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(154 posts)KS Toronado
(22,493 posts)until I see our party or politicians picking up on it, we need a poor vs rich game plan to win big in the next
2 elections IMO. And there's plenty of ways to point out how the super wealthy use their money to keep
so many others in credit card debt or unable to get ahead. FOLLOW THE MONEY !
mwmisses4289
(2,936 posts)is obviously not blessed by god, ergo they must be a sinner, and therefore god is punishining them for being sinners by making them hungry and homeless.
wiggs
(8,608 posts)pat_k
(12,609 posts)As I think about how truly Un-American the prosperity gospel is, Langston Hughes poem "Let America Be America Again" comes to mind.
This nation is all about the dreams of those who are struggling. It is about creating a place in which we can lift ourselves -- and each other -- up. The dream -- the Christian/American value -- of creating such a society needs to animate everything we do if we are to have a hope of moving this nation toward making the dream a reality.
Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.
...
I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet todayO, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.
Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."
...
O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath
America will be!
Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain
All, all the stretch of these great green states
And make America again!
DFW
(59,559 posts)Walking inside a church no more make you a Christian than walking inside a garage makes you a car.
pat_k
(12,609 posts)If this was truly a Christian nation, we would never make it a Christian nation because we know the table of fellowship is open to everybody, including our Buddhist, Hindu, Jewish, Muslim, Sikh, and atheist neighbors.
More excerpts from Talarico's profound sermon. I highly recommend taking time to listen to the whole thing.
He told us we would know them by their fruits.
Jesus includes.
Christian Nationalism excludes.
Jesus liberates.
Christian Nationalism controls.
Jesus saves.
Christian Nationalism kills.
Jesus started a universal movement based on mutual love.
Christian Nationalism is a sectarian movement based on mutual hate.
Jesus came to transform the world.
Christian Nationalism is here to maintain the status quo.
They have co-opted the Son of God. They've turned this humble rabbi into a gun-toting, gay-bashing, science-denying, money-loving, fear-mongering fascist.
. . .
The closest thing we have to the kingdom of heaven is a multiracial, multicultural democracy where power is truly shared among all people. Something that's yet to exist in human history.
. . .
When someone asked Jesus to name his most important commandment, he cheats and gives two -- two that he says are related. The first is to love God. The second, he said, "Is like it: love they neighbor as thyself." It's like it because when I recognize the divine image in myself, I can't help but recognize it in my neighbor; whether they're Christian or not, whether they're religious or not. In the Parable of the Good Samaritan, Jesus specifically defines neighbor as some different from us, racially, economically, politically, religiously. God loves diversity; God loves variety. Just look around this beautiful planet of ours.
. . .
God is so much bigger than our human categories. God is not a Presbyterian. God is not a Christian.
God it not a noun at all.
God is a verb.
God is not a being.
God is being itself.
God is love.
And that's why Jesus is against anything that gets in the way of that love between neighbors, including religion.
. . .
That's why he says sinners will get to the kingdom of heaven before religious people do. Sorry to everyone here. I know you came all this way.
. . .
The kingdom of God inverts the power dynamics of "all the kingdoms in the world."
True strength is vulnerability.
True status is equality.
True wealth is sharing.
And we as Christians are called to realize that kingdom "on earth as it is in heaven," not by force, but by faith.
Jesus asked us to have the faith of a mustard seed, trusting that by living and dying for love we give birth to a better world.
That's not easy to do.
. . .
Christian Nationalists are more committed to the love of power than the power of love.
And it exposes a lack of faith because the opposite of faith is not doubt. Doubt is a healthy part of any faith.
The opposite of faith is control. When we stop trusting God, when we stop trusting love, we start taking control for ourselves.
Christian Nationalists want to control what we read, who we marry, where we travel, when we have children. They want to control our minds and our bodies.
"O ye of little faith."
. . .
ShazzieB
(22,051 posts)I fear that any Democrat getting elected to a Senare secret in Texas is long shot, but I can't help hoping.
pat_k
(12,609 posts)Don't forget that in 2018, Beto lost to Cruz by a mere 2.6%. In 2024, Cruz only won by 8.5% -- and that was at the peak of MAGA's strength. In less than a year, the coalition that put the felon in the White House has completely collapsed.
I think Talarico is an incredibly strong candidate perfectly suited for the times. Trump is wildly unpopular. And Christian Nationalist overreach is pissing more and more people off. For example, in November a number of school board candidates swept into office by the "bathroom wars" were swept back out of office as communities saw how these crazies disrupted their schools (and people really don't like chaos and nonsense in their local schools). As a former teacher, quality education is a top issue -- and he has been hammering the Texas Christian Nationalist billionaires that are stealing money from public schools to fund Christian Nationalist private education.
There are many indicators that Democrats have gained something like 7 to 13 points, which makes Cruz's margin of 8.5 relatively slender.
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On Edit: Not to knock Colin Allred. He is a great candidate. But I think Talarico is exceptional. He has been on my radar as someone destined for the national stage since I first came across his sermon in late 2023.
SamuelTheThird
(509 posts)Maybe there's something deeply flawed in its DNA and we should judge it by its fruits
pat_k
(12,609 posts)Leaders across history have done their damnedest to twist the religion from one grounded in the power of love and spiritual values to one grounded in the love of power and political dominance. It is almost surprising that there are as many Christians who reject Christian Nationalism as there are.
