I seriously believe that the tech bros have done something via AI that put TSF in office and which keeps

[Sogo]

any support whatsoever going for TSF. They're manipulating data, info, and they've got his ear in a way that makes him feel "smart." He's flattered by their attention, when all they want is unfettered freedom to do whatever they want, which seems to be to take over the world with their fantasies. They're a bunch of sickos. (I say this after watching that video about Altman that is/was posted on the home page.)

[ALBliberal]

1. And yet they can't quite contain the crazy

Renaming of Kennedy Center for instance.
But I do agree.

[Botany]

2. You are 100% right.

Peter Tiel and Palantir played a big roll in stealing the election from Harris with Palantir’s
“Digital Janitor” clean up program that did not flip or delete Harris votes but hid that is
just what happened. Harris won end of story.

[Silent Type]

4. Election denier? Hope we don't run on that theory in midterms.

[ForgedCrank]

6. Sometimes I

want to just keep scrolling and pretend I didn't see some of this stuff. It's a little cringy

[Botany]

7. Your concern is noted.

[slightlv]

11. Not quite the end of the story, Botany...

from what I've read about Pennsylvania, they show evidence of tampering and changing of votes (en masse) via Musk's Starlink satellites. There's even something I can't quite get my head around, even tho I've been 40 years in the IT business... they've shown fraud via illegal programming of *power cords.* These are just two of the results that have stuck in my head from their investigation. And they're not done yet. They want to replicate what they've done in Pennsyl through all the "swing" states. Frankly, I think it ought to be done on a state by state basis... but they think they can get enough data just from the swings to show cheating, fraud, and a unjustly seated administration. They've also shown the constitution has a remedy for unseating a falsely seated admin, even long after it was seated. This is something that wasn't pursued when trump cheated Hillary. It is being pursued now. Problem is, our MSM isn't going to report on any of this, and some of it is being kept under wraps for now... and away from the jury rigging GOP. It does have the opportunity of completely destroying our election process. Magas thought it was dems cheating and killing the process. But, just like their pedophile fears, the monster seems to be in their own party. And they just can't handle that.

[Botany]

17. Trump and the republican's power is based on fraud.

The MAGA movement is much much smaller than it is really is and based on the creation of a
huge phony swarm of support that only exist via foreign social media sites and not domestic
ones and that election was riddled with cheating from top to bottom. Sophisticated cheating
no doubt but cheating non the less. Always remember that Trump said on more than one occasion
“I don’t need any more votes.” Among the many attacks on our democratic elections the placing of
firmware patches on E.S.&S. and Dominion Voting Systems that were in communication with Musk’s Starlink via D.T.C. … direct to cell … that allowed the interference in the correct tabulation of votes.
Other methods were also used too.

Time after time after time every glitch, anomaly, hanging chad, removal of a voter from voting and
or having his or her vote counted went to the republicans. Statistically it denies credibility.

[slightlv]

20. I'd rec you a 1000x for this, if I could Botany.

I don't think it's just you and me, but I'm with you 100%. The bots they traced were in the news not too long ago. How many multiple thousands did they kick off? 40-60k? And we know the sophisticated bot network that was in play during the elections. Rump gave the go-ahead to Putin in 2015 just as surely as he did the Proud Boys when he told them to "stand by"... both at his command.

I tend automatically away from authoritarians... but I don't think I've ever wanted to see someone taken down a peg or two as badly as I want to have it happen to trump. All the dirty tricks they've played on us; all the lies, the cheating, and then laughing in our faces at the miserable outcomes for us just hits a button in me that's flashing Red at all times, it seems. I bite my tongue when I have to; other times, I've not been so charitable... especially in open spaces like grocery stores (gryn).

BTW... you mention the ES&S and Dominion machines... I'd still like to have a complete investigation done on that server that was directly connected to Russia from trump's business in 2015... remember that one? The one that was on all the time? Sending "business info" back and forth. Yeah, right. I'm too cynical these days to believe anything vague like that.

[Botany]

21. Google Storm 15-16

They are the current day form of Russia’s Internet Research Agency and misinformation is the
coin of the realm for them. I will guarantee you that if you could you could trace back almost
all of Musk’s sponsored foreign based MAGA electronically produced internet MAGA chatter
much of which is on X might very well be traced back to Russia and Putin and Musk are really good buddies.

The whole thing is kabuki. Starting with the creation out of whole cloth from MAGA’s support to
Trump’s Amazing Election win.

[usonian]

3. They bought and fixed and election and want return on investment.

Two things.
1.



2. When Trump kicks it, the Crypto Bro Troika will control currency, and hence Wall Street and the world.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=20543966

[slightlv]

13. But isn't it strange that what YOU want and see as "freedom"...

for example, complete freedom of travel without being surveilled... and freedom to smoke, drink, shoot, or eat any damn thing you want... these types of things are always "not in the same category" as what they think freedom should be. Meanwhile, they buy tons of coke and party like there's no tomorrow. We poor saps are stuck with whatever we can legally or illegally get to sooth our pain and anxieties.

I think most people play around with libertarianism in their teenage years. It sounds good to a non-developed teenage brain. By the time you're in your 20's, tho, your brain should have developed enough to realize Freedom isn't free, and someone's freedom is usually at the expense of someone else's pain. I believe it's the late 20's or early 30's before the brain is finally done developing; someone can correct me if I'm remembering incorrectly... it's been a long time since college! (LOL)

[usonian]

18. Wilhoit's Law

Frank Wilhoit: “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”


---

Freedom for ME, not for thee. Privilege.

[slightlv]

19. I've read that statement before, but had no idea where it came from

or who said it. Thanks for the annotation!

The Freedom for ME, not for thee. Privilege. Sure hits home, doesn't it? (sigh)

I will say I feel "in my bones" that change is coming. Exactly how, I don't know. But my whole body feels antsy... like it does when you know a huge weather front is about to hit because your knee is creaking painfully. There are a lot of dots out there, and they're not being connected at the moment. People leaving the administration; people whistleblowing on trump, even for the most petty of crap; words and actions that prior to this wouldn't get a 1st mention in a media article, let alone a 2nd, are now being talked about more and more. Indexes that show how unliveable it is in the United States are too "in your face" to disregard or pass off. Everything from food to housing to gasoline to child care. There's not one index that's actually affordable to the average American. And people are feeling this and reacting to it. They're also putting their anger and rage and frustration out into the air with their words and actions. The time is right for something to drop on us, IMO.

[usonian]

23. Attribution

https://kottke.org/21/02/conservatism-and-who-the-law-protects

I always include one except this time, of course.

My feelings are often right, but somewhat detarched from time. One boss bet against my football picks, and missed me when I left, only for that reason.

[ForgedCrank]

5. Sounds a lot

like something Alex Jones was saying a few years back.
I can't believe we are entertaining this sort of baloney

[Celerity]

8. Hard pass on more election denialism CT, sorry. You are attacking the Biden administration and the Harris campaign, plus

thousands of other Democrats (including elected statewide officials) involved in the election, as the claims of a stolen, rigged election mean either they were too ignorant to see it and too powerless to stop it (despite a truly massive amount of resources at hand), OR they were in on the rigging themselves.

Big de rec.

[Cheezoholic]

9. Agree. This stuff needs to stop. It does nothing but motivate people to disenfranchise themselves into thinking

the system is broken and/or rigged so why participate which is EXACTLY what repukes have been trying to pull off for 50 years. This and huge sums of LEGAL money in our elections are whats causing 90 million people to not participate. THAT'S the 90 million reasons we lost in '24 full stop, apathy.

[slightlv]

14. No... I disagree... I hate CT... but I think

where there is evidence and data points, it's NOT CT. It's people of all parties trying to get to the truth of the matter. Yes... the GOP screamed "CHEAT" and "LIAR" and "CT" long enough and hard enough that people got tired of hearing it. It doesn't mean it didn't happen. And I, for one, am not going to turn those away who are working diligently to uncover the truth. Problem is, the MSM won't cover it... most of what I've read has come from the BBC or German news. It sure as hell isn't going to be published by the NYT or Wash Post any more. trump has them too scared to say "boo". But it does show other countries ARE keeping track of what's happening here in the United States, even behind the scenes, and reporting on it. When the truth comes out, I think a lot of people are going to be shocked and surprised at the extent to which the elections (especially 2024) were bought... and stolen.

The one bad thing to come out of it all, IMO, is that NO ONE will trust elections any longer. That means our entire electoral system is going to have to be revamped; and even then, you'll never gain everyone's trust once again.

Just because the magas have made something sound like CT because they've played victim for so long... don't discount that cheating does and has happened. The larger the prize, the more risks they're willing to take. And I think trump, at his advanced age, was seen as the last chance the old PNAC (now P2025) had of getting their demands instituted as formal government in the United States. They'd been working on this since long before Reagan, and they weren't about to call it quits. Instead, they found a "charismatic" charlatan to prop up and are working to completely dismantle the government so they can rebuild it in their image... a completely laissez faire capitalistic society where human beings are simply one more asset in the conveyor belt of tools -- to use up, throw away, and grab the next youngest. If you'd asked me when I was in my early 20's if THIS was a CT, I'd have unequivocally said "absolutely" but I'd been wrong. We've all had the capability to go back and read the PNAC pages, and they audaciously published their game in the P2025 document. And we STILL can't believe they're going to do everything they have listed, although I think last I read, they've already instituted about 60% of it.

The investigations I know of are being done forensically on 2024... but I'd really like someone to truly go back into 2016. Release all the reports, unredacted. There is no way Russia did not interfere with our elections. Problem is, we're doing the same damn things in South and Central America. And that always works out so well for us! /snark

[moondust]

10. Somebody should ask

some techies like Chris Krebs, who was Director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency from 2018 until TSF fired him in 2020 for not supporting his election fraud claims, if somebody like Cyber Ninjas, who did an "audit" digging around in the Arizona election system, could have copied the voting machine codes and passed them on to the RW tech bros so they could spend the next 3-4 years developing, testing, and installing a hack at least in the 7 or so swing states that all unbelievably went for TSF.

[slightlv]

15. Not to mention all the voting machines that were compromised by election

"officials" like Tina Peters. Why does anyone think trump is pushing so hard to get her pardoned?! True conspiracies look like CT simply because all the same principles apply. But calling a true conspiracy to commit a crime "CT" doesn't make it false... only injecting doubt and anxiety into society because so much rests on the truth.

[LudwigPastorius]

12. Counterpoint: Occam's Razor

There are enough people in this country who are racists, who yearn for an authoritarian asshole as leader, and who get off on cruelty, to elect and keep Trump and his Nazis in power.

[slightlv]

16. There is 1/3 of the Republican voting base that consistently

votes against their own interests... votes in racist and authoritarian modes. I think one could say that's a baseline for the number of mentally damaged or genetically damaged individuals in the U.S. But 1/3 of the republican base doesn't include the other 2/3, nor does it include democrats and independents... both of whom were not likely to vote for trump.

I agree there's a lot of stupid, evil individuals out there that would love to tear everything down around everyone else's shoulders, but if we keep voting numbers UP, then these people get outvoted. It's when we let our guard down and don't vote that we see the dangerous ones come to power. I get really tired of all the GOTV stuff come election time, but I see it also as a necessary evil. If we don't GOTV, we lose. When The People vote, we win!

[JCMach1]

22. I would refer people back to Greg Palast's work on

Voter suppression in 2024.

You don't have to get to conspiracy theories when votes were killed right out in the open.