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HAB911

(9,453 posts)
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:17 AM Tuesday

From Malcolm Nance on Bsky

https://bigthink.com/the-present/the-3-5-percent-solution/

No democracy movement has ever failed when it was able to mobilize at least 3.5 percent of the population to protest over a sustained period At that scale, most soldiers have no desire to suppress protesters. Why? Because the crowd includes their family members, friends, coworkers, and neighbors. With a population of 327 million, the U.S. would need to mobilize about 11.5 million people to assert popular, democratic power on the government. Could that happen?
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From Malcolm Nance on Bsky (Original Post) HAB911 Tuesday OP
Yes................... Lovie777 Tuesday #1
Yes, yes, yes. Magoo48 Tuesday #33
Coincidentally... Hugin Tuesday #2
Yes, it can happen.... FarPoint Tuesday #3
Leadership meaning Congressional Dems? newdeal2 Tuesday #12
We can be the leaders who lead elected leaders, too. Both groups can act together in ways that wake up the beaten down. ancianita Tuesday #18
It has to happen - soon. NewHendoLib Tuesday #4
TSF is a stark raving lunatic. Prairie_Seagull Tuesday #5
It's on! liberalla Tuesday #6
Any US troop who would fire on American citizens to please Trump and his cabal of psychopaths hadEnuf Tuesday #7
The J6ers should have been mowed down. Lucky Luciano Tuesday #9
The J6ers were trying to overthrow the government and execute people. hadEnuf Tuesday #13
That unfortunately might be the catalyst oldmanlynn Tuesday #15
Sure. But fortunately enough people know that freedom is hard, and so worth fighting for. ancianita Tuesday #19
I'm in. n/t mtngirl47 Tuesday #8
How does that work if geographically focused? RockCreek Tuesday #10
Actually, what could be even more impactful, though less likely... OneGrassRoot Tuesday #11
Who is going to lead the effort? oldmanlynn Tuesday #14
that's the problem HAB911 Tuesday #17
I'm 76 but I know there will be plenty for me to do if I keep my eyes open. Magoo48 Tuesday #34
Malcolm Nance has this government game figured out, with data to prove it. bucolic_frolic Tuesday #16
I miss Malcolm Bohunk68 17 hrs ago #42
Awaken the spirit of massive civil disobedience? PatrickforB Tuesday #20
The time to start is now. 58Sunliner Tuesday #21
As long as you and all elected Democrats AKwannabe Tuesday #22
yeah, better not to do anything HAB911 Tuesday #24
I just said as long as the elected Democrats are out there with us AKwannabe Tuesday #27
In all fairness HAB911 Tuesday #28
THIS Blue_playwright Yesterday #39
Not a matter of "could", but rather a matter of "will." ananda Tuesday #23
With one third of America batshit crazy or otherwise conned Rustynaerduwell Tuesday #25
Not Unless It Was Something Major Deep State Witch Tuesday #26
Oh man! That would take effort. Hotler Tuesday #29
Theoretically, yes. Unfortunately Americans Hassler Tuesday #30
Where and when? lame54 Tuesday #31
Right On Baron2024 Tuesday #32
I guess I'm going to need a good pair of walking shoes. Buddyzbuddy Tuesday #35
I'm still mobile Evolve Dammit Tuesday #36
DJT has his fanatical followers, the core of his Blackshirts. malthaussen Tuesday #37
Indivisible.org might be a good place to start. Jacoby365 Tuesday #38
My local county in Upstate. Bohunk68 17 hrs ago #43
it's going to have to happen. SleeplessinSoCal 23 hrs ago #40
Good Post Baron2024 23 hrs ago #41

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
33. Yes, yes, yes.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:32 PM
Tuesday

Don’t sit this one out folks. The bell has rung; it’s time to respond.

newdeal2

(1,380 posts)
12. Leadership meaning Congressional Dems?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:34 AM
Tuesday

I don't expect any of them to lead such a protest. Or be inspiring enough to start one.

No, it has to be from outside Washington and from the bottoms up. I don't think enough pain has been incurred to get 10+ million people protesting at this point. But we may get there eventually.

ancianita

(39,260 posts)
18. We can be the leaders who lead elected leaders, too. Both groups can act together in ways that wake up the beaten down.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:39 AM
Tuesday

Prairie_Seagull

(3,904 posts)
5. TSF is a stark raving lunatic.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:56 AM
Tuesday

Now more than ever, I'm in.

I would risk everything for my kids and my country.

Bring on the porta potties.

I'd follow Nance.

hadEnuf

(2,905 posts)
7. Any US troop who would fire on American citizens to please Trump and his cabal of psychopaths
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:29 AM
Tuesday

is worthless at the very least.

Lucky Luciano

(11,551 posts)
9. The J6ers should have been mowed down.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:31 AM
Tuesday

…but understood that you had the caveat about pleading fuckface..

hadEnuf

(2,905 posts)
13. The J6ers were trying to overthrow the government and execute people.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:48 AM
Tuesday

Previous demonstrations, although often unruly, never even came close to that.

oldmanlynn

(554 posts)
15. That unfortunately might be the catalyst
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:30 AM
Tuesday

That may be the catalyst for getting people to start opening their eyes and focused in on what’s going on

ancianita

(39,260 posts)
19. Sure. But fortunately enough people know that freedom is hard, and so worth fighting for.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:47 AM
Tuesday

RockCreek

(814 posts)
10. How does that work if geographically focused?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:32 AM
Tuesday

Eg: northeast and west coast provide the vast majority and small numbers turn out in liberal cities of red states. What does that geographical splitting do to the needed 3.5%?

OneGrassRoot

(23,499 posts)
11. Actually, what could be even more impactful, though less likely...
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 09:33 AM
Tuesday

is if military family members and LEO family members were to mass protest.

HAB911

(9,453 posts)
17. that's the problem
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:38 AM
Tuesday

I'm not seeing that leader with the platform to ignite it, but then it has only been a week

Magoo48

(5,742 posts)
34. I'm 76 but I know there will be plenty for me to do if I keep my eyes open.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:43 PM
Tuesday

I have three children and six grandchildren, I’m not about to sit around waiting on the array of probabilities our next election depends upon.
Both hope and despair can be paralyzing, most of the work gets done in the middle somewhere. Forget who said that, but it rings true.

bucolic_frolic

(48,218 posts)
16. Malcolm Nance has this government game figured out, with data to prove it.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:32 AM
Tuesday

America should listen.

Bohunk68

(1,367 posts)
42. I miss Malcolm
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:25 AM
17 hrs ago

Used to hear him every morning on our local PBS station, WAMC out of Albany. Then he went to fight in Ukraine. Wish they would carry him again. BTW, this is my first post in a long time and glad to be back. Have kept up with the posts here.

PatrickforB

(15,144 posts)
20. Awaken the spirit of massive civil disobedience?
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:49 AM
Tuesday

Many young voters 'broke for Trump' because they felt the Dem party was taking them for granted. Our whole election last year was the Dems waving the 'scary Republicans' in our faces, and younger voters didn't buy it.

Stuff I'm reading and hearing says we need to pound on THE ECONOMY. It is the number one issue and according to a new Gallup Front Page report, the biggest 'problem' Americans see is the government, followed by the economy, followed by immigration and inflation as fourth.

Our current antiquated superannuated leadership ignoring people like AOC for important positions over cancerous septagenarians becaust it is 'their turn' are GOING THE WRONG WAY. I'm freezing my donations for any Democratic party pac, the DNC, and the congressional groups UNTIL THEY BEGIN PUTTING MORE DYNAMIC PEOPLE ON THESE COMMITTEES.

I will, however still donate to AOC and a select few others - those who seem to have a spine and are not just expressing 'quiet outrage.'

AKwannabe

(6,521 posts)
22. As long as you and all elected Democrats
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:56 AM
Tuesday

Are out there with us getting shot and whatever else….just saying.

Protests are exactly what Rump wants so he can invoke martial law.

Thought about that Nance? I doubt it and I HIGHLY doubt you have a plan to be in the streets.

Next post…

AKwannabe

(6,521 posts)
27. I just said as long as the elected Democrats are out there with us
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:32 AM
Tuesday

I am game but they need skin in the game too. Nance literally asking people to do what HE WILL NOT be doing.

Fuck that.


And. Since you don’t know me, you can’t possibly know what I am doing. I won’t be announcing any of it. I’ll just be doing it.
It isn’t for the glory.

Next post…doing nothing

HAB911

(9,453 posts)
28. In all fairness
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:36 AM
Tuesday

you don't know what Nance will be doing. He went to Ukraine, and I expect he will be "doing something"

I agree about elected Democrats, not seeing much action there yet

Blue_playwright

(1,579 posts)
39. THIS
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 12:16 AM
Yesterday

The chaos is about marital law. 100 percent. Cause harm and chaos, get some protests, have law enforcement attack the crowds, declare martial law.

He's trying to beat Hitler's 53 days to dictatorship.

ananda

(31,136 posts)
23. Not a matter of "could", but rather a matter of "will."
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:07 AM
Tuesday

Of course we could.

But will we?

Rustynaerduwell

(737 posts)
25. With one third of America batshit crazy or otherwise conned
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 11:20 AM
Tuesday

We must not only harness 11 million people in sustained protest, but we must leverage that number against a stupified population ten times bigger and often louder.

Hassler

(3,923 posts)
30. Theoretically, yes. Unfortunately Americans
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 01:41 PM
Tuesday

Have become so atomized, siloed and convinced by "influencer " propaganda that it's all about the individual. Teamwork is a lost art that needs to be cultivated.

Baron2024

(675 posts)
32. Right On
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 03:06 PM
Tuesday

3.5 percent of the population is the same proportion that fought in the Revolutionary War. If we could mobilize roughly 12 million people we might stop this fascist debacle.

malthaussen

(17,841 posts)
37. DJT has his fanatical followers, the core of his Blackshirts.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 08:18 PM
Tuesday

Mostly, they are in ICE and Treasury. There are a significant number of Trumpistas in the military, but they are overbalanced by the percentage that would not do his bidding if push came to shove. He can make trouble in small ways (ICE raids, eg, since ICE is almost a wholly-owned subsidy), but he'll find it harder to make trouble in large ways.

These people will shoot their own mothers if Donny commanded it, but they are few. But if unopposed, a few can create a lot of problems.

-- Mal

Jacoby365

(478 posts)
38. Indivisible.org might be a good place to start.
Tue Jan 28, 2025, 10:50 PM
Tuesday

They are organizing around the country with local groups, and they are looking for people to start groups. They had some large protests during the first tRump term.

Bohunk68

(1,367 posts)
43. My local county in Upstate.
Wed Jan 29, 2025, 07:29 AM
17 hrs ago

My local county, Schoharie, which is very red, has started this group with our new female county Dem head. I am a rep from one of the local towns.

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