Psychologist: THREE Cognitive Tests means you're monitoring dementia, not assessing it

[Miles Archer]

Trump’s boasts about passing cognitive tests suggest he’s being monitored for the progression of dementia, one psychologist says.

Dr. John Gartner told The Daily Beast Podcast that the 79-year-old president’s claim to have “aced” three Montreal Cognitive Assessments could be more than simple routine screenings for the degenerative disease.

“You know, he kind of gave the game away again, as he often does,” Gartner, a former professor at Johns Hopkins, told co-host Joanna Coles about Trump claiming to have passed a test in front of “large numbers of doctors and experts, most of whom I do not know.”

“You could maybe justify giving someone the MoCA once, just on their age, just as part of a physical. If you’re giving it to him three times, that means you’re not assessing dementia. That means you’re monitoring dementia,” Gartner said.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-mental-decline-is-accelerating-psychologist/

[dem4decades]

1. So we really need cognitive tests to monitor his dementia?

[Rocknation]

8. Yes -- especially if he's taking medication for it

which can have the possible side effects of your brain swelling or bleeding.

P.S. Two dementia medications in particular are administered intravenously, which might explain the bruising on that back of his hands.

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Rocknation

[dem4decades]

16. I meant his cognitive decline is in plain sight.

[marble falls]

29. We may recognize it, but prodessionals need to monitor for the reasons OP mentions.

[dem4decades]

34. Why bother, they never say anything. Trump's 6'4" , 239 pounds, his doctor said so.

[dsc]

11. Yes meds might need adjusting or outright changing

[bucolic_frolic]

2. Also he thinks it's something to brag about

Alarming in itself

[iluvtennis]

12. Because he claims they are IQ tests. What an imbecile. n/t

[allegorical oracle]

13. Doubt he knows what the word cognitive means. He evidently just learned what the

word "sycophant" means, but he mispronounced it as SYNCophants".

[Niagara]

24. I suspect that his handlers have to tell him these cognitive tests are IQ tests to get him to perform them

I'm banking they tell him what a great job he did, how smart he is and then he repeats what they tell him.


If his handlers didn't lie to him he most likely wouldn't perform these tests since he's defiant and has a terrible temperament.


It's similar to having a young child and getting them to complete tasks and to insure they behave themselves.

[marble falls]

30. My first thought after reading the OP.

[iluvtennis]

36. Yep. n/t

[markodochartaigh]

3. Tangential to the article and completely anecdotal,

my sister mentioned having been given the MoCA by a nurse's aide while waiting for her primary care physician. Although she is 66 there was no other clinical indication for the test. The practice has recently adopted a more efficient model and requires patients to be in the room thirty minutes before the appointment or the appointment is rescheduled. This is in Amarillo and I wonder if the MoCA is being done so that patients can say that they got the same test as Trump.

[Phoenix61]

9. It's being done so they can bill for it.🤬

[markodochartaigh]

21. I'm wondering, since it was done by the nurse aide,

if they can bill for it. My sister's primary care physician is a personal friend, but the practice has undergone a transition towards improved profitability.

[Phoenix61]

22. Administered by the nurse by the results were assessed

by the doctor. Not saying that’s what happened but…

[markodochartaigh]

23. Well, it was the nurse aide who administered the test.

My sister is a nurse practitioner, so she is well able to identify a nurse aide.

[markodochartaigh]

26. I didn't mean my previous comment to be snappy.

I'm a registered nurse and I vividly remember a doctor giving detailed orders on a critically ill patient to a nurse aide who had only the most rudimentary English fluency. Fortunately I was listening to the whole episode. It is a valid point to observe that sometimes health care workers may not be properly identified by patients or others.

[Phoenix61]

37. No doubt, I'm an LCSW but get called Doctor on

occasion. When that happens I do some education on the difference between a psychiatrist, a psychologist, and an LCSW.

[marble falls]

31. Every piece of evidence is anecdotal by itself. There's nothing inherently wrong with anecdote. You asked a ...

... a good question based on your anecdote!

[usonian]

4. Hw couldn't pass the DU membership qualifying exam. 😎

You know what he passed?



This.

After three hours.

With a hammer.

[Rocknation]

5. MONITORING dementia means you HAVE dementia

Having dementia while a U.S. president means that you've GOT to go, and IMMEDIATELY. And CONCEALING that you have dementia because you're a U.S. president who wants to CONTINUE to be a U.S. President means that you've got to go DIRECTLY TO JAIL.


Rocknation

[lame54]

6. Trumps the most cognitive person ever...

His cognivity is tremendous

[marble falls]

32. It's yuge!

[ananda]

7. Yes, I've had it as part of a physical.

It was no problem, though I know I have some
cognitive decline due to age.

[eppur_se_muova]

10. I have no medical training whatever, but even I can understand that. My post ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3586073

[Cheezoholic]

14. Isn't this test the same one all of us on Medicare take once a year during our wellness exam?

Wonder what his clock looks like lol

[Katinfl]

15. I had the doctor's aide ask me to draw a clock and remember a few words at my last wellness appt.

First time ever. So you say it is now part of a Medicare thing? I am 78.

[Cheezoholic]

19. It was on mine recently. I am 63 and considered disabled. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Its why I asked. I was surprised as it was my first one. And when asked to draw the clock I was surprised as I put 1 at the top then just before I put 2 I paused and put the 2 next to the 1 lol. Little slippage there but I hadn't drawn a clock in maybe 50 years lol.

[Katinfl]

25. I put the 12 at the top then did 3, 6, 9 and filled in the rest. Easy.

Then she had me do the time 10:50. I looked at my watch because I did not remember which was the minute hand, etc. Of course I can tell time, but when was the last time you had to draw a picture of one? I cheated and looked at my wristwatch , lol. Next time I will remember.

[spooky3]

28. With digital clocks and watches being standard today, this test

IMHO has a different meaning than it would have had 10+ years ago.

[marble falls]

33. They asked me to put in the sweep hand and locked me up when I put a broom on my clock face!

[malaise]

17. Just effin croak

I am exhausted

[marble falls]

35. It takes effort to not wish death on this one individual. I have to fight with it every day. I do want him in prison. ..

... Real prison, like they did to Bernie Madoff, the Enron crooks, and John Gotti.

[TNNurse]

18. That was generous

There are so many other things that apply.

[relayerbob]

20. His repeatedly telling us about them...

Suggests he has failed them all

[marble falls]

27. I wondered why there were so many "tests".