It is not simply ending birth right citizenship

[RickHworth]

It starts the ending of citizenship, selectively.

[Initech]

1. The psychopaths are trying to break up the United States.

This could be what does it.

[Irish_Dem]

14. Yes and they are doing an excellent job of it.

Taking a wrecking ball to the entire US.

[Thomas Hurt]

2. A step in creating a new peasant class...no citizenship, no rights, slavery and indenture.

[DFW]

18. The German socialists of the DDR used exactly that tactic on their own people.

If someone was politically inconvenient, but too visible to be killed outright (I’ve been to the wall where they did that, right near Putin’s former villa in Potsdam, and the bullet holes are still there), they would “cancel” that person’s citizenship, and exile them out of the country, minus their papers. Usually to West Germany, obviously. Believing the myth of their importance, they thought that taking away someone’s material worth would destroy their spiritual worth. Instead, as with famous voices like singer Wolf Biermann or actor Manfred Krug, some of the expelled artists became even more famous after they were kicked out.

[usonian]

3. If so decided, a Democratic president could revoke 6 citizenships and deport them.

Will someone tell them?

[Irish_Dem]

15. They take advantage of the fact that Dems follow rule of law and are polite.

[usonian]

22. We need a badass.

Too bad just a movie. Stars Barry Bostwick, famous as Brad in Rocky Horror.

[Irish_Dem]

23. Yes we most certain do. A badass who kicks ass.

Who is on the side of right and works for the people.

[Diraven]

4. If they win this one

You know their next step will be to make it retroactive. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the court conservatives "interpret" the "original intent" of the 14th amendment to only apply to freed slaves and no one else born to non-citizens in the US since 1868.

[Attilatheblond]

5. 4 of Trump's 5 offspring were born to women who were not citizens yet at the times of the births

Interesting situation.

[ColoringFool]

8. But He Was.

[Attilatheblond]

19. But the words say 'mothers who were not citizens at the time of the births'

Aren't there scored of offsprings of US soldiers who had to jump thur administrative hoops to even come into the US? Seems the male part of the creation doesn't officially count.

[mainer]

21. Is this correct? I haven't read it and it makes it even more outrageous

There are plenty of mixed citizen/ noncitizen marriages.

[Attilatheblond]

24. Yep and the deranged jerk in the Oval Office had 2 such marriages.

But, you know, WHITE, so it seems not to matter.

[mainer]

25. How many generations back can this be true?

A green-card mother married to a US citizen gives birth to a daughter. That daughter is now not a citizen. That daughter now gives birth to a US-born daughter. Who, due to her mother's non-citizenship, will also give birth to non-citizens. If her daughter (also a noncitizen) gives birth to a daughter -- that daughter too is a noncitizen. So where are we, four generations down the line, and all the daughters are still noncitizens?

It makes my head hurt, thinking about this.

[Jerry2144]

28. It's seems like that would be impractical

To go too many generations back. Many older records are on microfiche or older technology, not digitized and harder to search and database.

[rampartd]

26. that is how they will do it

why did your great great grandfather leave ireland to sponge off of those railroad tycoons?"

ireland was a shithole country that the "elite" had shipped all of the food out of. i guess they should have stayed there and starved?

[Norrrm]

6. Republicans say that Hitler did some good things.

Trump's perfect judge... Roland Freisler
Such a keen legal mind that he put into law that birthright citizenship of Jews could be revoked...
Start approx 1:53 on the timeline.

?t=113

[Baitball Blogger]

7. They can't logically and with good

Reason terminate a constitutional amendment that was approved by the legislative branch. That would be a a Constitutional overreach.

[TimeToGo]

9. Doesn't mean they won't

[Baitball Blogger]

10. But if they do, they will undermine their own

Credibility and authority. We know better so they will create a situation ripe for civil disobedience.

[Irish_Dem]

17. They have no credibility and don't care.

Their authority is backed by a gun pointed at everyone.

[Irish_Dem]

16. Trump and the GOP can do what they damn well please.

No one will stop them.

[KPN]

11. Exactly.

[LiberalArkie]

12. I really believe that the Supremes will end up rolling back the voter

Eligiblity to what the constitution originally said. Free white land owning male. No non-white. No renters. No women.

[LT Barclay]

13. This is what comes from not recognizing the Declaration of Independence as a legal document that can be used in court.

I am thinking specifically where it says that "We hold these truths to be SELF-EVIDENT, that ALL men are created equal and they are ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR with certain UNALIENABLE RIGHTS, and among these are LIFE, LIBERTY and the PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
Why does this make a difference? Because it means that any person who comes under the control or jurisdiction (such as the men on those boats) of the United States is entitled to full rights, the same as any citizen. That means everything contained in the Constitution.
If I remember correctly, the Constitution is already being parsed to death and even US citizens are NOT given full constitutional protections against search and seizure if they are outside of the US (not that even being he offers protection anymore) per the patriot act.

I'm sick of it. The 0.1% have gone full Thanos on us and plan to destroy us rather than share their bounty. They must be reined in.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

20. The 14th Amendment is SPECIFIC...How can the SCOTUS get it wrong?

It reads...
ALL persons born or Naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. NO state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges.

Once citizenship is assured, NO state is allowed to make a new law taking citizenship away from those born within their borders. I doubt all 50 states will enact laws, at such an expense to the residents of their state, to determine who is a citizen or not. This would take years to accomplish and a schism not seen since the 1860's.

The 14th Amendment makes NO mention on the (immigration) status of the parents. Should the Con 6 on the Supreme Court get this wrong, the United States CEASES to exist. This would be a Pandora's Box that would never be closed again.

[Uncle Joe]

27. It's a "camel's nose under the tent."

This post is also sets a record as my second camel post of the day.

Thanks for the thread RickHworth

[RickHworth]

31. You're welcome.

I appreciate your comments and peace to you and yours.

[Mysterian]

29. It begins rule by decree by the corrupt court and a madman

Will the American people allow this to happen?

[Cirsium]

30. Virtually all of us

Virtually all of us in the US are citizens by virtue of the fact that we were born in the US. That is "birthright citizenship."