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Dennis Donovan

(26,758 posts)
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 07:04 AM Nov 28

AlterNet: 'America depends on it': Nobel-winning economist reveals key lesson Dems must learn from 2024

AlterNet - 'America depends on it': Nobel-winning economist reveals key lesson Dems must learn from 2024



Democrats were hoping to convince enough Americans that their management of the post-pandemic economy was good enough to keep them in power. But after a majority of voters instead chose to send President-elect Donald Trump back to the White House, one top economist argues that Democrats have an important lesson to learn if they hope to win future elections.

In a Thursday op-ed for the Guardian, Joseph Stiglitz — the former chief economist for the World Bank who won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 2001 — said Democrats merely offering tweaks to the current economic order is no longer sufficient. While he credited President Joe Biden's administration for guiding the United States through the initial post-Covid spike in inflation rates and maintaining a near-full employment economy (the U.S. had the best economic recovery of all G7 nations in the wake of the pandemic), it "wasn't good enough."

"Americans haven’t forgotten that the Democrats let loose the financial sector (Clinton), then bailed out the banks while homeowners and workers who lost their jobs in the Great Recession carried the cost (Barack Obama). Moreover, it was Clinton who unleashed globalization, tacitly believing in a trickle-down economics that would ultimately benefit everyone," Stiglitz wrote. "The only real difference between Democrats and Republicans on this score is that Democrats claimed to feel the pain of those who were losing out."

Stiglitz emphasized that Trump's economy won't be friendly for most working-class Americans. He noted that Trump ran on and may enact another tax cut package that will overwhelmingly benefit the rich at the expense of workers, repeal the Affordable Care Act and implement broad tariffs that will harm both consumers and small businesses alike. He defined Trump's economic vision as "ersatz capitalism, run for and by the powerful" with the guiding principle that "money matters above all else."

"Like nationalists everywhere, Trump blames America’s problems on outside forces, from immigration to 'unfair' trade' But while it is true that neither issue has been managed very well, his proposed solutions would be disastrous for the US economy and the world," Stiglitz argued. "The extent to which his voters understood this is unclear. Most seem to have been drawn to the political theatre. They wanted to send a message of dissatisfaction, and now they have done so."

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AlterNet: 'America depends on it': Nobel-winning economist reveals key lesson Dems must learn from 2024 (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Nov 28 OP
As good as this statement is... Hugin Nov 28 #1
Voters know that trump wasn't president the last four years. jimfields33 Nov 28 #3
You're wrong. Hugin Nov 28 #4
He had no power on paper, but Republicans in Congress did what he wanted. Mariana Nov 28 #6
Threats and intimidation... Hugin Nov 28 #8
They weren't just afraid of losing their seats. Mariana Nov 28 #9
Voters can't connect the dots on Trump let alone going back to Clinton underpants Nov 28 #2
Most Americans think Clinton was great on the economy JI7 Nov 28 #5
Thanks for posting. Here's the Guardian's piece by Stiglitz: appalachiablue Nov 28 #7
So according to him Clinton and Obama were terrible. BannonsLiver Nov 28 #10

Hugin

(34,700 posts)
1. As good as this statement is...
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 07:17 AM
Nov 28

It was a missed opportunity to emphasize that Trump, through his highly illegal and unethical shadow government, torpedoed a bi-partisan immigration reform bill so that he could run on the issue as “the only one who could solve it”.

jimfields33

(19,211 posts)
3. Voters know that trump wasn't president the last four years.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:18 AM
Nov 28

He had no power to do a thing. Running his mouth was annoying and still is.

Mariana

(15,173 posts)
6. He had no power on paper, but Republicans in Congress did what he wanted.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:54 AM
Nov 28

He was and is more popular among their voters than they are, and they know it.

Hugin

(34,700 posts)
8. Threats and intimidation...
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:11 AM
Nov 28

Mostly on “primaring” them. Using the examples of Liz Cheney and others.

The ouster of Kevin McCarthy was another machination. The Quid-pro-quo of that was Matt Gaetz’s AG nomination, if anyone is interested.

Meetings and phone calls with Orban, Putin, and who knows who else. If these aren’t the actions of a shadow government, I don’t know what else to call it.

Mariana

(15,173 posts)
9. They weren't just afraid of losing their seats.
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:18 AM
Nov 28

None of them want to be receiving thousands of death threats from the MAGAts because they dared to oppose Trump.

underpants

(186,983 posts)
2. Voters can't connect the dots on Trump let alone going back to Clinton
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 07:23 AM
Nov 28

Stiglitz should know the bailouts were pre-Obama. He extended one bailout but did push Quantitative Easing.

JI7

(90,738 posts)
5. Most Americans think Clinton was great on the economy
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:49 AM
Nov 28

Last edited Thu Nov 28, 2024, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1)

the problem here is he assumes people that are so ignorant of current news have a detailed view of the past.

The far left that hates Clinton always prefers Republicans over Democrats.

Most Americans that are casual voters are just looking at how expensive fast food is and similar things. They aren't thinking of what policy Clinton did .

They aren't even looking at Biden in terms of policy. They just see he is older and not physically like he was before and think he was not up to the job.

These people easily fall for simplistic things that require no understanding of what is actually happening.



appalachiablue

(42,982 posts)
7. Thanks for posting. Here's the Guardian's piece by Stiglitz:
Thu Nov 28, 2024, 08:54 AM
Nov 28

'The message to Democrats is clear: you must dump neoliberal economics,' by Joseph Stiglitz, The Guardian, Nov. 28, 2024.

The party must return to its progressive roots. A new economy is needed with new rules and new roles...
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/nov/28/the-message-to-democrats-is-clear-you-must-dump-neoliberal-economics

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