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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBlue state secession? No. Blue state denziens leaving America? Yes.
The goal of the Republican party is to run America like they run red states like Louisiana and Oklahoma. Defunded public schools. Christian nationalist indoctrination. No healthcare. Jobs that pay crap wages. Universities that teach American propaganda, etc. etc. Eventually, the best and the brightest of us will leave the USA just like they currently leave red states for blue states. There's a reason why so many talented people cluster into extremely expensive blue cities like SF, CHI, NYC, LA, Boston. It's because of the opportunities, liberal tolerance of differences, and education.
If these blue cities succumb to being run like red states, then our best, brightest, hardest working people will leave the US as well. There are better countries in the world to live, raise a family, and seek out opportunities. America is about to experience a brain drain like nobody has ever seen before. We already have to import talent from overseas to work in our most demanding industries. That talent won't come to a nation that's outright hostile to immigrants.
As Trump isolates us from the world, the world will move on without us. China is far ahead of us when it comes to EVs. BYD is the world's number one selling EVs, and most Americans don't even know that. They are cheaper and better than Tesla, but it's tariffs that keep them out of the US market. Other countries already surpass us on education and healthcare. Meanwhile, we're bringing back Christian indoctrination into the classroom.
When we lose our most talented people, our industries will suffer, and they will leave as well. Right now, red states offer generous tax incentives for businesses to set up shop in their state. But there's a reason why big tech is in Silicon Valley and not Shreveport, LA. Lack of local talent.

2naSalit
(95,919 posts)On steroids.
Blue Full Moon
(1,834 posts)One problem with their thinking. The blue states foot the bill for the red ones. That's why the red states are jealous of the blue ones. If they would shrug off the republicans they could be prosperous. They are creating their own misery and want everyone else to be miserable too.
mercuryblues
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hadEnuf
(3,022 posts)Many of their top minds got out while they could. Many others perished in camps or were executed for their political mindsets.
Asa13
(43 posts)Im born and raised in the US lost to many family members, friends, brothers in defense of this country. I'm not running away now that my country needs someone to stand for it and fight
New Haven
(1,083 posts)Yavin4
(37,115 posts)Tons of videos about Americans living all over the world. It's far more common that what most people think.
Beck23
(358 posts)Please, we need people to stay and fight.
Initech
(104,073 posts)Vance is extremely unpopular, it's going to take a lot to pass his agenda.
Magoo48
(6,041 posts)Initech
(104,073 posts)Right now it's the calm before the storm.
MayReasonRule
(2,475 posts)May Darwin serve us well.
Yavin4
(37,115 posts)If he destroys our govt from within, he won't consider that a failure just the opposite.
Figarosmom
(4,729 posts)dchill
(41,563 posts)...there are hundreds more who don't and won't.
Lulu KC
(7,335 posts)but we'll see.
dchill
(41,563 posts)But there will come a time when you won't have a choice.
dchill
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cstanleytech
(27,471 posts)GP6971
(34,226 posts)your comments. Right?
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GP6971
(34,226 posts)Response to GP6971 (Reply #11)
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GP6971
(34,226 posts)if youre planning on being here long.
Irish_Dem
(65,593 posts)where they can go if things get worse.
Countries which are sane, where they can live in peace from the ugliness of the US.
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GP6971
(34,226 posts)Irish_Dem
(65,593 posts)Irish_Dem
(65,593 posts)Some of them died fighting for the USA.
Your comment is a lie.
Lying and insulting people is a very weak argument.
You have nothing.
TBF
(35,055 posts)I'd love to leave but my husband likes his job so we're staying. But we are trying to figure out a way to get my daughter back to Europe (she went to college abroad). My husband is the only one of us with dual citizenship w/another country, unfortunately it doesn't pass down to our kids. I grew up in the Midwest and never imagined leaving this country. But it feels like a different place now, than when i was growing up.
This country is headed in a very bad direction.
It is not safe for certain groups.
FakeNoose
(36,836 posts)What has happened to our beautiful country, our Great Society, our "noble experiment"?
Hekate
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GP6971
(34,226 posts)niyad
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GP6971
(34,226 posts)You should know better by now.
niyad
(122,596 posts)Hekate
(96,606 posts)My husband's family is but the latest.
A few days or weeks to grieve, and my Democratic friends will be on their feet and looking for the next thing to do to keep this Union together.
niyad
(122,596 posts)GP6971
(34,226 posts)cranberries.
niyad
(122,596 posts)Hekate
(96,606 posts)Elessar Zappa
(16,308 posts)Its not going to be a huge exodus unless things really go South and Trump starts jailing dissidents, which has a very low chance of happening.
Yavin4
(37,115 posts)Instead, he's president, again.
Initech
(104,073 posts)
Ping Tung
(1,764 posts)Mike 03
(18,211 posts)Takket
(22,913 posts)if you are wondering why they keep pushing converting public schools, essentially, into churches. it isn't because they are worried about kids learning about "God". It is because they don't want kids learning about math, science, history, and everything else that eventually creates a well educated LIBERAL American.
Reality had a liberal bias. So get rid of reality.
Except CCP China obviously should not be held up as some sort of ideal because of EV etc.
The Wizard
(13,092 posts)should be put in escrow until red states are self sufficient. Close all military installations in the slave states. Civil War reconstruction has lasted far too long.
J_William_Ryan
(2,499 posts)Correct.
Which is why theres no reason to leave.
Yavin4
(37,115 posts)Your idea of him failing is not the same as his supporters' idea of him failing.