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Dennis Donovan

(25,503 posts)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:10 AM 20 hrs ago

The Atlantic: We're About to Find Out How Much Americans Like Vaccines

The Atlantic - (archived: https://archive.ph/dtOA1 ) We’re About to Find Out How Much Americans Like Vaccines

Empowering Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will test one of American public health’s greatest successes.

By Daniel Engber
November 20, 2024, 7:30 AM ET

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nominee to be the next secretary of Health and Human Services, is America’s most prominent vaccine skeptic. An advocacy organization that he founded and chaired has called the nation’s declining child-immunization rates “good news,” and referred to parents’ lingering doubts about routine shots as COVID-19’s “silver lining.” Now Kennedy may soon be overseeing the cluster of federal agencies that license and recommend vaccines, as well as the multibillion-dollar program that covers the immunization of almost half the nation’s children.

Which is to say that America’s most prominent vaccine skeptic could have the power to upend, derail, or otherwise louse up a cornerstone of public health. Raising U.S. vaccination rates to where they are today took decades of investment: In 1991, for example, just 82 percent of toddlers were getting measles shots; by 2019, that number had increased to 92 percent. The first Trump administration actually presided over the historic high point for the nation’s immunization services; now the second may be focused on promoting vaccines’ alleged hidden harms. Kennedy has said that he doesn’t want to take any shots away, but even if he were to emphasize “choice,” his leadership would be a daunting test of Americans’ commitment to vaccines.

In many ways, the situation is unprecedented: No one with Kennedy’s mix of inexperience and paranoid distrust has ever held the reins at HHS. He was trained as a lawyer and has no training in biostatistics or any other research bona fides—the sorts of qualifications you’d expect from someone credibly evaluating vaccine efficacy. But the post-pandemic era has already given rise to at least one smaller-scale experiment along these lines. In Florida, vaccine policies have been overseen since 2021 by another noted skeptic of the pharmaceutical industry, State Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. (Kennedy has likened Ladapo to Galileo—yes, the astronomer who faced down the Roman Inquisition.) Under Ladapo’s direction, the state has aggressively resisted federal guidance on COVID-19 vaccination, and its department of health has twice advised Floridians not to get mRNA-based booster shots. “These vaccines are not appropriate for use in human beings,” Ladapo declared in January. His public-health contrarianism has also started spilling over into more routine immunization practices. Last winter, during an active measles outbreak at a Florida school, Ladapo abandoned standard practice and allowed unvaccinated children to attend class. He also seemed to make a point of not recommending measles shots for any kids who might have needed them.

Jeffrey Goldhagen, a pediatrics professor at the University of Florida and the former head of the Duval County health department, believes that this vaccine skepticism has had immense costs. “The deaths and suffering of thousands and thousands of Floridians” can be linked to Ladapo’s policies, he said, particularly regarding COVID shots. But in the years since Ladapo took office, Florida did not become an instant outlier in terms of COVID vaccination numbers, nor in terms of age-adjusted rates of death from COVID. And so far at least, the state’s performance on other immunization metrics is not far off from the rest of America’s. That doesn’t mean Florida’s numbers are good: Among the state’s kindergarteners, routine-vaccination rates have dropped from 93.3 percent for the kids who entered school in the fall of 2020 to 88.1 percent in 2023, and the rate at which kids are getting nonmedical exemptions from vaccine requirements went up from 2.7 to 4.5 percent over the same period. These changes elevate the risk of further outbreaks of measles, or of other infectious diseases that could end up killing children—but they’re not unique to Ladapo’s constituents. National statistics have been moving in the same direction. (To wit: The rate of nonmedical exemptions across the U.S. has gone up by about the same proportion as Florida’s.)

All of these disturbing trends may be tied to a growing suspicion of vaccines that was brought on during COVID and fanned by right-wing influencers. Or they could be a lingering effect of the widespread lapse in health care in 2020, during which time many young children were missing doses of vaccines. (Kids who entered public school in 2023 might still be catching up.)

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The Atlantic: We're About to Find Out How Much Americans Like Vaccines (Original Post) Dennis Donovan 20 hrs ago OP
Most Americans have no idea what life was like without vaccines. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #1
I am a boomer, 77 gab13by13 19 hrs ago #6
Oh yes. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #7
Same general age. I remember the relief of the Salk vaccine, then the Sabin booster. JustABozoOnThisBus 19 hrs ago #9
Many of us remember lining up in school to take the sugar cube. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #18
I'm older GenX ('65) and I only had to deal with chicken pox. Dennis Donovan 17 hrs ago #13
I had measles, mumps, chicken pox. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #19
I grew up in a community that hat a polio epidemic every summer all summer. republianmushroom 17 hrs ago #15
Remember when all the pools were closed in the summer? Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #20
Get Vaccines bdamomma 19 hrs ago #2
Good advice. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #8
Got my Shingles vax today Bettie 17 hrs ago #14
I've had every vaccine available defacto7 19 hrs ago #3
well bdamomma 18 hrs ago #11
I'm grateful for vaccines. Solly Mack 19 hrs ago #4
Celebrity Oz who was normalized by Oprah. Passages 19 hrs ago #5
Next pandemic . . . ChicagoRonin 18 hrs ago #10
Me too Bettie 17 hrs ago #16
Is Jonas Salk rolling over in his grave yet? Sneederbunk 17 hrs ago #12
We still need to get the RSV vaccine, everything else Emile 17 hrs ago #17

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
1. Most Americans have no idea what life was like without vaccines.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:13 AM
20 hrs ago

They never got all the childhood contagious diseases.
Or contracted polio, etc.

They take their current good health for granted.

At the same time the protection from vaccines will be taken away,
Trump will take away health care.

What could go wrong?

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
7. Oh yes.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:09 AM
19 hrs ago

Diseases that can kill people or damage them.

I remember a friend of my mothers who was pregnant and exposed to children who had
measles. Her baby was born deaf.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,762 posts)
9. Same general age. I remember the relief of the Salk vaccine, then the Sabin booster.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:16 AM
19 hrs ago

I hope Secretary Brainworm doesn't eliminate that one.

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
18. Many of us remember lining up in school to take the sugar cube.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:40 AM
17 hrs ago

Our parents were thrilled and relieved.
They had seen polio deaths or people living in iron lungs.

My mother was a young registered nurse during the polio epidemic.
She says healthy young people were hit the hardest.

She told one story of a big healthy young man who came to the hospital
feeling ill, he was standing up in front of her providing information in the hospital
emergency room. He suddenly collapsed dead from polio right as she was talking to him.
She never forgot that incident.

She also worked in the iron lung ward for a period of time.
It was very grim and sad work.

Dennis Donovan

(25,503 posts)
13. I'm older GenX ('65) and I only had to deal with chicken pox.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:25 AM
17 hrs ago

...and they switched the polio vaccine to a sugarcube from "the gun" right before I got mine.

republianmushroom

(17,612 posts)
15. I grew up in a community that hat a polio epidemic every summer all summer.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:33 AM
17 hrs ago

The city sprayed every thing with DDT twice a week. Still had polio until Dr. Salk vaccine came and everybody got the vaccine. Polio was deadly. The Iron lung will be coming back or the republican will let those that have sever polio die. How stupid we are.

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
20. Remember when all the pools were closed in the summer?
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:44 AM
17 hrs ago

Parents could not let their children congregate.

My mother was a young nurse during the beginning of the polio epidemic.
She did a rotation in the iron lung ward and never forgot it.
Told a few stories about it and it left an impression on me.
It was an awful time.

bdamomma

(66,364 posts)
2. Get Vaccines
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:20 AM
19 hrs ago

now before they are taken away. Get your children vaccinated. We have now until January 20th.

Bettie

(17,062 posts)
14. Got my Shingles vax today
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 11:31 AM
17 hrs ago

Should have asked about the pneumonia one too, but I can go down the the pharmacy for that.

defacto7

(13,609 posts)
3. I've had every vaccine available
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:23 AM
19 hrs ago

and I've had them on time for the last 49 years. I've never had a reaction, I've not had the flu in 50 years, never had COVID and rarely even have a cold. Never had RSV and haven't had pneumonia since I was 6 mo. old. No malaria let alone polio and all the rest.

I know that not everyone's results are necessarily the same as mine, but I think I am pretty satisfied that vaccines have kept me healthy.

on edit: They've kept me healthy along with herd immunity.

Fuck that Kennedy guy.

Passages

(1,028 posts)
5. Celebrity Oz who was normalized by Oprah.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 09:29 AM
19 hrs ago

I truly wish the Democratic Party would dump their relationships with her.


Dr. Oz Will Be Trump's Point Man On Privatizing Medicare
And he just happens to own a lot of stock in United Healthcare Group!

https://crooksandliars.com/2024/11/el-cheato-names-dr-oz-medicare-and#google_vignette

ChicagoRonin

(700 posts)
10. Next pandemic . . .
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 10:19 AM
18 hrs ago

Don't try convincing any of the non-believers. If they are close family or friends, well, you'll have to make a judgment call.

Me, I'm going to imagine I'm Noah, and just pull up the ladder on my ark.

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