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Ukraine is rejecting Trump's plan right now at the UN Security Council. (Original Post) spanone Nov 2025 OP
This doesn't surprise me. Trump claimed he could end the Russian invasion of Ukraine on day one. Putin uses Trump OLDMDDEM Nov 2025 #1
Hurray for Ukraine. sinkingfeeling Nov 2025 #2
Cede 1/3 of their territory, huge reduce their military, ban NATO. Russia gets to join the world economy. Swede Nov 2025 #3
Trmp is such an embarrassment. spanone Nov 2025 #4
Hell to the NO! iluvtennis Nov 2025 #22
American pResident, BidenRocks Nov 2025 #33
The TrumPutin Plan is a death proposal. To TrumPutin, the World is their Fifth Avenue. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Nov 2025 #5
now we get to see putin puppet tRump throw tantrums and threaten Ukraine. nt yaesu Nov 2025 #6
So much winning! llmart Nov 2025 #7
Well, Duh? Had to give up everything, Russia gave up nothing. surfered Nov 2025 #8
It was no peace plan, it was a surrender plan ashredux Nov 2025 #9
trmp is negotiating for Russia. spanone Nov 2025 #12
Woo hoo! duckworth969 Nov 2025 #10
Russia is going to lose... justaprogressive Nov 2025 #11
Who's a good boy! Who's Vladys good boy! Hey Joe Nov 2025 #13
Too bad, Donnie, no "peace prize" for you. paleotn Nov 2025 #14
Trump's "plan" is unilateral disarmament and a territory giveaway. Shades of Neville Chamberlain. Martin68 Nov 2025 #15
ukraine should present a similar plan to the UN except moonshinegnomie Nov 2025 #16
Absolutely. These UN things are all PR, and Ukr needs to match the PR Bluetus Nov 2025 #27
And reject it should! democrank Nov 2025 #17
Like they should. Iggo Nov 2025 #18
Now noble malaise Nov 2025 #19
As well they should blue-wave Nov 2025 #20
"..*rump's plan..." MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2025 #21
There's no "plan" - there's never any fucking "plan" or "deal". Just Assmouth's unending venality. 617Blue Nov 2025 #23
Surprise surprise. ananda Nov 2025 #24
Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Nov 2025 #25
Counter offer: aeromanKC Nov 2025 #26
This was a no-brainer. Wednesdays Nov 2025 #28
Excellent, trump/putin can never be trusted vapor2 Nov 2025 #29
I sure hope this doesn't hurt Trumps chances for winning Peace Prize next year. Gimpyknee Nov 2025 #30
Good...nt Figarosmom Nov 2025 #31
Bravo Ukraine DallasNE Nov 2025 #32
Good for Ukraine, it's a horrific plan ...👎nt Raine Nov 2025 #34
Stupid plan offered by a fat orange imbecile wolfie001 Nov 2025 #35
Good. It wasn't a plan it was just a gift to Putin mdbl Nov 2025 #36
Are there reputable organizations out there BonnieJW Nov 2025 #37
Trump is such a simpleton. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2025 #38
Dump was just being Putin's lapdog sakabatou Nov 2025 #39
They knew they couldn't accept a peace deal that would destroy them as a nation. Borogove Nov 2025 #40
Europe needs to step up its game and stop relying on the US Arazi Nov 2025 #41

OLDMDDEM

(3,184 posts)
1. This doesn't surprise me. Trump claimed he could end the Russian invasion of Ukraine on day one. Putin uses Trump
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:28 AM
Nov 2025

and Trump doesn't recognize it at all. Zelensky should tell them all to go pound sand as he knows Russia will not honor any agreement for a ceasefire. All costs for rebuilding should be from Russian accounts. That will never happen. They are basically going broke.

Swede

(39,491 posts)
3. Cede 1/3 of their territory, huge reduce their military, ban NATO. Russia gets to join the world economy.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 11:38 AM
Nov 2025

What's not to like?

llmart

(17,615 posts)
7. So much winning!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:14 PM
Nov 2025

I'm getting tired of all the winning, aren't you?

Trump needs a big red letter L on his fat, ugly forehead. That's my new version of "The Scarlet Letter".

surfered

(13,460 posts)
8. Well, Duh? Had to give up everything, Russia gave up nothing.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:15 PM
Nov 2025

They previously gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees and then Russia invaded them . Just like Trump, Putin cannot be trusted to keep his word.

Hey Joe

(615 posts)
13. Who's a good boy! Who's Vladys good boy!
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 12:35 PM
Nov 2025

Trump remains Putins buttboy and fluffer.

I knew you could! Good boy!

I’m off to vomit now…….

Martin68

(27,741 posts)
15. Trump's "plan" is unilateral disarmament and a territory giveaway. Shades of Neville Chamberlain.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:04 PM
Nov 2025

moonshinegnomie

(4,016 posts)
16. ukraine should present a similar plan to the UN except
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:17 PM
Nov 2025

have their plan basically do the same thing to russia. give up large amounts of russian territory. limit the size of russia's military. etc..
see how russia reacts

Bluetus

(2,793 posts)
27. Absolutely. These UN things are all PR, and Ukr needs to match the PR
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:28 PM
Nov 2025

And they should include additional terms such as sanctions against Russia because of their pattern of aggression, limitations on their rebuilding of armaments and so on.

None of these things will be agreed, but it is important to take some control over the messaging. Maybe it is time for the big EU countries to step in with the Ukraine peace plan.

blue-wave

(5,108 posts)
20. As well they should
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 01:51 PM
Nov 2025

The agreement was drafted without any Ukrainian input or consultation. Ukraine should respond with a demand that Russia give up their borderlands with Ukraine (much of this land was once Ukrainian anyway) as a buffer zone to protect Ukraine from more Russian invasion and genocide. We can start with the Kuban region, which was once Ukrainian land:

In Kuban many Ukrainians were settled in areas which were inhabited by Russians when in 1792 the Empress Catherine II gave the Black Sea Cossack Host the rights to these lands. Her decree of June 30 and July 1, 1792 handed these lands over to the Black Sea Cossacks "for eternity".[citation needed] The territory involved included the Phanagorian peninsula and the lands on the right bank of the Kuban River.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Kuban

Attention Mr. Putin! If I read the above excerpt correctly, it does say "for eternity."

Russia is nothing but a terrorist state and has never had any honor.

Slava Ukraini!! Heroyam Slava!! Slava NaViki!!

617Blue

(2,472 posts)
23. There's no "plan" - there's never any fucking "plan" or "deal". Just Assmouth's unending venality.
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 02:04 PM
Nov 2025

vapor2

(4,506 posts)
29. Excellent, trump/putin can never be trusted
Fri Nov 21, 2025, 08:48 PM
Nov 2025

and Putin has no intention of ending this war

 

Gimpyknee

(1,025 posts)
30. I sure hope this doesn't hurt Trumps chances for winning Peace Prize next year.
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 12:56 AM
Nov 2025

After all, he’s already stopped eight wars.

DallasNE

(8,007 posts)
32. Bravo Ukraine
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 01:53 AM
Nov 2025

Peace will come when conditions are ripe on the ground for peace. Right now, they are not even close. Indeed, it is premature for peace talks to even be underway. Neither side wants them at this moment. If Trump truly wants peace, then he needs to support changes that change the conditions on the ground. Instead, he has spent 10 months prolonging the war and the carnage. The missed opportunity has been in not thickening the air-defense systems so fewer of the Russian missiles and drones penetrate, and to provide long-range options that can knock out Russia's assembly of these aerial assets. Everyone seems to know what is needed next except for Trump, who has cognitive issues.

BonnieJW

(3,124 posts)
37. Are there reputable organizations out there
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 10:56 AM
Nov 2025

to which we can contribute to support Ukraine? If Americans contribute $10 or whatever they can afford each month, we could contribute to the success of Ukraine 🇺🇦

Arazi

(8,887 posts)
41. Europe needs to step up its game and stop relying on the US
Sat Nov 22, 2025, 11:33 AM
Nov 2025

The days of our allyship are over.

I’m guessing Ukraine is acting in simpatico with the EU on this move cause I fear the consequences from the US will be immediate cessation of assistance. They’ve had 10 months to prepare for this day.

Zelensky’s done a masterful job coaxing Traitor to come along for this long but this day was always inevitable

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