oh COME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Takket]

Burgum: "Today we're sending notifications to the 5 large offshore wind projects that are under construction that their leases will be suspended due to national security concerns ... the Dept of War has come back conclusively that these large offshore wind programs create radar interference"

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-12-22T13:58:18.552Z

FFS.............. we have an entire government now literally just making shit up...........

[dalton99a]

1. Wind farms are known to interfere with Trump's hair in the White House

[MustLoveBeagles]

2. Good one

[Bengus81]

37. Hell...the damn things had to be responsible for Limbaugh dying

[canetoad]

47. Have they been known

To interfere with the profits of oil companies too?

[Permanut]

52. Bingo.

[BattleRow]

79. Is that why it always looked windswept?

[RussBLib]

3. Making shit up

...and fucking shit up. What a cast of misfits, grifters, and know-nothings, not to mention foreign agents mangling as much of America as possible.

Merry Christmas seems rather out of place these days. Hard to be "Merry" when this nation is being torn apart.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

[gilligan]

49. Ain't that the truth

[BOSSHOG]

4. Ruination of the economy

By people who voted for republicans. Trump should be in jail. John roberts has no integrity. People who voted for trump will not take responsibility for their actions. Trump is free and John roberts could not possibly care less.

[surfered]

5. Well, Ear Cancer has just been cured.

[John1956PA]

6. Next, the thugs will attack land-based wind farms and solar arrays, all in a nod to the fossil fuel industry.

[dalton99a]

7. +1. They're jacking up electric bills

[mahina]

43. In blue states. Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Virginia, Connecticut, New York.

[kimbutgar]

19. They better not touch Palm springs most of the electricity is generated by wind farms

[OMGWTF]

27. It's a beautiful thing too. Hello from the Twin Palms neighborhood!

[kimbutgar]

36. I love Palm Springs whenever we drive from the SF Bay Area to Arizona to visit my mother in law we stay overnight

In Palm Springs. We’re going to Arizona again at the end of January and plan to spend two nights there and really enjoy the area more. And hope to take the tram!

[Attilatheblond]

53. If you get to take the tram up the mountain, be careful at the bar

My brother & his best friend, both only occasional beer drinkers, hiked around a bit, then each had a beer. Got seriously looped in record time at that altitude.

[kimbutgar]

77. I'll have my son with me so I won't be drinking !

But thanks for the heads up!

[sop]

33. That billion dollar "contribution" Trump demanded from the extractive energy interests requires a lot of quid pro quo.

[ShazzieB]

64. Yeah, i don't know why the Orange Hellbeast would leave the land based wind farms alone.

It might be a little harder to gin up an excuse to go after those, but I'm sure his goons will find a way.

[progressoid]

69. A 60 turbine farm was just nixed here.

They don't say why, but it is implied that the knuckle-draggers convinced MidAmerican to shut it down.

https://www.radioiowa.com/2025/12/18/midamerican-scraps-plan-for-northwest-iowa-wind-farm/

MidAmerican’s proposed Siouxland Wind Farm would have had about 60 wind turbines. At times, crowds of over 100 people had attended Woodbury County supervisors meetings to express their opposition to the project. “Thank you to all our citizens for their support and just their feedback regarding that project over the years,” Bittinger said. “That’s just a good win for the county.”

Woodbury County Supervisor Mark Nelson said the intense public debate about the project turned out to be a positive. “Although they were trying to stop something, it was very uniting and I heard from a lot of people that they didn’t know that their neighbors or the guy down the road or that this person over here cared so much about the future of the county,” Nelson said. “And it has made a lot of friendships of people that have otherwise would have never met, or had a conversation about the future of Woodbury County.”

MidAmerican unveiled plans for the wind farm in late 2021 and began acquiring easements in early 2022. Some landowners have already received annual payments for those easements and a MidAmerican spokesman says they’ll be able to keep that money. MidAmerican owns and operates more wind energy than any other investor-owned utility in the nation. The company says it considers a number of factors when deciding whether the continue projects, including acceptance from the community and increases in costs.

[John1956PA]

70. Thank you for posting. To me, a sixty-turbin wind facility would seem mammoth.

[womanofthehills]

73. Actually- it's small

Sun-Zia wind farm in NM which should be completed in 2026 has over 900 wind turbines. When finished, it will be the largest wind farm in US with 3.5 GW.

Unfortunately- I have some Western Spirit Wind Farm 90 ft tall wind transmission lines on the lower end of my property. That wind farm has 377 turbines.

[progressoid]

78. These aren't as tall as the off-shore turbines

But they are still impressive. I did a little work on a 265 turbine "farm" about a decade ago.

Iowa has over 6000 turbines which produces about two thirds of our electricity.

I knew someone in a rural IA town whose municipal electricity was owned by the citizens of the town (SOCIALISM!) . The wind turbines around them produce more electricity than can use so they sell the excess to the grid. Their elec bills are very low. When people's gas furnaces need to be replaced, they use electric ones.

[Martin68]

8. The Crackpot-in-Chief has a phobia. He's afraid of wind-generated energy. All the sheeple in MAGA are bleating and

going along with every insane policy Dump enforces.

[KS Toronado]

11. Could it be the fossil fuel industry doesn't want wind-generated energy?

And dumpie goes along because they're paying him under the table?

[WestMichRad]

26. Paying him under the table? Nope.

Fossil fuel execs openly bought him with a $1 billion campaign “donation” in ‘24.

[Bev54]

41. He is afraid of the oil executives closing their wallets to him.

[KS Toronado]

9. Bet they have no proof from scientists to back up their claim!

[Volaris]

22. Scientists lol? I bet they dont even have good data from their own navy radar operators.

[Bev54]

42. They don't believe in science. RFK jr will make any statement they need.

[littlemissmartypants]

10. Psychopaths live for chaos and the creation of chaos.

No one should be surprised by their shenanigans at this point.

"It’s a criminal enterprise."
~Malcolm Nance

Characteristics of Psychopaths

1. Aggressive, callous, and cunning
2. Complete absence of conscience and empathy
3. Very adept at manipulating others
4. Willingness to engage in immoral, criminal conduct
5. Willingness to take what they want and do as they please, regardless of who is hurt or wronged
6. Deceptive ability to appear outwardly benevolent
7. Deceptive ability to behave in superficially charming ways to hide purely selfish motives
8. Willingness to use intimidation and violence to control others in order to satisfy their own needs
9. Willingness to intentionally violate the basic inherent human rights of others
10. Complete absence of any sense of guilt or remorse for the harm their actions have caused to others
11. Rationalization of their own immoral behavior
12. Will attempt to lay blame upon someone else for their own conduct
13. Denial, will deny their own wrongdoing outright
14. Utter contemptuousness toward the feelings and desires of their fellow beings
15. Pathological lying, will say anything without any concern for truth to advance their own hidden agendas
16. Ablity to feign [fake] normal human emotions and empathy
17. Distorted sense of the consequences of their actions
18. Total failure to accept any responsibility for their own socially irresponsible ways
19. Strong bellef that they will never be brought to justice for their criminal behavior

[Zelda_Orchid]

12. But ... let me guess ... offshore oil platforms don't cause interference?

[Disaffected]

14. Correct. And neither do the myriad of

large commercial vessels (whose numbers far outweigh off-shore windturbs).

[odins folly]

48. Exactly!!!!!

[odins folly]

13. As a former military radar operator

I can unequivocally say they are full of shit.

I was at a radar station on the NC coast. We did not have any interference with anything at or slightly above ground level once you got about half a mile out.

[dumbcat]

40. Did you work ...

conventional radar, or OTH ABM system radars? Big difference.

Decades ago I used to evaluate the efficacy and effectiveness of Over the Horizon radars. They could definitely be affected by wind turbines.

Currently, AI sez:

Can off shore wind turbines affect over the horizon radars?

Yes — offshore wind turbines can affect over-the-horizon (OTH) radars, and this is a well-recognized technical and national-security issue. The effects depend on the radar type, operating frequency, turbine layout, and distance.

[mahina]

44. Ai also makes stuff up regularly.

[odins folly]

51. At that time it was a conventional radar

Actually 2: one search the other was a height finder. If I remember correctly the OTH that the USAF played with in the 80’s and early 90’s was ionosphere bouncing vs. ground propagation.
As for ABM, those radars look straight out from the fan to detect an incoming missile as it crests the horizon. I worked ABM in Thule.

Also, when an object does not move, and the item you are looking for is moving, it becomes easy to detect. If our NATSEC radars are not affected by oil platforms they wouldn’t be affected by wind towers.

[Disaffected]

55. Could it be the movement of the blades

that causes an issue? OTOH, the blades are typically composed of fibreglass which might not reflect radar waves(?).

It sounds like BS but it is not inconceivable IMO that some types of radar might be affected.

[odins folly]

56. If that were the case

Then every single prop driven aircraft would be stealth. No the rotation of the blade does not affect radar.

Things to keep in mind, radar waves are frequencies that travel at about the speed of light, I believe it was around 186,000 miles per second. The bases of either an aircraft or was wind power blade travel significantly slower so the waves of the radar go between the blades.

This is an oversimplified explanation.

[Disaffected]

60. I don't understand either of those claims.

"If that were the case, every prop driven aircraft would be stealth"?? I am saying that the movement of the blades may interfere/react with the radar so how does that translate into prop driven aircraft becoming stealthy? Are you saying that movement of the wind turbine blades would, if that were the case, make them "stealthy" (not visible to radar)?

And, "waves of radar go between the blades" because they travel significantly slower than radar?? Well yes, I would think that would be the case for some of the radar but why would that would that preclude some portion of it being reflected by the (moving) blades?

[odins folly]

63. What I was saying

Was that the blades do not affect radar waves at all.

But don’t take my word for it. Although the AI stated above says it could, research something besides AI.

Cheers

[dumbcat]

65. A little more detail .....

.... from ChatGPT. I know a lot of people don't like or trust AI, including me in some areas, but I have found ChatGPT to be pretty accurate in RF and propagation areas.

Why OTH radars are sensitive

Over-the-horizon radars work very differently from conventional radars:
They operate in the high-frequency (HF) band (roughly 3–30 MHz).
They rely on surface-wave propagation along the ocean or ionospheric reflection to see hundreds or thousands of miles beyond line of sight.
They detect very weak Doppler signals from distant aircraft, ships, or missiles.
Because of this, they are unusually sensitive to large conductive objects near the sea surface.

How offshore wind turbines interfere
1. Strong radar clutter
Turbine towers and blades are excellent HF reflectors.
Rotating blades create Doppler shifts that look like moving targets.
Large wind farms can generate persistent “false returns.”

2. Masking of real targets

Clutter from turbines can hide or degrade detection of:
Low-flying aircraft
Cruise missiles
Surface vessels
This is especially serious for early-warning and maritime surveillance radars.

3. Surface-wave disruption

OTH surface-wave radars rely on smooth ocean propagation.
Turbine foundations disturb the electromagnetic boundary conditions along the sea surface.
Dense turbine fields can reduce signal coherence.

4. Multipath and phase distortion

Turbines create unpredictable reflections that:
Distort bearing accuracy
Reduce tracking reliability
Increase false alarms

[odins folly]

72. Something missing is the operator

If a radar system doesn’t have a human, then by all means it could cause interference. When I worked with BWMEWS we had to block moon rise because the computer would register it as a large scale missed launch with an endpoint within the CONUS.

Same principle..

The other thing it doesn’t mention is range. OTH systems detect between 500 and 2,000 miles from the array. I looked up the projects that are impacted and the furthest from shore is around 30 miles.

I don’t want to argue about my real life experience and some artificial intelligence answers.

Cheers,

[CTyankee]

15. ALLUVA, sudden????

[GiqueCee]

16. The stupid...

... it BURNS!

[evemac]

17. Complete malarkey nt

[Figarosmom]

18. I wish him gone

He's our biggest threat to national security.

[debsy]

20. Orsted, the company doing the northeast offshore wind project, is headquartered in...

… wait for it…

Denmark (national security risk because Greenland?)

https://orsted.com/]

I know this because I invested in their company in the early 2020’s when we were living in New London, CT. Things were going well under President Joe Biden then. The picture on the front page of the NYT today is looking north, up the Thames river in New London, at the turning Oates that are sitting dormant because of the asshole in chief:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/22/climate/trump-offshore-wind-farms.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share]

I think he is going to declare war on Denmark. These people are so far out of control…

[littlemissmartypants]

28. He's definitely going to declare war on Denmark....

Immediately after Gaza is rebuilt and Venezuela has a new government.

[Disaffected]

61. That pretty much clinches it IMO.

Trump is pissed at Denmark for not handing over Greenland as well as his nutso obsession with wind turbines.

[womanofthehills]

74. I read that is one of 5 companies

Each have invested many billions. I think the Denmark one is already mostly online supplying over 400,000 families

[Ping Tung]

21. Terrorist wind-mills right on our shore EEEk!

[Initech]

23. Can we please get rid of the screaming toddlers and put the adults back in charge?

[littlemissmartypants]

29. "It's a criminal enterprise." Malcolm Nance

[LudwigPastorius]

24. Don "Quixote" Trump

…tilting at windmills.

What an absolute lunatic.

[liberalgunwilltravel]

25. OK

But since there is no Department of War, their conclusions can be ignored.

[bagimin]

30. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world

https://nedzero.nl/en/news/7-countries-with-100-renewable-electricity

[gay texan]

31. Bullshit.

If *anything* they may produce ground clutter.

I fucking work in the biz

[Seinan Sensei]

32. There's something about that Burgum fella

He just ain’t right

[rurallib]

34. So let's see the evidence!

ETA: what about all the towers in the middle of the country? Don't they cause interference?

[Bengus81]

35. So now radar can't work with air moving?

Funny,it works just fine in a commercial aircraft doing 450 knots.

[Cherokee100]

38. Big Oil

I bet Big Oil, is laughing all the way, to the bank. As former a radar operator/'tech' in the military, let's just say that is a large load, of 'bull feces'.

[Bengus81]

39. EPSTEIN FILES EPSTEIN FILES EPSTEIN FILES

[orangecrush]

45. This country is a laughingstock

[ToxMarz]

46. I would imagine large tacky ballrooms also create radar interference

and nausea!

[Warpy]

50. That fat pig canceled leases by fiat because he don't like windmills?

Damn, let the lawsuits begin!

Hey, Tubby, what if the next guy doesn't like coal fired power plants? Or golf courses? Your ox can be gored, too

[MiHale]

54. When this administration crashes...

The reverberations will be felt worldwide. Alongside all the cheering it may well shake up plate tectonics.

[IbogaProject]

57. This is a type of "taking"

Which is prohibited by tge constution. Even if no new leases are given, and unused ones revoked, these should continue as the capital has been comitted. Yes if there are serious and studies of actual risks then a shutdown might be warrented, but this is an excuse papered onto an agenda.

[Vinca]

58. Did the Department of War come to this conclusion when it was half in the bag or all in the bag?

[Rcanouse]

59. All oil rigs

in the Gulf of "America" should be shut down for the same reason

[spanone]

62. trmp is in the Venezuela Oil Business...want's No Competition.

He's insane.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

66. And of course it was all Biden's fault!!!!!!!

[Samael13]

67. Not surprising

The bastards been pissed at wind since Scotland told him what to go do with himself

[YoshidaYui]

68. Trump hates windmills and wants them Gone!

Anything to get dirty coal again and freely pollute the air! Maybe more people will die at his hands , he doesn’t care!

[calimary]

71. "... unwinds damage done by Biden's green agenda"???

A green agenda is a bad thing???

Trying to save and protect our planet is a bad thing???

Maybe it’s just that trump is the one who’s green. Green with ENVY.

[Progressive dog]

75. They "interfere" with radar

exactly as other radar reflectors do.
Since the windmills are in fixed locations, they will not be seen as moving objects. They are not high enough or solid enough for boats and planes to hide behind. This is obvious BS put out by some of the stupidest people to have ever lived.

[Johonny]

76. Hope our power grid isnt being taxed by new technology

Or something...

Trump clueless as to our real threats.