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Jilly_in_VA

(13,652 posts)
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:22 AM Yesterday

Sepsis is 'very treatable.' For inmates, it's often a death sentence.

Locked in a segregation cell at a county jail in Oklahoma, Terral Ellis Jr. begged for his inhaler, his voice raspy and desperate.

“I think I’m dying,” the 26-year-old father pleaded through the door.

Surveillance camera footage shows the jail nurse sauntered over to his cell, clearly exasperated. “There ain’t a damn thing f------ wrong with you,” she snapped, before slamming the door shut. A nearby inmate cracked a joke about the “boy who cried wolf.”

By the time paramedics arrived hours later, Ellis was barely conscious. He died that day from septic shock brought on by pneumonia – an infection he could have survived, if treated earlier.

Ellis’ story repeats itself hundreds of times each year in jails and prisons scattered from coast to coast. Arrests for infractions as minor as trespassing or a missed probation meeting turn into death sentences when correctional facilities delay or deny medical care that inmates need. Grieving families then sue for millions, often leaving taxpayers to foot the bill.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2025/11/20/sepsis-deaths-lawsuits-prisons-jails-infection-investigation/85755243007/

WARNING: Hot button issue! The attitude of that jail nurse is what is wrong with a lot of prison medical maltreatment., which I saw WAY too much of in my 30-year nursing career. Many jails/prisons hire LPNs, who aren't qualified for the work they do, doctors whose credentials may be on the shady side, etc,---and I suspect that the lower down the ladder, the worse it is because the pay scale is so low.

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Mosby

(19,199 posts)
1. People don't care about prisoners and detainees.
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 10:48 AM
Yesterday

That's especially true for the people who work in the system.

hlthe2b

(112,382 posts)
2. I get the point w inmates lack of care. But I need to emphasize, "very treatable" does NOT equate to "very survivable"
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 11:51 AM
Yesterday

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NOT at all. Sepis is a death sentence for so many, even with immediate recognition and treatment per established protocols (which do not always happen). Survival depends on the cause of the sepsis, other concomitant conditions (age of patient, etc), and the ability to administer the most aggressive care with immediate serial blood testing for those who develop clotting defects (Disseminated intravascular coaggulation, DIC, or as veterinarians grimly reference it, "DEAD IN CAGE"--which is pretty apropos for many humans as well).

To suggest sepsis is not as serious and deadly as that statement "very treatable" implies is a serious lack of understanding of the condition by those producing this piece.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,652 posts)
3. Of course it's serious and deadly
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 03:17 PM
23 hrs ago

but the point is that if infections are caught EARLY they do not need to turn into sepsis. And unfortunately, what often happens, whether it is in federal or state prisons or county jails, "medical" (and I use the term loosely) staff is so dismissive of prisoners' complaints that simple infections are allowed to go to the point where they turn deadly and the prisoner becomes septic. That's my whole point here.

I will resurrect, at least in part, the story of my patient "Ricky", a prisoner I cared for during one of my travel assignments. Ricky was a very sick man indee by the time I got him. He'd just come out of 48 hours in ICU following emergency surgery to remove most of his colon. When I got to a place where I could sit down that night and read his medical history and surgical report, I was as angry as the doctors who had written them. He'd been complaining to prison medical staff for several months of abdominal pain, but his complaints were routinely ignored or dismissed as "malingering". He was given mdication for "constipation" at one point, which was not his problem, as he'd plainly stated, but never mind. Finally he was found unconscious on the floor of his cell bleeding profusely from his rectum with a very low blood pressure and only then was he transferred to the hospital. When the surgeon opened him up, he found that not oly had Ricky's bowel perforated, much of his colon was not salvageable and had to be removed. Ricky would have to wear a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. He was very polite and as pleasant as anyone could be who was really sick and in pain, and I took as good care of him as I would of anyone. (I wish I could have said the same for his guards, but that's a whole other story; suffice it to say I had to tell them to be quiet and turn the lights down for my patient's sake.) But that, and a few other cases I saw, are how prison medical neglect became such a hot button issue for me.

Melon

(940 posts)
4. It's not easy for staff because they deal with a population that are low trust and likely prey on others
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 03:58 PM
23 hrs ago

How many calls to sick bay are due to scams, or bored prisoners looking to get out of their cells, or get medication? My best friend was a prison guard and he said it’s non stop scammers trying in every way to get out of the cells for the day. Some illnesses fall between the cracks not because of the abusive system, but because you are dealing with a population which consists of some of the worst our society has to offer. If everyone who raises their hand gets to go to the infirmary, what would that look like? When you lose your freedom and control of your decisions, it doesn’t look the same as the people outside.

The nurses and doctors don’t likely get into the system with the mistrust of prisoner illness that they quickly develop from seeing it.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,652 posts)
5. That doesn't excuse the attitudes
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 05:18 PM
21 hrs ago

or the outright neglect. Refusing to give prisoners their medications, for instance, that they were prescribed. Not listening to pregnant prisoners who are in labor, forcing them to give birth unattended in their cells or miscarry alone in their cells and perhaps even die from that. Or what happened to Ricky over the course of several months. That's just criminal neglect.

I will hand it to a federal prison in Tennessee. When I worked in a cardiology unit there, we had a repeat patient who was a federal prisoner who had some kind of mysterious chest pain/heart complaint. It took several hospital stays for the doctors to figure out what was wrong with him. It was some kind of obscure electrical problem which eventually required him to get, if I remember correctly, some new-fangled (at the time) type of pacemaker (not an ICD, but a double-barreled variety that worked on both atrial and ventricular sides). He was a pretty nice guy who was in prison for some kind of fraud. His guards were generally good-humored too. We actually enjoyed having him on our unit.

Melon

(940 posts)
6. The article was about Sepsis. People in the regular world are misdiagnosed regularly with Sepsis or it's discovered to
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 05:39 PM
21 hrs ago

far along for regular treatment. Ones it's discovered, it can't be gotten in control.
A prisoner's situation is due to their own actions in life. They don't enjoy the best of anything. I am just stating a counter fact, that prisoners constantly scam and connive to use medical treatment for a change in their daily scene. You can't expect staff to treat every medical request as urgent when their own experience is that it is usually not.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,652 posts)
7. Yes it CAN be gotten in control
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 05:44 PM
21 hrs ago

I've taken care of some pretty complicated septic patients, so don't tell me.

And prison medical neglect IS a huge problem. Not all prisoners are scammers, and not everyone in prison is there because they are/were a scammer. You should still treat them as human beings. A little of that goes a long way.

hlthe2b

(112,382 posts)
8. You don't need to tell me. I have actually conducted a very large and deadly outbreak investigation
Fri Dec 5, 2025, 06:24 PM
20 hrs ago

in one of the country's largest jails years ago (E. coli 0157:H7), and yes, many of these patients developed sepsis. BECAUSE I was there investigating, most of the sickest inmates were transferred to area hospitals. The point is that not only must prison infirmaries RECOGNIZE pending sepsis--or infections serious enough to require rapid transfer but also be looking for such conditions. I am sorry about your patient. I can assure you that it is sadly not uncommon. Only because my team and I were in that facility investigating and implementing disease control measures (for 4 straight weeks), did a later state corrections team require them to ditch the private health care company and implement OUR recommendations.

I won't identify the state or city, or specific facility where this occurred, because frankly, the issues for inmate care are a nationwide disgrace so what I experienced is repeated to a major degree across the country, if not the specific outbreak issues. I know it, you know it, but when the general population of this country cannot receive adequate health care, it is hard to make changes or to get too many R legislators to care. But I have to both agree and somewhat disagree with you. Early indications of sepsis are so often missed--especially in the elderly that it is not a "given" that even common infections like UTIs will not result in a fatal sepsis. Your Ricky's story is abysmal and inexcusable. It should not happen, but I hate to say it, but the elderly in nursing homes come into my ER not infrequently with a similar history. Pneumonia is likewise a major cause of sepsis death in the elderly in nursing homes. The response I get when I remind the supervising physician for these facilities that their staff are inadequate in vaccinating for influenza (or not doing so at all)? "Well, they have to die of SOMETHING..."

So, sorry to take this away from your specific issue, as I agree with you that it is inexcusable. But it is part of a larger and tragic issue that likewise needs to be addressed.

Jilly_in_VA

(13,652 posts)
9. The sad part of Ricky's story
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 11:43 AM
3 hrs ago

is that he was a relatively young man, in his 40s. He had a lot of life left to live.

10. My best friend from college died from Sepis due to an infected kidney stone
Sat Dec 6, 2025, 11:48 AM
3 hrs ago

He was only 52 but had other health challenges.

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