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BlueWaveNeverEnd

(10,847 posts)
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 07:36 AM Jan 20

new poll Support Deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally, Repubs: 93%. Dems: 43%

https://www.axios.com/2025/01/19/poll-americans-mass-deportation-policies-trump

Americans favor deporting undocumented immigrants, until they're asked how

Most U.S. adults (9 in 10 Republicans and close to half of Democrats) say they support mass deportations of immigrants living in the country illegally — but that enthusiasm quickly erodes when presented with options over how to carry them out, according to a new Axios-Ipsos poll.

Why it matters: President-elect Trump has vowed to initiate one of the "largest mass deportations in U.S. history" starting early in his return to the White House. Beyond the logistical obstacles, costs and possible pain to the U.S. economy, the survey suggests Americans could quickly sour on deportations depending on how they are carried out.

By the numbers: Two-thirds of all Americans surveyed said they support deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally.

Among Republicans, support was at 93%, followed by 67% for independents and 43% for Democrats.
But just 38% of Americans support using active-duty military to find and detain undocumented immigrants in U.S. cities and towns; and only 28% want to use money allocated for the military to pay for deportations.

Just one in three endorse separating families or sending people to countries other than their country of origin in the interest of speed. And just one in three support deporting those who came to the U.S. as children

The trends largely track with findings from a Ipsos-Syracuse University poll from November from which the questions were replicated. But the new survey shows even less support for use of active-duty military, or military funds, than the survey from two months ago.
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new poll Support Deporting immigrants who are in the country illegally, Repubs: 93%. Dems: 43% (Original Post) BlueWaveNeverEnd Jan 20 OP
I forget which stage of fascism is making immigrants the scapegoat JT45242 Jan 20 #1
I suspect they'll grab Tickle Jan 20 #2
I think details matter genxlib Jan 20 #3
What happens post mass deportation when poor maga's lives aren't any better? Buckeyeblue Jan 20 #4
DEI; LGBT+ Atheists; union members; opposition party members... EarthFirst Jan 20 #5
I'm sure Fox News will keep the fearmongering going. Initech Jan 20 #10
MAGA patriots start shooting up black churches Blue_Tires Jan 20 #16
How many of all Americans - including MAGAts - wouldn't be here if not for immigrants?? Rhiannon12866 Jan 20 #6
Everyone except the indigenous people. SteveMarrs Jan 20 #7
Excellent point, and incredibly sad. We could have learned so much from them since they knew the land Rhiannon12866 Jan 20 #11
After criminals, the next group will be those who have had their asylum claims denied after being given a hearing. MichMan Jan 20 #8
Enjoy the rising cost of living in America. republianmushroom Jan 20 #9
immigrants' low pay is exploitation kiri Jan 20 #14
I agree Renew Deal Jan 20 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 20 #15
Is this really a good reason to not do it? Renew Deal Jan 20 #21
Did they ask them if they will support it financially? Hey bozo...the cost is 1 trillion...fork it over PortTack Jan 20 #12
If it's that high on either side, our country is truly lost. ananda Jan 20 #13
There wouldn't be an "illegal immigration problem" if businesses weren't hiring them. valleyrogue Jan 20 #17
YEAH why is it we never hear about the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS - they Kashkakat v.2.0 Jan 20 #18
This seems appropriate. Ping Tung Jan 20 #19
It seems like they didn't offer border patrol options Renew Deal Jan 20 #20

JT45242

(3,222 posts)
1. I forget which stage of fascism is making immigrants the scapegoat
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 07:41 AM
Jan 20

It won't be long before we resemble the third Reich, Mussolini's Italy, etc.

The big lies have worked.

Tickle

(3,808 posts)
2. I suspect they'll grab
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 08:11 AM
Jan 20

violent immigrants at first. The more we see "bad" people being deported the more people be accepting.
However, it's what happens next that has me worried 🙁

genxlib

(5,857 posts)
3. I think details matter
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 09:21 AM
Jan 20

I see three levels of potential involvement for the military that will have vastly different reactions.

Transportation logistics will be widely accepted if most military planes or trucks are used to move people around

Detention camps on bases with military guards will be less comfortable. But I suspect they will not trigger huge backlash primarily because they can be held in secret with limited press access on the bases

The real controversy will be when they are used for enforcement. The sight of armed soldiers conducting raids in the US will be inflammatory beyond belief. The visuals alone will be controversial. God forbid some immigrants actually get hurt or killed in the process. But I suspect we will never see that. Not because it won’t happen. I suspect the devious minds in charge of this shit will come up with some way to deputize entire platoons into ICE to hide in plain sight. For the cost of a few duplicate uniforms, they could make the visuals match the story. Problem solved.

Buckeyeblue

(5,844 posts)
4. What happens post mass deportation when poor maga's lives aren't any better?
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 10:48 AM
Jan 20

They'll have to blame something else. I'm sure the list is plentiful.

EarthFirst

(3,580 posts)
5. DEI; LGBT+ Atheists; union members; opposition party members...
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 10:53 AM
Jan 20

There’s probably 90 million of us that aren’t fit to be included in the fascist MAGA regime…

SteveMarrs

(22 posts)
7. Everyone except the indigenous people.
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jan 20

There would be no America. Sad thought, how many tribes where wiped out by foreign invaders these last 500 years. Answer; too many. (God I need a hit or better yet an illegal smile). Stay safe.

Rhiannon12866

(231,329 posts)
11. Excellent point, and incredibly sad. We could have learned so much from them since they knew the land
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 12:27 PM
Jan 20

But for those of us who aren't Native American, we all came from immigrants who were brave enough to make the journey to a new home. I'm Dutch (17th century), Irish (19th century) and Polish (early 20th century). And welcome to DU.

MichMan

(14,691 posts)
8. After criminals, the next group will be those who have had their asylum claims denied after being given a hearing.
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 12:17 PM
Jan 20

By current law, they received due process, are already expected to self deport, and if not, put on a deportation list. Given that well over half of asylum claims are denied, that would be quite a few people.

kiri

(926 posts)
14. immigrants' low pay is exploitation
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 01:28 PM
Jan 20

"Enjoy the rising cost of living in America."

This is a double-edged warning/prophecy.

We know that immigrants earn very little money and their families often live in poverty. I do not believe that we should rejoice in exploitation.












Renew Deal

(83,711 posts)
22. I agree
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 03:47 PM
Jan 20

Keeping prices down via illegal immigration has been supported by some factions on the right. I think people can make arguments for limiting deportations, but this one isn't one of them in my opinion.

Response to republianmushroom (Reply #9)

Renew Deal

(83,711 posts)
21. Is this really a good reason to not do it?
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 03:45 PM
Jan 20

To me, the argument that things will get more expensive seems like justification to exploit people.

PortTack

(35,452 posts)
12. Did they ask them if they will support it financially? Hey bozo...the cost is 1 trillion...fork it over
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 01:19 PM
Jan 20

ananda

(31,433 posts)
13. If it's that high on either side, our country is truly lost.
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 01:26 PM
Jan 20

Meaning... so many Americans have lost their fucking minds.

The ignorance, bigotry, and stupidity is just .. well .. deplorable.

valleyrogue

(1,945 posts)
17. There wouldn't be an "illegal immigration problem" if businesses weren't hiring them.
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 01:46 PM
Jan 20

This is why it is the stupidest issue of all time.

No demand for "illegal immigrants," no problem with them.

Kashkakat v.2.0

(1,935 posts)
18. YEAH why is it we never hear about the ILLEGAL EMPLOYERS - they
Mon Jan 20, 2025, 03:27 PM
Jan 20

actually prefer their employees to be illegal so they dont have to pay them fair wages or follow US laws re working conditions.

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