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(16,071 posts)2020 was an "asterisk" election with voting laws temporarily changed because of the COVID pandemic.
So "robbed" implies votes taken away... in reality it was a failure in GOTV.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)This is how the repubs stole the 2024 election-voter suppression.
WarGamer
(16,071 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)rich7862
(277 posts)Even the military vote from outside the country was trashed. Dejoy, controlling the mail in voting. trump is an illegal president.
HereForTheParty
(521 posts)nm
WarGamer
(16,071 posts)tritsofme
(18,841 posts)BannonsLiver
(18,488 posts)Escurumbele
(3,697 posts)"Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps"? Very good, very informative and factual.
This is how it works:
1. He does the investigation, sometimes using his own money, sometimes he has sponsors.
2. Works for months to do the analysis of the data, to filter it, to make sense of it.
3. He writes his findings.
4. He writes the book
5. Now he is entitled to sell it and hopefully make a profit for all the work he has done, that if you think about it? It is a service to us all.
Now...Democrats KNEW all too well these people were going to cheat, they were warned, they knew the only way trump could win was by cheating, so why didn't the DNC get ready to prevent the cheating? Why is it that Democrats always seem to be reacting instead of being proactive. And what are they doing now to prevent the chaos that has already begun?
Many of you may not agree with my previous paragraph, but these things were known that would happen. I exchanged emails with the guy who runs the DNC in my state, I asked him many times to tell me if Democrats were trying to prevent the cheating that we all knew would happen, he never answered that question.
Sometimes I think Democrats decided to do nothing to allow these crooks to create chaos, to destroy, to inflict pain on people so that next elections they can win easy, but at what cost? The cost is too great, and if my suspensions are correct, trump is taking orders from Putin, the devastation to our government and economy is going to be so immense that it will take many years to recover, and that is if these people don't change the laws to stay in power indefinitely, just like Putin has. I don't think trump will last that long but, the crooks behind him are very dangerous, when there is no patriotism, it becomes very hard to control the traitors, just look at countries like Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,852 posts)Have you posted that?
tritsofme
(18,841 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Palast has the data, but you say hes full of it.
Maybe this is why we lose elections
EdmondDantes_
(215 posts)Palast says he has the data, but doesn't actually have it. He's been selling this same thing for decades now and has never been proven correct.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)tritsofme
(18,841 posts)EdmondDantes_
(215 posts)Wiz Imp
(3,099 posts)He may very well have made it all up for all anyone knows. If the data is real, he needs to show where it came from. He has not done that and likely won't because it's all BS.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Wiz Imp
(3,099 posts)I've read the article at least 5 times. So tell me where he got the number of mail-in ballots disqualified due to a minor error? You say he provides the data so you should be able to tell me.
rich7862
(277 posts)prodigitalson
(3,033 posts)that's the GOP
Polybius
(18,928 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)person who showed up at polls and wasnt allowed to vote at least provisionally. Palsy has nothing but knows some people will believe anything.
We lose elections because of crap like this.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)A voter gets purged. S/he shows up to vote but is not on the rolls. Then given a provisional ballot. Fills it out and cast the p-ballot. It is never counted get it?
Silent Type
(7,880 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Go to: https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
and read...
The only way repubs win is by cheating.
And you are allowed to think anything you want... I choose the truth...
Silent Type
(7,880 posts)a
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)You are not convincing anybody....
tritsofme
(18,841 posts)on the fringes of the internet.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)This is not the 'fringes' of the internet. Republicans cannot win a fair election.
All they had to do is purge enough voters in the swing states and they 'win'.
It is amazing that people are so adamant that this was a fair election...
tritsofme
(18,841 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)tritsofme
(18,841 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Millions of legal voters were purged in the swing states...
tritsofme
(18,841 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)tritsofme
(18,841 posts)Wiz Imp
(3,099 posts)In fact he was dead on with his prediction on what would happen in the 2008 election:
Yep. He teamed up with the very smart and reliable RFK jr and said the 2008 election was already stolen before it even happened. The election that Obama won by 10 million votes.
MichMan
(13,916 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)MichMan
(13,916 posts)I am curious why Whitmer and Benson would do such a thing. Seems odd that they would be involved in a scheme to hurt Harris given they both were actively supporting her campaign.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)MichMan
(13,916 posts)All I see is a lot of unfounded accusations on how the swing states all suppressed votes to get Trump elected.
Wiz Imp
(3,099 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)ForgedCrank
(2,487 posts)This manner of thinking is why we lost, not cheating.
Until we start looking at ourselves and our promoted policy, this will never change. Some may not like it, but the truth is quite often a hard pill to swallow. Most Americans rejected Democratic Party policies and operations. Illegal immigration being one of the larger factors, and I'll admit it, the real numbers are atrocious and the optics are very damaging. We can acknowledge those things and adjust, or continue with Trump=Hitler and keep losing. I choose to win.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)It is interesting that you think that 'Most Americans rejected Democratic Party policies and operations."
ForgedCrank
(2,487 posts)so "interesting" about it? Is that the over-used and tired veiled accusation I am so used to for telling the truth around here?
Yes, most Americans. In case you didn't notice, $%^*% Donald Trump is in office now, Not Kamala Harris, and the Republicans own both houses. That means we lost, because "most Americans" rejected us. It's a math thing.
orleans
(35,511 posts)i think people who do provisional have to take ids in to the county within a period of time otherwise those provisionals don't get counted. if people are not told this or are unaware, then their vote isn't counted
Additional information
If you have any information, identification or documents (e.g. receipt from the Secretary of States Office, copy from a deputy registration form) to show that you are a registered voter or eligible to vote, please:
Provide it to the election judges on Election Day.
Bring it to the Election Authoritys office.
The Election Authoritys office must receive all supporting information before the close of business on the Thursday following Election Day.
(bold is mine)
https://eslelections.illinois.gov/provisional-voting/
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)A provisional ballot voter must go to their county and provide id info and once authenticated, their ballot is counted.
Problem is that most voters don't know to do this...
orleans
(35,511 posts)know to do this
if there are a lot of prov. ballots it could make a real difference
questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Most states people dont have that option
questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)MichMan
(13,916 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)all 4 went to wrong precinct from where they were registered. The wrong precinct still let them file provisional ballots.
In Georgia, you get purged after not voting for like 5 years, then they send one or two mailings, but they still let you vote provisional for a year or two. It takes like 7 years to get purged and its almost always due to moving or just not voting. People can reregister on-line.
questionseverything
(10,377 posts)questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Including about Bidens justice department suing states for it
Silent Type
(7,880 posts)questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Repubs have built entire organizations like, true vote just to take people off the voters rolls but here on du you are saying that isnt true and our last democratic administration wasted time filing lawsuits about it?
Silent Type
(7,880 posts)the suit was a waste of time. Maybe if we had spent more time focusing on real issues -- and not Greg Palast type BS -- we wouldn't have trump now.
questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)Silent Type
(7,880 posts)Groundhawg
(1,080 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Please elaborate!
Oopsie Daisy
(4,950 posts)BannonsLiver
(18,488 posts)All thats missing is Rudy.
Maru Kitteh
(29,449 posts)Alice Kramden
(2,488 posts)Claims Kamala really would've gotten 286 electoral votes, but voter suppression and "Leon's" computers robbed her of it
Emile
(31,831 posts)an election, you really think he would try and steal another election? Yeah, I do too.
Initech
(103,113 posts)SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)He is an investigative journalist with in-depth knowledge on voter purges.
Initech
(103,113 posts)2naSalit
(94,641 posts)Way back in 2000 when W was selected. He actually lost but nobody wanted to do anything about it. It's a pattern if it isn't an actual secret policy we don't know about.
He does the homework and digs into the data. It's almost like election fraud is all he investigates. I am sure he did the real research.
FakeNoose
(36,394 posts)This guy cannot announce the number of purged voters in total and then claim they weren't allowed to vote. It isn't true. Names were purged in almost every state, because the voter registration rolls were matched against the Drivers License rolls. Whenever the state found a discrepancy, they assumed the drivers license rolls were up-to-date and the voter registration rolls were incorrect.
Names were dropped because
1. people move
2. people get married and change their names
3. people die, or become unable to vote (or drive)
4. people sometimes register to vote under a different name, example "Bob Jones" instead of "Robert Jones"
Were city dwellers more likely than rural folks to be purged? Yes because they move more often, they tend to be younger and change jobs and residences more often. Were more Democrats purged than Republicans? Probably, and for the above reasons.
However every voter who discovered they were dropped was able to re-register AND vote. They needed to show a photo ID, and they needed to show proof of their address, just as they did when they qualified for a Drivers License. It's not brain surgery.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Because they were Black, Democrats, and Hispanics.
questionseverything
(10,377 posts)Thats hard to do if you didnt know you were purged
The only places that a person could be purged and actually vote is a state with same day registration
. Please dont say no they could get a provisional ballot because they practically never get counted
I dont understand democrats that cant or wont admit that tptb makes it difficult for poor people to vote
Buddyzbuddy
(253 posts)has all been b.s.. Nothing to see here.
I'm curious what is the all important purpose of purging votes in typically red states if, as you state they're just people who've moved to another state. Where is the "proof" that they're double voting or somebody is impersonating them to vote in the state they moved from.
It is a strategy that works, that's why it's utilized. The only question is the numbers. But if only 1 voter is intentionally prevented from voting, we as Americans should be really pissed off and motivated to recognize, challenge and eliminate this strategy.
If you're sincerely a Democrat, your efforts would be better utilized working positively towards more of us voting instead of negatively attacking our own for no better reason than "I'm right and you're wrong". Ask yourself, what if. What if Palast is right? Even if half the numbers are correct. On the other hand, if it's not true and it's just to sell books, how does that affect you? Or us as Democrats.
B.See
(4,210 posts)denialism, glittering generalities, or willful ignorance. Yeah, I guess "most" people who are purged from rolls can go about re-registering IF THEY KNOW THEY'RE PURGED IN THE FIRST PLACE.
But the simple fact is that when voter "purges" erroneously remove people from rolls, including states that engage in secret removals via QUIETLY dropping voters from rolls for being "inactive" then it is in essence VOTER SUPPRESSION.
And it's NO COINCIDENCE that the people who are hard at work depriving others of their right to VOTE are Republicans. And MOST of us know why.
So I, for one, am not as inclined to make excuses for THAT kind of shit.
Swing states are quietly purging thousands from voter rolls, and legitimate citizens keep getting removed - Fortune
Eligible voters are being swept up in conservative activists' efforts to purge voter rolls - CBS
10 States Purged Over 19 Million Voters Between 2020 and 2022 Electoral Cycles - Truthout This amounts to 8.5 percent of the registered U.S. electorate being prevented from exercising their right to vote.
Protecting Voter Registration: An Assessment of Voter Purge Policies in Ten States - Demos.org
Voter Purges - Brennen Center for Justice
OHIO THEN:
Why Ohio has purged at least 200,000 from the voter rolls - PBS News Hour
AND NOW:
Ohio has purged thousands of voters. Watchdog says it has the worst safeguards - News 5 Cleveland
Buddyzbuddy
(253 posts)supporting information.
Kid Berwyn
(18,892 posts)Greg Palast rocks.
The Truth Buried Alive
By Greg Palast, From The Best Democracy Money Can Buy (Penguin/Plume, 2003)
Source: UTNE Reader
April 2003 Issue
EXCERPT...
Bad news. In July 2001, in the middle of trying to get out the word of the theft of the election in Florida, I was about to become the guinea pig, the test case, for an attempt by a multinational corporation to suppress free speech in the USA using British libel law. I have a U.S.-based Web site for Americans who cant otherwise read my columns or view my BBC television reports. The gold-mining company held my English newspaper liable for aggravated damages for my publishing the story in the USA. If I did not pull the Bush-Barrick story off my U.S. Web site, my paper would face a ruinously costly fight.(1)
Panicked, the Guardian legal department begged me to delete not just the English versions of the story but also my Spanish translation, printed in Bolivia. (Caramba!)
The Goldfingers didnt stop there. [font color="green"]Barricks lawyers told our papers that I personally would be sued in the United Kingdom over Web publications of my story in America, because the Web could be accessed in Britain. The success of this legal strategy would effectively annul the U.S. Bill of Rights.[/font color] Speak freely in the USA, but if your words are carried on a U.S. Web site, you may be sued in Britain. The Declaration of Independence would be null and void, at least for libel law. Suddenly, instead of the Internet becoming a means of spreading press freedom, the means to break through censorship, it would become the electronic highway for delivering repression.
And repression was winning. InterPress Services (IPS) of Washington, DC, sent a reporter to Tanzania with Lissu. They received a note from Barrick that said if the wire service ran a story that repeated the allegations, the company would sue. IPS did not run the story.
I was worried about Lissu. On July 19, 2001, a group of Tanzanian police interest lawyers wrote the nations president asking for an investigationinstead, Lissus law partner in Dar es Salaam was arrested. The police were hunting for Lissu. They broke into his home and office and turned them upside down looking for the names of Lissus sources, his whereabouts and the evidence he gathered on the mine site clearance. This was more than a legal skirmish. Over the next months, demonstrations by vicims families were broken up by police thugs. A member of Parliament joining protesters was beaten and hospitalized. I had to raise cash quick to get Lissu out, and with him, his copies of police files with more evidence of the killings. I called Maude Barlow, the Ralph Nader of Canada, head of the Council of Canadians. Without hesitation, she teamed up with Friends of the Earth in Holland, raised funds and prepared a press conferenceand in August tipped the story to the Globe & Mail, Canadas national paper.
CONTINUED...
Original link busted: http://www.mapcruzin.com/palast-2.htm
Waybac: https://web.archive.org/web/20030627103036/http://www.mapcruzin.com/palast-2.htm
Polybius
(18,928 posts)2020 was different, it was never ever going to be replicated. Mail-in was urged. So many people that never voted gave it a try. Many never voted again because it was "too much work."
Diraven
(1,141 posts)How come their the only party obsessed with doing them?
usonian
(15,376 posts)Posted at: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219947040
copy
by Greg Palast for the Hartmann Report January 24, 2025
https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won.
Hartmann:
https://hartmannreport.com/p/0ef5118a-d23b-4842-8ebc-da9b578f73fc
And, if not for the mass purge of voters of color, if not for the mass disqualification of provisional and mail-in ballots, if not for the new mass vigilante challenges in swing states, Harris would have gained at least another 3,565,000 votes, topping Trumps official popular vote tally by 1.2 million.
Stay with me and Ill give you the means, methods and, most important, the key calculations.
But if youre expecting a sexy story about Elon Musk messing with vote-counting software from outer space, sorry, you wont get that here. As in Bush v. Gore in 2000, and in too many other miscarriages of Democracy, this election was determined by good old vote suppression, the polite term we use for shafting people of color out of their ballot. We used to call it Jim Crow.
They're not original thinkers. Jim Crow must go.
Botany
(72,922 posts)This was on the front end of the steal and Musk & the GRU were in the back end being into
what Trump called, those vote counting computers aka central tabulation units looking @ the
voting data as Musk is there with his ready made tranche of Republican votes from the d-base
of votes that he had data mined with shit like paying $100 to get somebody to register to vote.
Btw Botany =
Wiz Imp
(3,099 posts)Botany
(72,922 posts)Look who is in the White House. End of story.
The Fix was in. I know my stuff. Im not your
trick pony dancing 4 you. I have done election protection work for 20 years.
Do you want to have a Romper Room sharing circle?
That election was as dirty as if you ate two McDonalds
Filet of Fish Sandwiches and your body was like, get that crap out of me, underwear. True story
that happened to me. both my shit filled underwear story and seeing/hearing election dirt up front
of me. The GOP cheats.
Wiz Imp
(3,099 posts)Botany
(72,922 posts)tintinvotes
(52 posts)He cheated on all 3 wives, golf, his taxes and the last election. He was headed to jail if he didn't win, but sure no cheating this time
Btw, the dotard admitted to his followers the night before the inauguration that eloon's fancy vote counting machines are the reason he "won"
Polybius
(18,928 posts)It figures that a lunatic like Kyle Kulinski would promote a conspiracy like this.
Self Esteem
(1,885 posts)But it's funny watching our side make the same baseless accusations that the right spent four years making - and all of us calling out because of how dangerous it was. I guess in the end, neither side has a monopoly on election denialism.
Where does he get these numbers? How can you state with such certainty that 3.5 million of these voters were Harris voters? Did he go and interview every single person to get their intent?
People are purged from voter rolls all the time - yes, even in Blue States. In 2019, California purged 1.5 million voters leading up to the 2020 presidential election.
Plenty of valid voters are removed when they're deemed inactive. How many of the 3.5 million cited here fit that?
This is actually federal law as dictated by the National Voter Registration Act. Guess which president signed that into law?
It starts with a Bill and ends with a Clinton.
Thee are real concerns about voter purging but it does no one any good to spread misinformation and deception. This is how people tune these concerns out. Unless this person has indisputable proof that 3.5 million voters went to the polls on election day with the intent to vote for Harris, but were denied a provisional ballot and were unable to vote - then sensationalizing election security does no one any good.
To quote Joe Biden, "you can't just accept the election results when you win...".
Mountainguy
(1,209 posts)When your team went 5/17 from the foul line.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)Democratic voters were singled out for voter suppression via voter purges. Black, brown, and younger Democrats were identified and removed. Palast is an investigative reporter who analyzed the data.
This isn't misinformation. Millions of eligible Dem voters were purged.
And get this: the Supreme Court ruled that these purges are 'legal'. There is zero oversight in these purges.
So, not this isn't dangerous rhetoric. We need to scream that these purges are anti-democratic and needs to be heavily regulated.
Self Esteem
(1,885 posts)Nothing in this article suggests these people even attempted to vote.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)So, if you were purged from the voter rolls, how could there be evidence that you tried to vote?
And why are so many here fighting and demanding there was no voter purges and everything was above board? Interesting
Self Esteem
(1,885 posts)The claim is that Harris was robbed of these voters. The onus is on the person making the claim. To prove that is the case, you would have to find the intent of every single one of these voters. Nowhere in this article is that done. We don't know whether these people are inactive voters, who haven't voted in multiple presidential elections, relocated voters whose information wasn't updated correctly - or if they even planned on voting. Or maybe they did vote but got a provisional ballot.
The post is making massive assumptions with that number.
SnoopDog
(2,524 posts)If I may, read up on Republican Voter Purges...
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