Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Dennis Donovan

(28,451 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:38 PM Tuesday

Rep Ocasio-Cortez: It's a massive, illegal power grab that the House and Senate have a sworn duty to stop.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Trump is holding all the nation’s hospitals and vital services hostage to seize power from Congress and hand it over to billionaires.

We must state the truth: this is a constitutional crisis. It’s a massive, illegal power grab that the House and Senate have a sworn duty to stop.
2:51 PM · Jan 28, 2025




62 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Rep Ocasio-Cortez: It's a massive, illegal power grab that the House and Senate have a sworn duty to stop. (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Tuesday OP
Hopefully many join and scream it from every outlet possible. boston bean Tuesday #1
And if the local stations refuse to put them on air SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #35
They will get on. boston bean Tuesday #39
Yes I'm sure Sinclair stations SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #40
Why isn't the rest of our mob standing beside her, or messaging, Magoo48 12 hrs ago #50
So when do impeachment proceedings start? Squaredeal Tuesday #2
We don't have the house Bettie Tuesday #4
Always the same excuse Cirsium Tuesday #18
OH, I think that Dems should be Bettie Tuesday #23
Very good Cirsium Tuesday #37
They need to fight Bettie Tuesday #38
We should bdamomma Tuesday #24
Facts are not an excuse SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #44
yes they are Cirsium Yesterday #48
It's a useless gesture SocialDemocrat61 20 hrs ago #49
I don't agree Cirsium 10 hrs ago #54
That's naive SocialDemocrat61 9 hrs ago #55
Sure Cirsium 5 hrs ago #56
Complete fantasy SocialDemocrat61 5 hrs ago #57
We live in different worlds Cirsium 4 hrs ago #58
Yes I live in the real world. SocialDemocrat61 4 hrs ago #59
No need for that Cirsium 1 hr ago #60
But I do live in the real world SocialDemocrat61 1 hr ago #61
Then they have plenty of time to raise a ruckus. Maybe gather in a group and say Magoo48 12 hrs ago #51
Right? I'd really like to see that Bettie 12 hrs ago #53
You go girl! malaise Tuesday #3
K & R Celerity Tuesday #5
Yes, she stated the truth. Solly Mack Tuesday #6
It's Trump Constitutional Crisis #482 sop Tuesday #7
Thank god someone with a megaphone is speaking out against this ProfessorPlum Tuesday #8
Omg hannah Tuesday #9
and that fat fuck is playing golf. bdamomma Tuesday #25
Well, here is another type of Dem take: John Fetterman Stuns The View Hosts, Defends Meeting With Trump At Mar-A-Lago, Celerity Tuesday #32
Yes, on paper, it is certainly illegal . . . markpkessinger Tuesday #10
He acts like he doesn't need congress, at all DENVERPOPS Tuesday #12
But if neither Congress nor the Supreme Court will hold him accountable . . . markpkessinger Tuesday #17
But we MUST try! And then try again! Think. Again. Tuesday #28
No Cirsium Tuesday #20
this is going to end in violence moonshinegnomie Tuesday #11
millions of relatives will die MadameButterfly Tuesday #13
Indeed, if the options keep narrowing... Trust_Reality Tuesday #14
That seems almost like a given birdographer Tuesday #19
Passivity is a grave error Cirsium Tuesday #22
I appreciate that birdographer Tuesday #42
The opposite Cirsium Yesterday #47
Revenge bdamomma Tuesday #26
Yes indeed birdographer Tuesday #43
It has begun with his violence already. Think. Again. Tuesday #29
why is this lost on other members of Congress? Fight dammit! Evolve Dammit Tuesday #15
She is the leader of the Democratic party! Emile Tuesday #16
I suspect not as far as many other elected Dems are concerned -- KPN Tuesday #21
She is the only one really showing up & she has the charisma to lead. nt TBF Tuesday #31
Thank You AOC !!! Think. Again. Tuesday #27
The GOP congress insists their duty is only to Trump and Putin. Irish_Dem Tuesday #30
K&R orangecrush Tuesday #33
AOC is the future of the party SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #34
I want to see her in Schumers spot yesterday. Passages Tuesday #36
I really hope Schumer retires at the end of his term SocialDemocrat61 Tuesday #41
I sent my Sen- Schumer an e mail (bc it was too late to call) to tell him to Get Passionate (as well as stratigize)... electric_blue68 Tuesday #45
Bravo!!! Arazi Tuesday #46
Brava for speaking up. usonian 12 hrs ago #52
AOC is in the House Mountainguy 1 hr ago #62

boston bean

(36,606 posts)
1. Hopefully many join and scream it from every outlet possible.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 04:44 PM
Tuesday

Local/national/tv/radio/social media. Every single Democrat needs a united message on this and go to their local stations.

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
50. Why isn't the rest of our mob standing beside her, or messaging,
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:14 PM
12 hrs ago

Or all in a group, on the steps, or organizing a sustained protest in their fucking building?

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
18. Always the same excuse
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:52 PM
Tuesday

Somehow Republicans always find a way to relentlessly advance their agenda no matter how few seats they control, no matter how discredited they are, no matter how unpopular their policies are. They do whatever it takes.

Bettie

(17,590 posts)
23. OH, I think that Dems should be
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:09 PM
Tuesday

introducing articles of impeachment pretty much every day, as the magats would, but we need to realize that they will probably not go anywhere, but they should have them in the record at very least.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
37. Very good
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:13 PM
Tuesday

Things can change in a hurry if we fight. Too many Democrats say "we'll fight when we have the seats. GOTV!... and send more money!"

Bettie

(17,590 posts)
38. They need to fight
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:18 PM
Tuesday

even knowing that they lack the power to do more than make noise.

Republicans learned a long time ago that making noise will get the media interested. We need a few metaphorical bomb throwers.

bdamomma

(67,218 posts)
24. We should
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:09 PM
Tuesday

give them a taste of their own medicine. The MAGATS in the House and Senate.

SocialDemocrat61

(3,361 posts)
44. Facts are not an excuse
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:38 PM
Tuesday

Republicans have the majority in the House. There is no way an impeachment resolution would pass.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
48. yes they are
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:36 AM
Yesterday

"Facts" are always the excuse, and there are always some convenient "facts" available to excuse away inaction and failure.

No one said an impeachment would succeed. So what? You can't adjust what you do or don't advocate by some cold blooded calculus about what is practical or possible. Advocate for the impossible. That is what the Abolitionists did. That is what the Suffragettes did. That is what the Freedom Riders did.

You advocate for the right thing because it is the right thing, not because it is practical or even possible, and some day it will be possible. If you don't advocate for the right thing, it will never be possible.

SocialDemocrat61

(3,361 posts)
49. It's a useless gesture
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 04:40 AM
20 hrs ago

Just a ‘feel good’ action for some. Don’t expend political capital on something doomed to failure. It’s a waste of time.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
54. I don't agree
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 02:27 PM
10 hrs ago

Anything that facilitates a robust discussion with the general public about the emergency is valuable.

That doesn't expend political capital, it builds it. There is nothing more important.

We need an all out 24/7 fight not just to save the country, but to save the planet. All of this pick your battles, keep your powder dry, be practical, be realistic crap is exactly what caused this catastrophe. It is not the way out.

SocialDemocrat61

(3,361 posts)
55. That's naive
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 03:36 PM
9 hrs ago

It will fail instantly since republicans control both houses of Congress. Most people aren’t politically engaged, so it won’t facilitate any robust discussion. It’s a complete waste of time and effort.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
56. Sure
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:17 PM
5 hrs ago

So what? I you tailor what you advocate to what is possible there can never be any progress. Besides, the point is not to impeach him, the point is to say that he should be. This is not exactly a complicated proposition. I don't know what people are so afraid of. Maybe after the mid terms it can happen. But start talking about it now. Who knows? Just maybe people will vote for Democrats in the mid terms because we are talking about it, because they know that is what we are going to do. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

Don't start with the assumption that we are going to lose. That's why we lose. Take the fight to them. Now.

The Republicans have been talking about eliminating the ACA from the time it was enacted. The Republicans have been talking about eliminating Social Security for 90 years. They don't sit around "ohhhh, it is not possible at this time, whatever can we do? Once we have more seats we will take a stand."

SocialDemocrat61

(3,361 posts)
57. Complete fantasy
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:46 PM
5 hrs ago

Any resolution for impeachment would be immediately voted down by Republicans. It wouldn't even be sent to committee for hearings. It's a complete waste of time. This is not something will happen if we all wish hard enough for it.
I want to see realistic, effective actions which help people, not useless feel good gestures that accomplish nothing.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
58. We live in different worlds
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 08:41 PM
4 hrs ago

I think we are talking past each other.

Communicating and taking strong stands is not tantamount to "useless feel good gestures that accomplish nothing." That is the arena where the right wing is beating us.

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
51. Then they have plenty of time to raise a ruckus. Maybe gather in a group and say
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:24 PM
12 hrs ago

something like—We hate DC fascists—say it really loud, with some enthusiasm.

Bettie

(17,590 posts)
53. Right? I'd really like to see that
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:43 PM
12 hrs ago

but the majority of them are silent. A few speak up, but not enough.

The time for being polite is long over. Have they even heard what their "colleagues on the other side of the aisle" say? Apparently not.

hannah

(184 posts)
9. Omg
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:51 PM
Tuesday

I just thought , we and all our representatives have WOKE up. This is the fight of our lives. We HAVE to fight back now.

Celerity

(47,553 posts)
32. Well, here is another type of Dem take: John Fetterman Stuns The View Hosts, Defends Meeting With Trump At Mar-A-Lago,
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:36 PM
Tuesday
Says Trump's NY Prosecution And Convictions Were Politically Motivated



markpkessinger

(8,639 posts)
10. Yes, on paper, it is certainly illegal . . .
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 05:52 PM
Tuesday

. . . but the problem is, if we have a House and Senate who are unwilling to hold the president accountable for illegal activities, and a Supreme Court that has declared Trump to be immune from prosecution, then the question arises as to whether we even have laws anymore.

DENVERPOPS

(10,523 posts)
12. He acts like he doesn't need congress, at all
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:19 PM
Tuesday

If they continue to allow Trump to "DICTATE" EVERYTHING, The Republicans, in the House and Senate, are so stupid, they don't realize the next thing he shuts down, will be the Legislative branch, and they will all be out on the street..........Congress can't hold him accountable, interfere, or impeach him, if there is no Congress.......He already has the complete control of the Executive Branch and the Judicial Branch............There will be no need for the Legislative Branch, if he is going to keep MAKING HIS OWN rules and laws, and not even acknowledge existing laws........

On a side note:

He and his group are the equivalent of locking a bunch of monkeys in a room with bushel baskets of hand grenades......

No exaggeration........

markpkessinger

(8,639 posts)
17. But if neither Congress nor the Supreme Court will hold him accountable . . .
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:49 PM
Tuesday

. . . then effectively he doesn't need Congress!

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
20. No
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:02 PM
Tuesday

The problem is that we are more interested in being nice to Republicans and pleasing big donors than we are in fighting back; more interested in beating down the Left tha taking on the extreme right. The Republicans are able to block or cripple the Democrats even when they don't control the legislature. When they can't do that, they go on an all out propaganda blitz on multiple levels.

All social and political change start with, is driven by, advocacy, militant action outside of the electoral process, not the right number of butts in seats in the legislature.

Enough with the excuses.

moonshinegnomie

(2,977 posts)
11. this is going to end in violence
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:03 PM
Tuesday

someones relative is going to die or be seriously hurt from these policies and their families will seek revenge.



Trust_Reality

(1,948 posts)
14. Indeed, if the options keep narrowing...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 06:40 PM
Tuesday

And, it would appear that the fascist members of the Supreme Court are co-conspirators in this power grab - they declared T Rump above the law "when performing official acts".

birdographer

(2,598 posts)
19. That seems almost like a given
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:00 PM
Tuesday

But what if it is a MAGA family? I suspect the response will be the same. We just have to be patient and let their understanding of who they voted for unfold naturally. They WILL be negatively affected one way or another, and they WILL find out it’s all their Dear Leader’s doing.

He is also now going global—not just the movement of innocent immigrants, but he has halted HIV, tuberculosis, and one other disease aid to low-income countries, something that Biden had been doing (don’t know if he started it). Once he starts the tariffs and sanctions and all his controlling wet-dream ideas, the global impact will grow, as will the angry response to it.

I do not believe this will end well for him, and I suspect it will end in the near future.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
22. Passivity is a grave error
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:05 PM
Tuesday

"Be patient and let their understanding of who they voted for unfold naturally?" That doesn't work.

I say, look to history. As for the MAGA supporters ever having any regrets, read what William Shirer discovered when interviewing everyday Germans after WWII. Every German city lay in ruins and millions had been killed.

"There was so much that was true that did not make sense: the monumental apathy of the German people and their deep regret, not that they had started the war, but merely that they had lost it; their whining complaints at the lack of food and fuel and their total lack of sympathy or even interest in the worse plight of the occupied peoples, for which they bore so much responsibility; their boredom at the very mention of the Nuremberg trial, which they were convinced was only an Allied propaganda stunt; their striking unreadiness for, or interest in, democracy, which we, with typical Anglo-Saxon fervor and blindness, were trying to shove down their throats."

― William L. Shirer, End of a Berlin Diary

Their deep regret, was not that they had started the war, but merely that they had lost it.

birdographer

(2,598 posts)
42. I appreciate that
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:28 PM
Tuesday

But that was then, this is now. How long a period is that that is described in that quote? Years?

I’m talking 6 months. And in 2024, not 1945. Oh, I know that we need to look at history and not repeat it, I get that. Did they have the internet to spread information about what Hitler was doing? Were the German people empowered as we are now? (Good grief, spend 6 days in a row not buying ANYTHING, ANYWHERE, and we could bring them to their knees.) Had Hitler been in power, then set on the sidelines, then put back into power by 50% of the population? What you are describing in that quote is donald’s first term. And I am not so sure that anyone was bored by the two impeachments (Nuremberg trials).

I get it, I get it, I get it—history is indeed repeating itself with donald. But Germany in the 1940’s didn’t have a Hitler to compare anything to. We do. And we are Americans, not Germans. When a man kills our mothers and fathers and children, we don’t whine and complain.

I guess you and I have different opinions of Americans and who we are (ignoring the cult—as I said, they will soon see the betrayal).

I am glad I am not as hopeless as it sounds like you are. I’m sorry you have given up.

Cirsium

(1,494 posts)
47. The opposite
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:27 AM
Yesterday

I am saying don't give up. Don't sit back watching it all collapse. Don't place your hope in MAGA cultists waking up. Don't expect that if things get bad that will change people. Fight now. Resist in every way that you can. Be proactive. Don't wait. Don't be in denial about the grave threat. Fight back now. Fight with everything you've got.

The harsh truth should make you burn with a red hot fury and you should have ironclad determination. Never mind "hope" and "hopeless." No time for indulging that. We do the right thing whether or not it seems hopeless. The right thing is to fight this monster with all of your being.

birdographer

(2,598 posts)
43. Yes indeed
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:30 PM
Tuesday

We need to just be patient and wait for it. He will get OUR revenge. And it won’t be pretty.

KPN

(16,268 posts)
21. I suspect not as far as many other elected Dems are concerned --
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 07:04 PM
Tuesday

at least, currently.

electric_blue68

(19,567 posts)
45. I sent my Sen- Schumer an e mail (bc it was too late to call) to tell him to Get Passionate (as well as stratigize)...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:49 PM
Tuesday

about Defending Medicaid.

Heck, he doesn't have worry, money wise. I don't begrudge his salary, I want serious passion which highlights, and empathizes with others vulnerability.

usonian

(15,376 posts)
52. Brava for speaking up.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:28 PM
12 hrs ago

I have been urging (via DU) our former presidents and company to take the lead.

Presidents Biden, Obama, Clinton and Secretary Clinton, will you lead the way?
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219900398

Crickets. (not a blast on dems, just an observation)

LEADERS LEAD

Mountainguy

(1,209 posts)
62. AOC is in the House
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 12:03 AM
1 hr ago

that's where impeachment starts.

Has she submitted the articles yet? If not then I don't know what she's asking be done.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Rep Ocasio-Cortez: It's a...