained on stolen IP, with too many AI
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 08:41 AM
Dec 2025

companies headed by unethical, dishonest people who don't care about democracy and other liberal values.

A Democratic win wouldn't have made the con artists behind crypto good guys, either.

The Roux Comes First

(2,278 posts)
29. I Dearly Love That Word "Explaining" There. He's Probably Not 'Splained Anything in the Way An Intelligent Human
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 12:37 AM
Dec 2025

Understands the concept since he tried to explain why his first-grade papers were identical to those of his desk-mate.

There are numerous tree stumps, especially those with attached mycelial networks, that have far more cerebral capability than he does.

Mme. Defarge

(9,022 posts)
30. Back when I was a graduate student in 1990
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 02:01 AM
Dec 2025

I had to write a paper on what the future might have in store for businesses and workers. The topic i chose was robotics. In conclusion I wrote that the future of work was robots making robots in lightless factories.

Vinca

(53,994 posts)
34. Wha? More jobs for robots? Any chance we can get a robot POTUS for the next 3 years? Less chance of destruction.
Tue Dec 23, 2025, 08:43 AM
Dec 2025
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