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Empowering Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will test one of American public healths greatest successes.
By Daniel Engber
November 20, 2024, 7:30 AM ET
Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the nominee to be the next secretary of Health and Human Services, is Americas most prominent vaccine skeptic. An advocacy organization that he founded and chaired has called the nations declining child-immunization rates good news, and referred to parents lingering doubts about routine shots as COVID-19s silver lining. Now Kennedy may soon be overseeing the cluster of federal agencies that license and recommend vaccines, as well as the multibillion-dollar program that covers the immunization of almost half the nations children.
Which is to say that Americas most prominent vaccine skeptic could have the power to upend, derail, or otherwise louse up a cornerstone of public health. Raising U.S. vaccination rates to where they are today took decades of investment: In 1991, for example, just 82 percent of toddlers were getting measles shots; by 2019, that number had increased to 92 percent. The first Trump administration actually presided over the historic high point for the nations immunization services; now the second may be focused on promoting vaccines alleged hidden harms. Kennedy has said that he doesnt want to take any shots away, but even if he were to emphasize choice, his leadership would be a daunting test of Americans commitment to vaccines.
In many ways, the situation is unprecedented: No one with Kennedys mix of inexperience and paranoid distrust has ever held the reins at HHS. He was trained as a lawyer and has no training in biostatistics or any other research bona fidesthe sorts of qualifications youd expect from someone credibly evaluating vaccine efficacy. But the post-pandemic era has already given rise to at least one smaller-scale experiment along these lines. In Florida, vaccine policies have been overseen since 2021 by another noted skeptic of the pharmaceutical industry, State Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo. (Kennedy has likened Ladapo to Galileoyes, the astronomer who faced down the Roman Inquisition.) Under Ladapos direction, the state has aggressively resisted federal guidance on COVID-19 vaccination, and its department of health has twice advised Floridians not to get mRNA-based booster shots. These vaccines are not appropriate for use in human beings, Ladapo declared in January. His public-health contrarianism has also started spilling over into more routine immunization practices. Last winter, during an active measles outbreak at a Florida school, Ladapo abandoned standard practice and allowed unvaccinated children to attend class. He also seemed to make a point of not recommending measles shots for any kids who might have needed them.
Jeffrey Goldhagen, a pediatrics professor at the University of Florida and the former head of the Duval County health department, believes that this vaccine skepticism has had immense costs. The deaths and suffering of thousands and thousands of Floridians can be linked to Ladapos policies, he said, particularly regarding COVID shots. But in the years since Ladapo took office, Florida did not become an instant outlier in terms of COVID vaccination numbers, nor in terms of age-adjusted rates of death from COVID. And so far at least, the states performance on other immunization metrics is not far off from the rest of Americas. That doesnt mean Floridas numbers are good: Among the states kindergarteners, routine-vaccination rates have dropped from 93.3 percent for the kids who entered school in the fall of 2020 to 88.1 percent in 2023, and the rate at which kids are getting nonmedical exemptions from vaccine requirements went up from 2.7 to 4.5 percent over the same period. These changes elevate the risk of further outbreaks of measles, or of other infectious diseases that could end up killing childrenbut theyre not unique to Ladapos constituents. National statistics have been moving in the same direction. (To wit: The rate of nonmedical exemptions across the U.S. has gone up by about the same proportion as Floridas.)
All of these disturbing trends may be tied to a growing suspicion of vaccines that was brought on during COVID and fanned by right-wing influencers. Or they could be a lingering effect of the widespread lapse in health care in 2020, during which time many young children were missing doses of vaccines. (Kids who entered public school in 2023 might still be catching up.)
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Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)They never got all the childhood contagious diseases.
Or contracted polio, etc.
They take their current good health for granted.
At the same time the protection from vaccines will be taken away,
Trump will take away health care.
What could go wrong?
gab13by13
(25,221 posts)I got mumps, measles, and chicken pox. I remember they were not fun.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)Diseases that can kill people or damage them.
I remember a friend of my mothers who was pregnant and exposed to children who had
measles. Her baby was born deaf.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,762 posts)I hope Secretary Brainworm doesn't eliminate that one.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)Our parents were thrilled and relieved.
They had seen polio deaths or people living in iron lungs.
My mother was a young registered nurse during the polio epidemic.
She says healthy young people were hit the hardest.
She told one story of a big healthy young man who came to the hospital
feeling ill, he was standing up in front of her providing information in the hospital
emergency room. He suddenly collapsed dead from polio right as she was talking to him.
She never forgot that incident.
She also worked in the iron lung ward for a period of time.
It was very grim and sad work.
Dennis Donovan
(25,503 posts)...and they switched the polio vaccine to a sugarcube from "the gun" right before I got mine.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)Rheumatic fever.
It was all bad.
republianmushroom
(17,612 posts)The city sprayed every thing with DDT twice a week. Still had polio until Dr. Salk vaccine came and everybody got the vaccine. Polio was deadly. The Iron lung will be coming back or the republican will let those that have sever polio die. How stupid we are.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)Parents could not let their children congregate.
My mother was a young nurse during the beginning of the polio epidemic.
She did a rotation in the iron lung ward and never forgot it.
Told a few stories about it and it left an impression on me.
It was an awful time.
bdamomma
(66,364 posts)now before they are taken away. Get your children vaccinated. We have now until January 20th.
Irish_Dem
(57,309 posts)I am up to date except for the new pneumonia vaccine.
Am going to get it asap.
Bettie
(17,062 posts)Should have asked about the pneumonia one too, but I can go down the the pharmacy for that.
defacto7
(13,609 posts)and I've had them on time for the last 49 years. I've never had a reaction, I've not had the flu in 50 years, never had COVID and rarely even have a cold. Never had RSV and haven't had pneumonia since I was 6 mo. old. No malaria let alone polio and all the rest.
I know that not everyone's results are necessarily the same as mine, but I think I am pretty satisfied that vaccines have kept me healthy.
on edit: They've kept me healthy along with herd immunity.
Fuck that Kennedy guy.
you are sure not an anti-vaxer !!!!!! nothing wrong to keep yourself safe and protected.
Solly Mack
(92,750 posts)Passages
(1,028 posts)I truly wish the Democratic Party would dump their relationships with her.
Dr. Oz Will Be Trump's Point Man On Privatizing Medicare
And he just happens to own a lot of stock in United Healthcare Group!
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ChicagoRonin
(700 posts)Don't try convincing any of the non-believers. If they are close family or friends, well, you'll have to make a judgment call.
Me, I'm going to imagine I'm Noah, and just pull up the ladder on my ark.
Bettie
(17,062 posts)I'm done caring about people who want me dead simply because I believe in science.
Sneederbunk
(15,094 posts)Emile
(29,777 posts)is up to date.