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PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:03 AM Oct 30

Saw this on Facebook

"The failure of SNAP payments symbolizes a deeper national sickness: a society that has never fully committed to economic justice because it has never fully confronted the roots of inequality.

Feeding the poor is not charity—it is a test of civilization."


That last line sums it up perfectly.
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Saw this on Facebook (Original Post) PatSeg Oct 30 OP
Excellent quote for these times wendyb-NC Oct 30 #1
Yes PatSeg Oct 30 #2
On another DU thread.. Some 200,000 Little Free Libraries converting to food pantries.. halobeam Oct 31 #38
Lady Madonna BurnDoubt Oct 30 #3
Children at your feet, Haggard Celine Oct 30 #23
Shitheads. BurnDoubt Oct 30 #32
This quote assumes that SNAP payments have actually failed ... but they haven't failed FakeNoose Oct 30 #4
Every time the Government takes money out of circulation KS Toronado Oct 30 #6
With all due respect, my friend, it is NOT failure and negligence. dixiegrrrrl Oct 30 #8
Thank you for agreeing and supporting me FakeNoose Oct 30 #14
Yes, it is a lose-lose for pretty much everyone PatSeg Oct 30 #10
Also farmers who need that market for their product. tblue37 Oct 30 #28
Arguably a civilization* wouldn't have an eighth of it's citizens on food support. progressoid Oct 30 #29
Far too many christians in US shit on Matthew 25:40-43 Bernardo de La Paz Oct 30 #5
They ignore such passages PatSeg Oct 30 #11
And they point to Leviticus re homosexuality while they get their tattoos also forbidden by that book. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 30 #18
Yes, they take selective interpretation PatSeg Oct 30 #20
Right wingers really don't like that part of the Bible progressoid Oct 30 #30
Hope I always remember that last line KS Toronado Oct 30 #7
Yes, it is perfect PatSeg Oct 30 #12
Feeding the hungry is not charity, it is justice. rustbeltvoice Oct 30 #9
I agree PatSeg Oct 30 #13
"Denying people food is anti-life, and cruel, Haggard Celine Oct 30 #24
We have never rid ourselves of the royalists or the sycophants who love them. LT Barclay Oct 30 #15
That is true PatSeg Oct 30 #22
And those claiming to be followers of the One who said "Feed the hungry" won't do what he said to do. surfered Oct 30 #16
They rarely do PatSeg Oct 30 #25
A test of civilization, decency and humanity. liberalla Oct 30 #17
And now we're seeing the aftermath of that inequality PatSeg Oct 30 #26
Food Stamps (SNAP), developed during the depression, also worked as a price stabilizer ChicagoTeamster Oct 30 #19
I hadn't thought of that about PatSeg Oct 30 #27
Farm Aid started in 1985 and there's still one this year. It started with headliners like Willie Nelson and Neil Young ChicagoTeamster Oct 30 #35
"Feeding the poor is not charity--it is a test of civilization." cer7711 Oct 30 #21
King Dump says the SNAP program is full of fraud and corruption Diamond_Dog Oct 30 #31
That is so often his excuse PatSeg Oct 30 #33
Absolutely. It's so obviously projection. Diamond_Dog Oct 30 #34
It's so difficult LittleGirl Oct 31 #41
History will remember the U.S. as the wealthiest nation to fail the test RVN VET71 Oct 30 #36
Yes, though hopefully we'll be remembered PatSeg Oct 31 #39
A society is not judged on how well they keep their kings Farmer-Rick Oct 30 #37
Exactly PatSeg Oct 31 #40

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
2. Yes
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:23 AM
Oct 30

And for all those Trump supporting Christians, this is something that reinforces the teachings of Jesus (the parts of the bible that they conveniently ignore).

halobeam

(5,081 posts)
38. On another DU thread.. Some 200,000 Little Free Libraries converting to food pantries..
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 05:37 AM
Oct 31
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220762338

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Incase anyone's interested, and able to do so, here's a link to their site. They're having a sale too!

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Haggard Celine

(17,644 posts)
23. Children at your feet,
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 02:06 PM
Oct 30

wonder how you manage to make ends meet. Looks like Lady Madonna is going to have an even harder time making ends meet.

FakeNoose

(39,957 posts)
4. This quote assumes that SNAP payments have actually failed ... but they haven't failed
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:46 AM
Oct 30

SNAP payments were working, they were doing their job efficiently and well.

The Chump administration has cancelled them without any authority or legal mandate to do so. It's just one more presidential failure and proof of negligence on his part.

On top of all this, the cancellation of SNAP is very bad for our economy, as well as for the children and families who are being denied the benefits. Even if he doesn't care about "poor hungry children," Chump had better care about the American merchants and grocers who have the legal and economic power to fight this. He ignores them at his own peril.

KS Toronado

(22,841 posts)
6. Every time the Government takes money out of circulation
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:01 AM
Oct 30

it hurts our economy, wish more voting Rs understood this.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,140 posts)
8. With all due respect, my friend, it is NOT failure and negligence.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:13 AM
Oct 30

It is part of his cabal's deliberate,planned intentional destruction of our country.

I no longer think of trump being the key behind these months of destruction of our system.
He's just the dimwitted puppet figurehead.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
10. Yes, it is a lose-lose for pretty much everyone
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:40 AM
Oct 30

SNAP is a highly successful program that serves the community, farmers, and the economy as well as individual families.

This was not only cruel, it was exceedingly stupid.

progressoid

(52,485 posts)
29. Arguably a civilization* wouldn't have an eighth of it's citizens on food support.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 04:20 PM
Oct 30


*depending on your definition of civilization.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
5. Far too many christians in US shit on Matthew 25:40-43
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:56 AM
Oct 30
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
11. They ignore such passages
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:42 AM
Oct 30

and actually most of the new testament. They like the violence and cruelty of the old testament, especially the eye-for-an-eye parts.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
18. And they point to Leviticus re homosexuality while they get their tattoos also forbidden by that book. . . . nt
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:10 PM
Oct 30

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
20. Yes, they take selective interpretation
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:49 PM
Oct 30

to a whole new level. They just cherry-pick the parts that fit their prejudices and then proclaim, "But the bible says".

One Baptist minister who opposed alcohol consumption told me Jesus never drank wine. It was really fruit juice. Well, imagine that! Where they don't like what the bible says, they put it down to a bad translation, but everything else is the word of god. By the time I was done with the guy, he left quite unsettled, probably sure he'd entered the devil's lair. I guess I must have gotten tagged 'heathen' and 'unconvertable' as he never returned.

One thing you can say about Jesus, whether he was a real person or not, is he was very clear in his message. There is no reading between the lines. Hence we rarely hear fundamentalists quoting the new testament, though they do and say a whole lot in the name Jesus.

progressoid

(52,485 posts)
30. Right wingers really don't like that part of the Bible
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 04:25 PM
Oct 30

It was one of my faves to to use when I used to spar with them. It often ended with them finding a different verse to counter like "get your house in order" (Isaiah 38:1) Or they'd simply shut down the conversation.

KS Toronado

(22,841 posts)
7. Hope I always remember that last line
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:04 AM
Oct 30

"Feeding the poor is not charity—it is a test of civilization."

rustbeltvoice

(479 posts)
9. Feeding the hungry is not charity, it is justice.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:38 AM
Oct 30

Feeding the hungry is not charity, it is justice. It is recognising the dignity of the person, food is necessary for life. Denying people food is anti-life, and cruel, it is sinful, and evil. In America people who work at low paying jobs qualify for governmental food aid, because the employers are being in effect subsidised. Some get aid, because they are ill, sick, shut-in, aged, and others are children.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
13. I agree
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 11:45 AM
Oct 30

And as the quote says, it is what civilized people do.

Food, shelter, clothing, and medicine are not privileges, they are basic human rights.

Haggard Celine

(17,644 posts)
24. "Denying people food is anti-life, and cruel,
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 02:21 PM
Oct 30

it is sinful and evil." I agree, and I think that doesn't just apply to Americans. People are hungry all over the world despite there being adequate food. Farmers and others need to make a profit on the food they raise, so food often gets denied to the people who need it most. Also, some countries' leaders take the food available to them and give it to their supporters and deny food to others. The UN should work on that problem. That's something they might be able to do.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
22. That is true
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:55 PM
Oct 30

We have a new type of aristocracy today, but it is the same concept that we've seen throughout history. These people feel they are better than everyone else and as such, entitled to rule over us inferior peons.

surfered

(11,037 posts)
16. And those claiming to be followers of the One who said "Feed the hungry" won't do what he said to do.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:22 PM
Oct 30

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
25. They rarely do
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 03:53 PM
Oct 30

unless it serves them. The words of Jesus mean very little to these people.

liberalla

(10,776 posts)
17. A test of civilization, decency and humanity.
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 12:46 PM
Oct 30

Those qualities probably overlap, but those are the words that immediately came to mind.
The "roots of inequality" could be it's own thread.

ChicagoTeamster

(364 posts)
19. Food Stamps (SNAP), developed during the depression, also worked as a price stabilizer
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 01:44 PM
Oct 30

Farmers were dumping their produce and dairy because due to decreased market demand (not human demand) prices dropped so farmers decreased supply. By giving people food stamps, they could buy food to survive and increase demand so farmers had a market. On top of the tariffs, cutting SNAP also screws farmers once again. And, Vice President J.D. Vance has a past investment in AcreTrader, a financial technology platform that allows investors to buy shares of agricultural land. If more farmers go under because there's fewer buyers, there's more land available to buy.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
27. I hadn't thought of that about
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 03:57 PM
Oct 30

buying up agricultural land.

Pretty soon, they are going to run out of people to screw over. I wonder if someone has a checklist.

ChicagoTeamster

(364 posts)
35. Farm Aid started in 1985 and there's still one this year. It started with headliners like Willie Nelson and Neil Young
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:23 PM
Oct 30

The agro business conglomerates were buying up failing family farms and Farm aid raised money to help them keep their farms. What happened to that spirit?

Diamond_Dog

(39,626 posts)
31. King Dump says the SNAP program is full of fraud and corruption
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 04:33 PM
Oct 30

And his sheeple parrot that line.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
33. That is so often his excuse
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 08:19 PM
Oct 30

for his own illegal and corrupt behavior. And anyone who opposes him is a crook and a liar.

LittleGirl

(8,937 posts)
41. It's so difficult
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 09:47 AM
Oct 31

To receive any government assistance. They take it away Willy nilly and the farmers suffer too…I just can’t anymore.

RVN VET71

(3,112 posts)
36. History will remember the U.S. as the wealthiest nation to fail the test
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 09:34 PM
Oct 30

Even if, by some miracle, we manage to restore democracy and self-respect as a nation, America will always carry the taint of Trump (and, yes, I mean both meanings of the word). It would take a major force of will and determination to get back to where we once belonged -- among the decent nations, that is -- much like Germany after WWII.

PatSeg

(51,939 posts)
39. Yes, though hopefully we'll be remembered
Fri Oct 31, 2025, 09:31 AM
Oct 31

for fighting authoritarianism and winning. I'd like to be optimistic, but right now I'm not sure. We've been heading in this direction for so long it seems, I'm not sure we can reverse direction. Of course, I don't think there is any 'getting back to where we once belonged'; we may survive, but we'll never be the same.

On a more positive note, perhaps Trump is the catalyst that we needed to overcome so many socioeconomic issues that we keep backsliding on. Maybe things had to get so bad in order for people to truly wake up from their lethargy and realize we must change or perish.

Farmer-Rick

(12,402 posts)
37. A society is not judged on how well they keep their kings
Thu Oct 30, 2025, 10:12 PM
Oct 30

But on how they treat the weakest among them.

No one but idiots look at the Nazi regime and think how wonderful that Hitler and his generals got all that wealth to enjoy. No, what every person remembers about Nazi society is how they murdered millions of innocent people.

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