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D. Spaulding

(436 posts)
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:02 PM Nov 28

Not sure if this story was covered here yet, but if true, it's a bombshell and totally redeems the Kelly video;

From Rawstory;

'Premeditated murder': Pete Hegseth accused of 'unambiguous war crime' after new report

New reporting shows Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth may have violated U.S. and international law by ordering a follow-up attack on two survivors in the administration's controversial missile strikes on alleged drug smugglers.

President Donald Trump's Pentagon chief ordered the Sept. 2 strike off the Trinidad coast, but drone footage showed two survivors clinging to the wreckage after the smoke cleared – and the Washington Post reported that Hegseth gave a second verbal directive to "kill everybody."


https://www.rawstory.com/pete-hegseth-war-crime-premeditated/

Hegseth is unqualified garbage.
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Not sure if this story was covered here yet, but if true, it's a bombshell and totally redeems the Kelly video; (Original Post) D. Spaulding Nov 28 OP
If true canetoad Nov 28 #1
Can we Traildogbob Nov 28 #2
No Hair Extensions?? Ars Longa Nov 28 #6
Or highlighted tips Traildogbob Nov 28 #9
NOPE here, too! calimary Nov 28 #18
NOPE! calimary Nov 28 #17
PPV would eliminate the nation dept mercuryblues Nov 28 #20
No Fox News.... BattleRow Nov 28 #22
..."Til the maggots carry 'em through the keyhole!" BurnDoubt Nov 28 #36
It is written by the WP. Big Blue Marble Nov 28 #3
Stalking Horse roscoeroscoe Nov 28 #4
If this is indeed true; D. Spaulding Nov 28 #5
NAZI Murderer Kid Berwyn Nov 28 #7
That's not "war", it is warcrimes, it is premeditated murder. How will Hogsbreath feel when an enemy orders the ... marble falls Nov 28 #8
I fear it would make Hegseth feel happy as it would give him a pretense to send in heavy bombers Attilatheblond Nov 28 #27
Hogsbreath, Secretary of WarCrimes LaRaven Nov 28 #40
Does anyone know if there's a version of the WAPO story D. Spaulding Nov 28 #10
Internet archive link canetoad Nov 28 #12
Thanks! D. Spaulding Nov 28 #34
If we don't prosecute Hegseth ourselves, The Hague should stick him in Slobodan Milosevic's old cell. paulkienitz Nov 28 #11
q: can the hague prosecute americans? no orleans Nov 28 #21
Does a crime on International Waters come under ICC jurisdiction? colorado_ufo Nov 28 #33
Not that the Kelly video needs any redemption. soldierant Nov 28 #13
Darn keys are right next to each other. rzemanfl Nov 29 #44
Yeah, thanks. I do that a lot. Aometimes I catch it. soldierant Nov 29 #46
I see.... rzemanfl Nov 29 #47
We have a lawless administration overseeing our federal government. debsy Nov 28 #14
Glad this incident is getting attention, but the truth is EVERY SINGLE ATTACK off the coast of Venezuela is murder and a Fil1957 Nov 28 #15
Hegseth's Undoing gfarber Nov 28 #16
And let's add the issue of GIVING UNLAWFUL ORDERS BOSSHOG Nov 28 #19
If true, this makes cold-blooded sense. NH Ethylene Nov 28 #23
Someone followed an illegal order YoshidaYui Nov 28 #24
Are we sure the murders have been carried out by the military? Shipwack Nov 28 #38
Pete Hegseth Ordered "Kill Them All" as Two People Hung From the Side of a Boat Engulfed in Flames in Caribbean Amaryllis Nov 28 #25
Hegseth, meet The Hague Seinan Sensei Nov 29 #42
Polluted Pete Kegsbreath is a disgrace to our country. NoMoreRepugs Nov 28 #26
Serial killer Turbineguy Nov 28 #28
When a title includes "but if true..." SCantiGOP Nov 28 #29
It's being reported by WaPo, CNN, ABC and others. sop Nov 28 #31
There's probably video/audio evidence of Hegseth watching the first strike live and giving the follow-up kill order. sop Nov 28 #30
Send Kegsbreath to the drunk tank Blue Owl Nov 28 #32
Maybe that's why they made the video when they did. COL Mustard Nov 28 #35
can't wait for the murder triel at the hague. pansypoo53219 Nov 28 #37
Kick. N/T Upthevibe Nov 28 #39
May petey receive everything he deserves. Three times three. niyad Nov 28 #41
A WAR CRIME Jimvanhise Nov 29 #43
Hegadeth didn't want to leave a witness Mblaze Nov 29 #45
I like how everybody's playing the "Fuck with His Name" game! calimary Sunday #48

Traildogbob

(12,333 posts)
2. Can we
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:18 PM
Nov 28

Just turn over Noem, Miller, and Kegsbreath to international prisons and maybe have Jack Smith prosecute them for multiple murders. PPV.
I pray for the day they are shackled, in prison orange, as they shuffle into court for trial with the ultimate sentence. Life without plastic, hair gel or spray, on 24/7 video feed to watch them suffer. All in the same cell with two bunks and a gender neutral toilet.
Watch Noem melt like her South Park fill in, to where bot even her two bunk mates wanna touch or see her.

Traildogbob

(12,333 posts)
9. Or highlighted tips
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:33 PM
Nov 28

For Kegsbreath. And no mirrors, like the Pentagon upgrades. Just Carnival ones that warp their image even worse than they are in living color.
And only one outfit. Orange jump suit.

Big Blue Marble

(5,659 posts)
3. It is written by the WP.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:18 PM
Nov 28

If anything, they lean towards the Administration. Someone wants Hegseth out.

roscoeroscoe

(1,797 posts)
4. Stalking Horse
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:27 PM
Nov 28

They have this never back down routine, so they're hanging Hegs out there like bait. Another chance to call critics unpatriotic. It works in MAGA world, not at all here in Earth 1.

Check out South Park's new episode!

marble falls

(70,068 posts)
8. That's not "war", it is warcrimes, it is premeditated murder. How will Hogsbreath feel when an enemy orders the ...
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 02:32 PM
Nov 28

... murder of US military wounded/prisoners?

Attilatheblond

(7,995 posts)
27. I fear it would make Hegseth feel happy as it would give him a pretense to send in heavy bombers
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:59 PM
Nov 28

and murder thousands.

He is an egocentric drunk in fear of displeasing the murderous maniac in chief and losing his cushy gig

canetoad

(19,949 posts)
12. Internet archive link
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:18 PM
Nov 28
https://archive.md/Dnq8a

All you need to do is copy the link to the article, in this case I obtained it from RawStory. Then go to archive.today webpage archive and paste it in. It gives you a clean, non-paywalled copy.

paulkienitz

(1,488 posts)
11. If we don't prosecute Hegseth ourselves, The Hague should stick him in Slobodan Milosevic's old cell.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:17 PM
Nov 28

orleans

(36,579 posts)
21. q: can the hague prosecute americans? no
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:25 PM
Nov 28


google ai:
No, the International Criminal Court (ICC) cannot prosecute Americans because the United States is not a member state of the ICC, and the ICC has no jurisdiction over the nationals of non-member states. However, there are limited circumstances where a US citizen could be prosecuted: if an American commits a crime on the territory of a member state, the ICC can have jurisdiction, notes the Coalition for the International Criminal Court.

colorado_ufo

(6,191 posts)
33. Does a crime on International Waters come under ICC jurisdiction?
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 05:52 PM
Nov 28

Asking for a few hundred million friends!

soldierant

(9,212 posts)
13. Not that the Kelly video needs any redemption.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:44 PM
Nov 28

Last edited Sat Nov 29, 2025, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Speaking as a veteran, it is spot on and if anything understated.

debsy

(733 posts)
14. We have a lawless administration overseeing our federal government.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:53 PM
Nov 28

As long as Donnie dumpster can pardon anyone he wants, they can kill anyone with no consequences. This is what happens with unchecked power. SCROTUS and the Grand Old Pricks have abdicated their responsibilities and handed our government over to a bunch of billionaire yahoos.

Fil1957

(455 posts)
15. Glad this incident is getting attention, but the truth is EVERY SINGLE ATTACK off the coast of Venezuela is murder and a
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 03:58 PM
Nov 28

war crime. Even the destruction of the submarine which likely WAS transporting drugs is murder and a war crime.

Hope he and the other sick bastards responsible for these crimes gets serious prison time. It's the only way this murderous madness is going to stop.

gfarber

(172 posts)
16. Hegseth's Undoing
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:03 PM
Nov 28


Reports from the coast say, in stride,
A strike left two clinging alive.
But whispers then spread
Of a follow-up said—
Just “per news accounts,” not verified.

The papers described quite a shock:
A command that could bend every law on the block.
Though all that’s been told
Is what journalists hold—
Allegations that rightly raise talk.

Drone footage, the story relates,
Showed survivors who clung to their fates.
Then a claim made in print
Cast a serious tint—
Though it’s only what one source narrates.

Off Trinidad’s coastline they say
A mission went sideways that day.
And the Post wrote a line
Of an order defined—
But again, that’s just reporting, not sway.

BOSSHOG

(44,317 posts)
19. And let's add the issue of GIVING UNLAWFUL ORDERS
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:09 PM
Nov 28

As if fucking up a minimum amount of lives isn’t enough for the convicted felon who has never had a friend in his life, has never loved anyone and views associates as ATM machines.

NH Ethylene

(31,273 posts)
23. If true, this makes cold-blooded sense.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:45 PM
Nov 28

Any survivors could come forward and present evidence that they were just fishermen, describe the horrors of the attack, etc, which would not only be very bad publicity for the administration, but it would also put a crimp on their plans for a war against Venezuela.

YoshidaYui

(44,827 posts)
24. Someone followed an illegal order
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:49 PM
Nov 28

Last edited Fri Nov 28, 2025, 09:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Does no one listen to Malcolm Nance?

Shipwack

(2,956 posts)
38. Are we sure the murders have been carried out by the military?
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 07:11 PM
Nov 28

I’m thinking that these boat attacks are being done by the one of the alphabet services.

Then again, there were those enlisted men who knowingly fired drone missiles on wedding celebrations during the Afghanistan conflict.

Amaryllis

(10,900 posts)
25. Pete Hegseth Ordered "Kill Them All" as Two People Hung From the Side of a Boat Engulfed in Flames in Caribbean
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 04:56 PM
Nov 28

Aaron Parnas

more at link

https://aaronparnas.substack.com/p/news-pete-hegseth-ordered-kill-them?

Good afternoon, everyone. Credible reports have emerged indicating that U.S. military personnel likely violated international humanitarian law, specifically involving an alleged order by Pete Hegseth to fire on individuals in the southern Caribbean who were clinging to the side of a burning boat and posed no apparent threat to the United States.

Having spent years studying international law both as an undergraduate and in law school, I can say this with absolute clarity: if these reports are accurate, this conduct would align with what international law defines as denial of quarter, the unlawful refusal to accept the surrender of persons who are defenseless, incapacitated, or otherwise incapable of mounting a threat. In plain terms, it would constitute a war crime. And I break down exactly why.

A Washington Post report described a Caribbean operation in which U.S. surveillance tracked a boat believed to be carrying drugs; according to two individuals with direct knowledge, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth issued a spoken directive to “kill everybody,” leading SEAL Team 6 to strike the vessel and leave no survivors, even as two men clung to the burning, disabled boat.

Experts and officials say the suspected traffickers were not engaged in any armed conflict with the United States and posed no imminent threat; therefore, according to former Special Operations legal adviser Todd Huntley, killing them outside a lawful war context “amounts to murder.”

SCantiGOP

(14,629 posts)
29. When a title includes "but if true..."
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 05:06 PM
Nov 28

and it comes from Rawstory, it probably shouldn’t be posted.

sop

(17,120 posts)
30. There's probably video/audio evidence of Hegseth watching the first strike live and giving the follow-up kill order.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 05:21 PM
Nov 28

Blue Owl

(58,040 posts)
32. Send Kegsbreath to the drunk tank
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 05:52 PM
Nov 28

The one with the iron bars, stainless,steel toilet, and no windows

COL Mustard

(7,893 posts)
35. Maybe that's why they made the video when they did.
Fri Nov 28, 2025, 06:08 PM
Nov 28

A lot of people were wondering what orders were illegal...Hegesth's reported "kill them all" order after the first missile strike might be the clearest example we've seen recently.

Jimvanhise

(552 posts)
43. A WAR CRIME
Sat Nov 29, 2025, 12:06 AM
Nov 29

After World War Two people in Germany and Japan were prosecuted (and sometimes executed) for things like this.

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