Trump can even that man back from El Salvador tomorrow

[Klarkashton]

On a first class flight. What is all this sour shitty bullshit?

Miller is pissing his pants. This isn't working.

[Ms. Toad]

1. Not unless El Salvador chooses to release him.

Once deported to the El Salvador prison, he is subject to their rules - not ours. We can't just waltz in and say - hey, let me have that prisoner.

Certainly the court should order Trump to take the extraordinary measures requested by his attorneys - but the reality is that even if Trump refuses to pay the $6 million for holding the deportees, the El Salvador government can't be compelled to release him.

(There are people working in El Salvador to get the deportees access to due process - but they are forced to use the El Salvadoran habeas process. I don't know much about El Salvadoran law, but I doubt it offers as much protection on that front as the pitiful protections we offer.)

[Blues Heron]

2. Trump is tight with Bukele, they could have him back tomorrow. This is a choice Trump is making.

[Ms. Toad]

8. As I said - Trump should be ordered to take whatever steps he can to return him.

But regardless of a court order, and regardless of what Trump wants, the choice is now El Salvador's, not ours.

[harumph]

15. when you hold a gun to someone's head, it's not typically seen as a choice.

this "law" stuff is old hat Ms. Toad. There is no doubt in my mind that Trump could "facilitate the release of any prisoner. El Salvador's power such as it is, resides in paper, the trifling stuff on which laws are written. Anyone in the current admin that says Trump can't snap his fingers and make it happen is lying.

[Ms. Toad]

16. If we've reduced ourselves to becoming the worst of the other side,

Advocating for extrajudicial remedies, I am out.

[harumph]

17. Regrettably, Trump is quickly making judicial remedies toothless.

I don't (obviously) think we're there yet. I think laws are a really super
good idea and just wish they were (1) applied somewhat equitably (not asking for perfection), and (2) that they should be enforceable.
But here we are. Laws depend on people for enforcement but the only people subject to enforcement nowadays seem to be people without connections or a lot of money. IMO after Citizens United SCOTUS lost all credibility. Boys in big robes. Learned Hand, they're not. We are quickly becoming a country of men - not laws, and less and less people give a fuck.

[allegorical oracle]

18. Trump can't have it both ways: Strongman of the world -- or the weakling who

is incapable of forcing tiny El Salvador to do us a favor. Afterall, if he's so certain that he can have Greenland and Gaza because he desires them, he can have El Salvador, too.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

3. Why would El Salvador want to keep him. Has he committed crimes in their country? Doesn't make any sense.

I’m sure trump doesn’t want these people hitting the media rounds.

[Ms. Toad]

6. Why would a foreign leader respond to a US court order with, " Oopsie... Too late." ?

I don't know whether it wants to keep him - although some people who are protected against deportation to their home countries are protected because they are at risk from their government.

And even though his protection was because the gangs in El Salvador were targeting, Trump's allegation is that he was a gang member - and Bukele who seems to be fond of Trump might certainly want to keep him in prison as a gang member.

But the real point is that once we send someone to a foreign country, we have no more legal power to get them back. Whether the other country would voluntarily send them back is an entirely different matter.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

12. God you would think there would be some policy for such a contingency and I assume we are paying for this service.

I guess it’s too much to ask for these morons have an agreement to get a mistake back.

How about locking someone up for contempt until they produce the prisoner.

[BBbats]

20. USA $$$ Is Probably Why.

I'll bet their income is tied to how many numbers from the USA they can hold.
Can't say I'm sure about that.
It also sends a sinister threat to anybody who opposes the Great Leader & Teacher.
Once you're in El Salvador,even if you're innocent you've become "Out of our jurisdiction".
Just a matter of time til it's Dem's,Gang!

[JI7]

5. Why wouldn't they release him if we asked ?

Unless this person is suspected of crimes in that country there is no reason for them to want to keep him .

[Ms. Toad]

7. The point is they don't have to .

We have no legal authority over what happens to people once we deport them to another country.

Whether another country would want to keep them is an entirely different matter - but I don't think a country that says, "Oopsie… Too late." when planes heading to them don't turn around as ordered, is likely to want to play nicely with our courts, just because we ask nicely.

[Sogo]

4. I don't understand your headline. Perhaps you could correct it?

Thx.

[Blues Heron]

9. I see it as - trump can even get that man back from El Salvador tomorrow on a first class flight

[ornotna]

14. You're not the only one

It's a head scratcher for sure.

[NH Ethylene]

10. The US is paying El Salvador plenty of money to take these people and imprison them.

They have a business arrangement. If Trump really wanted that prisoner back, I can't see why El Salvador would refuse to do it and risk jeopardizing the relationship.

It's complete BS to maintain that it just can't happen.

On edit: It just occurred to me that this man would have quite the tale to tell upon his return, if that took place. One that would make Trump look very bad. No wonder he is saying it can't be done.

[Sogo]

11. He should also be able to sue for a boatload of $$$$

nt

[AZJonnie]

13. I don't think a person can sue the POTUS generally, besides he'll call it an 'official act'

Which are, per the SCROTUS, always legal. In reality that motherf***er should be in jail right now for kidnapping, false imprisonment, etc.

[Johnny2X2X]

19. This is about $$$ for El Salvador

We are paying them cash to house these people, giving this pwerson back would dry up that cash.

And it's not 1 man, there are certainly many stories just like his. They're sending people to prison based on the fact they have tattoos and nothing more.