General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLet's Not Forget About Chief Justice Roberts
All of the illegal, unconstitutional shit that Krasnov is doing could not be done were it not for the John Roberts court.
The most powerful "man" on the planet was granted immunity.
To go along with his immunity he can tell people like Kegsbreath to commit illegal acts and Krasnov will simply pardon them.
This Supreme Court is still making partisan decision after partisan decision. The very first terrible decision it made for its latest session was to allow racist gerrymandering in Texas, just to keep dear leader in power.
I remember several years ago when I was conned into believing that Roberts cared about his legacy, boy was I wrong about that one.
Chief Justice John Roberts should be given credit for the destruction of our democracy. The only questions that I have now are, was he bribed, was he threatened, was he a Magat all along?
Ninga
(8,974 posts)Entire book, starting in 2000 Bush v Gore.
mdbl
(7,961 posts)Especially when Sandra Day O'Connor signed off on stopping the vote count in Floriduh without signing it. She was the swing vote and she knew it would make her look bad but she did it anyway. I wonder if she was paid off? Her legacy, or lack of it will be forever tainted.
Mister Ed
(6,763 posts)She said she felt regret for that decision, but that she had done it because she wanted to retire, and she wanted a Republican and not a Democrat to nominate her successor.
So, that was her payoff. The law be damned, the facts be damned, the Constitution be damned. She wanted to play a part in the ongoing court packing that has since continued, and has resulted in the absolute downfall of the Court.
mdbl
(7,961 posts)That's the nicest way I can describe her in public.
popsdenver
(1,297 posts)Came the ENTIRE Republican Senate, & Republican House..............as well as Republican State Governors.....
Everyone always says TRUMP this and TRUMP that.......we have to quit doing that and blame the REPUBLICAN PARTY.
THEY are the ones that installed Trump in 2016 & 2024, and have voted, in lock step, every single day, of every year.....
Blaming the REPUBLICAN PARTY, instead of just Trump, will help with down ballot voting in the future elections.
returnee
(778 posts)and every Senator (R or D) who voted for Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Coney are responsible.
popsdenver
(1,297 posts)Gorsuch's family and in particular his mother???????????? It might be in Wiki about his dear old mother's corrupt time as head of EPA or Dept of Interior????? Talk about super corrupt.....she would have had a position on Trump's Cabinet for sure......
On edit: here you go......
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/02/01/neil-gorsuchs-mother-once-ran-the-epa-it-was-a-disaster/
After a couple of years of throwing the EPA and Dept of Interior under the bus, and also making many PRO Oil and Gas decisions in those Corporations favor, she was within days of being indicted, possibly for grifting of money for those decisions, and most of her rulings?......
She immediately resigned and never got charged......(Of course it was during the Reagan years) or the HWBush years as I like to call them..........
The Gorsuch's were a major player in the Mountain Town of Vail and many businesses in that town, which were worth a bundle......
Fil1957
(453 posts)in the Brooks Brothers riots to stop the counting of votes back in 2000.
John Roberts, fighting democracy for 25 years.
Buddyzbuddy
(1,992 posts)SergeStorms
(19,853 posts)Mitch McConnell, whose interference in postponing or fast-tracking SC nominees (depending upon who was president at the time) made it entirely possible for the far-right to stack the court in their favor for life!
Ol' Mitch deserves a lot of urine on his grave as well. 😡
hay rick
(9,259 posts)If we survive Trump we can not afford to go back to the previous status quo. It allowed us to be overtaken by the current corruption. We need to move on to the next thing. Bulldozing the Roberts Court and its anti-democratic, pro-oligarchy legacy needs to be in the forefront of any credible path forward.
flashman13
(1,864 posts)in 1952 Rehnquist penned this on the subject of school desegregation:
To the argument that a majority may not deprive a minority of its constitutional right, the answer must be made that while this is sound in theory, in the long run it is the majority who will determine what the constitutional rights of the minority are [...] I realize that it is an unpopular and unhumanitarian (sic) position, for which I have been excoriated by "liberal" colleagues, but I think Plessy v. Ferguson (doctrine of separate but equal) was right and should be reaffirmed.
Under the black robe you can be sure Roberts believes in these very things.
GiqueCee
(3,150 posts)... that ALL jurists should be legally required to foreswear ANY political allegiance whatsoever, and that NO politician should have ANY say in judicial appointments. It never fails that the mixture of politics and the judiciary makes a rank stew of corruption.
Judges and justices should be selected by a panel of exemplary jurists of sterling reputation, and candidates should likewise be of unassailable character.
The level of corruption that currently pollutes and poisons the three branches of government virtually assures the collapse of representative governance in America. But it doesn't have to be that way. A judicial branch that is above reproach in the eyes of the public must be established first, so that the other two will be forced to follow. The present state of affairs is unsustainable, and we must be ready to do whatever it takes to save the Great American Experiment from the bloody talons of pathologically selfish conservatism.
The Devil is in the details, and filtering out those with malign intentions is gonna be a challenge, but it'll be worth it.
flashman13
(1,864 posts)branches of state government, they are the only ones that are non partisan. They actually make decisions based on the merits of the case. Very often they nullify Repug legislation. Of course the Repug legislature hates that and have been trying to screw with the court for the last several sessions to no avail. In 2024, although widely opposed by the Rs, the incumbents were all reelected.
I think to some extend people in general are better educated here than in most red states. I don't think this would be the case in most of the MAGAt states.
DFW
(59,561 posts)He and Alito were installed relatively near in time to each other, in my opinion, as Citizens United insurance at Cheneys insistence. The informal grilling in the Oval Office was obviously not carried out with W leading the conversation.
t
Roberts has been doing some savvy manipulation at strategic times to make himself seem like a truly conservative deeply intellectual independent thinker. Gay marriage, dont forget. But when it comes to voting rights, medical care, civil rights, gerrymandering, womens rights, Roberts has proved time again that he believes that rights are wrong.
Nasruddin
(1,159 posts)This is a bad institution, based on ... probably compromise or mistakes in writing the constitution, and scope creep that it has managed to do on its own. It should be closed as part of a complete overhaul of how we manage the judiciary in the US.
We need something else. I feel we all could agree on this - sometimes it rules in ways we like, but they are just as crazy and arbitrary at times as the rulings we don't like.
The German model is interesting but also has had some problems, so we are unlikely to find a perfect model or solution.
drray23
(8,558 posts)A professional body of jurists recommends judges for appointment, and then they are confirmed by the president. All the jurists have to have rigorous training through a school, which you can get enrolled in via a competitive process. The judiciary is completely decoupled from the executive branch and insulated from political influences. It is made up of career professionals, not political appointees.
Texin
(2,822 posts)He was on a list of Heritage Foundation and Leonard Leo-approved judges compiled for Bush the Lesser (Shrub) during his presidencies. Leo was trying to pick judges that would be amenable to overturning the Roe decision, and the Heritage Foundation had been vetting the very most conservative judges to be appointed by a president for the courts since the mid-80s. Many of the rethug SCOTUS picks are/were Roman Catholic. I'm not sure about Roberts, but the majority of them are Catholic.
aggiesal
(10,487 posts)Here are the Catholics on the Supreme Court.
John Roberts
Clarence Thomas
Samuel Alito
Brett Kavanaugh
Amy Coney Barrett
Sonia Sotomayor
Neil Gorsuch - Raised Catholic, now identifies as Episcopalian
Katanji Jackson - Protestant
Elena Kagan - Jewish
aggiesal
(10,487 posts)txwhitedove
(4,302 posts)moondust
(21,163 posts)by John Roberts.
Coming soon to a Heritage Foundation seminar near you.
SidneyR
(202 posts)Some other countries, notably Canada and the UK, use the national professional association to nominate court judges. In this country, that would be the American Bar Association. They would pick several candidates who are professionally qualified for a vote in the Senate.
KS Toronado
(22,501 posts)And was he threatened with "go along with what I want or else" scenario
Texin
(2,822 posts)Thomas was almost not confirmed because of Anita Hills's allegations against him.
Mister Ed
(6,763 posts)His court calls almost every pitch to the wealthy, to the corrupt, to the right wing a ball, and calls almost every pitch to everyone else a strike.
Kid Berwyn
(22,502 posts)In newly revealed testimony, Jane Roberts, the wife of Chief Justice John Roberts said she worked for U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators and more.
By HAILEY FUCHS and JOSH GERSTEIN
Politico, 01/31/2023
EXCERPT...
Jane Roberts placements included at least one firm with a prominent Supreme Court practice, according to the complaint, which also includes sworn testimony from Roberts herself, in which she notes the powerful officials whose agencies have had frequent cases before her husband for whom she has worked.
A significant portion of my practice on the partner side is with senior government lawyers, ranging from U.S. attorneys, cabinet officials, former senators, chairmen of federal commissions, general counsel of federal commissions, and then senior political appointees within the ranks of various agencies, and I -- they come to me looking to transition to the private sector, Roberts said, according to a transcript of a 2015 arbitration hearing related to her former colleagues termination.
In her testimony, Roberts also noted the benefit of working with senior government officials: Successful people have successful friends.
Continues
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/jane-roberts-legal-recruiting-work-agencies-cases-supreme-court-00080515

"They come to me." -- Mrs. Jane Roberts, wife of Chief Justice John Roberts
3825-87867
(1,762 posts)But Number 2 is holier than any religious piece of fiction.
jfz9580m
(16,312 posts)Thats what I am gearing up for. The kind of patience that fundamentalists had. That drive that brooks disappointment and the willingness to delay instant gratification and weather disappointments in a society where your views were getting fringe.
Most of what used to at least be considered mainstream by reasonable people (e.g. publicly funded civilian science, abortion rights, basic environmental protections, the public sector) is becoming fringe
.
And we always needed that for issues like animal rights or better environmental and labor protections as is on the farther left.
Roberts was patient:
https://www.salon.com/2025/10/15/john-roberts-is-slowly-dismantling-america/
I think we need that on the left - both a fast strategy and this kind of patience/not getting discouraged.
It is not tied to democratic politics directly. I am not American and not being the left version of those fake Magats on Twitter, I cant and wouldnt interfere with American politics from another country. But I have an easy task to help the US. Specifically American science and medicine.
Which is attack my former employer-a noxious school in the pocket of tech giants. It is definitely one of the sources of this undemocratic purge.
I have to figure out the specifics-by attack I mean file the most meaningful complaints I can while skirting the actual scientists there (they are lame and pathetic for being passive in the face of all this, but not the source of the real issues. The technofascists are).