Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
40 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Should Joe Biden pardon himself before the Jan. 20 Inauguation (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Tuesday OP
Yes, he needs to pardon himself and a WHOLE LOTTA FlyingPiggy Tuesday #1
Why not? PJMcK Tuesday #2
Yes Meowmee Tuesday #3
Vance was picked to pardon Rump when he strps down usonian Tuesday #29
Yeah you're probably right Meowmee Tuesday #32
We never know those secret health reports. usonian Yesterday #35
It wouldn't do any good. Trump will do what he wants. Irish_Dem Tuesday #4
Think Biden is safe; however, why not do the secret/pocket pardon just in case. Would do same for his son. Silent Type Tuesday #5
No. He should fight tooth and nail if charges are brought. CanonRay Tuesday #6
Agree. debm55 Tuesday #8
The world knows what he is Meowmee Tuesday #15
No, President Harris should do that. usonian Tuesday #7
terrible optics... suggests that they all committed crimes. WarGamer Tuesday #9
Yes a pardon comes with an acceptance of guilt. LakeArenal Tuesday #13
This is a myth. tritsofme Tuesday #14
Link? LakeArenal Tuesday #16
A pardon is an act of grace, not an admission of guilt. tritsofme Tuesday #17
Link? LakeArenal Tuesday #18
I gave you the information I have at my disposal. tritsofme Tuesday #19
Well, you are making the claim and as I read other comments many have the same view as I. LakeArenal Tuesday #21
It's not a fringe claim, the arguments are interesting. tritsofme Tuesday #23
I encourage you to post links. Thanks. LakeArenal 20 hrs ago #39
Don't you have to have been charged and convicted in order Grammy23 Tuesday #10
Ford pardoned Nixon for crimes he might have committed. 3catwoman3 Tuesday #33
I don't think trump will do that (not much in it for him), and if he does I'm not sure what the pardon would solve fishwax Tuesday #11
Protecting Dr Fauci would be nice if it Submariner Tuesday #12
no onenote Tuesday #20
For what? soandso Tuesday #22
That's my question! What crimes n misdemeanors has he committed? Deuxcents Tuesday #30
Yep JustAnotherGen Tuesday #24
Yup republianmushroom Tuesday #25
Yes Rebl2 Tuesday #26
Pardon himself for what? totodeinhere Tuesday #27
There's nothing to pardon him for. Jeebo Tuesday #28
For what? I suppose for leaving some classified documents in a locked office would be ok to pardon. Freethinker65 Tuesday #31
Joe Biden should completely boobie trap the White House before he leaves. Jim__ Yesterday #34
I'd rather not set that precedent, he can issue for everyone else TheKentuckian Yesterday #36
I think king dump usedtobedemgurl 23 hrs ago #37
What did he do wrong that he needs to pardon himself for? Nothing! arthritisR_US 23 hrs ago #38
No reason for a pardon. Emile 20 hrs ago #40

FlyingPiggy

(3,734 posts)
1. Yes, he needs to pardon himself and a WHOLE LOTTA
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:12 PM
Tuesday

Any democrat who has spoken out needs to be pardoned along w Jack Smith, Fanni Willis and all other DAs

Meowmee

(5,467 posts)
3. Yes
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:13 PM
Tuesday

Can you pardon yourself as the president? I’m not sure. And I wonder can you pardon for any possible charges for anything?

usonian

(13,772 posts)
29. Vance was picked to pardon Rump when he strps down
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:03 PM
Tuesday

due to tainted hamberders or whatever. He just can't have heart disease for the obvious reason.

Meowmee

(5,467 posts)
32. Yeah you're probably right
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:18 PM
Tuesday

Somehow, I doubt he’s gonna be stepping down though not anytime soon.

usonian

(13,772 posts)
35. We never know those secret health reports.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:22 AM
Yesterday

Or whatever scheme is afoot. He could retire with "bone spurs", drain half the treasury, and keep a mansion full of secrets to auction off like some Bond villain (scenes come to mind). And kinda rule the world as an independent power.

Irish_Dem

(57,309 posts)
4. It wouldn't do any good. Trump will do what he wants.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:14 PM
Tuesday

Congress and the courts will back him no matter what.

Trump isn't interested in the Bidens any way.

Trump is focused solely on money and power.

CanonRay

(14,858 posts)
6. No. He should fight tooth and nail if charges are brought.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:18 PM
Tuesday

A show trial where a former President fights back would how the world what Trump really is. We need courage, my friends. Joe should pardon his son, however.

tritsofme

(18,504 posts)
17. A pardon is an act of grace, not an admission of guilt.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:47 PM
Tuesday

Don't have time to grab articles, but the quote from the 1915 decision that says a pardon is an admission of guilt is dicta, it has never been binding.

tritsofme

(18,504 posts)
19. I gave you the information I have at my disposal.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:53 PM
Tuesday

Feel free to do further research if you are so interested, doesn’t make a difference to me.

It’s a quote that made Gerald Ford feel better about his betrayal, that’s about it.

LakeArenal

(29,797 posts)
21. Well, you are making the claim and as I read other comments many have the same view as I.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:00 PM
Tuesday

Effectively you are saying you don’t have a link.

So why should I research something you claim.

Anyway, it’s just a normal question here on DU. Not in anyway a demand.

tritsofme

(18,504 posts)
23. It's not a fringe claim, the arguments are interesting.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:07 PM
Tuesday

I would encourage you to read about it if you are so interested, I just don’t have time to do digging right now. If anything, you’re now aware there is more to the argument.

Grammy23

(5,901 posts)
10. Don't you have to have been charged and convicted in order
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:24 PM
Tuesday

To be pardoned? And then admit your guilt to accept the pardon?

None of that has happened in Biden’s case. So if that is true, he can’t pardon himself if hasn’t been charged and convicted, correct? Or maybe I am misunderstanding something?? Fill me in.

3catwoman3

(25,430 posts)
33. Ford pardoned Nixon for crimes he might have committed.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:24 PM
Tuesday

From Wikipedia:

Proclamation 4311 was a presidential proclamation issued by President of the United States Gerald Ford on September 8, 1974, granting a full and unconditional pardon to Richard Nixon, his predecessor, for any crimes that he might have committed against the United States as president.[

fishwax

(29,325 posts)
11. I don't think trump will do that (not much in it for him), and if he does I'm not sure what the pardon would solve
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:25 PM
Tuesday

On the other hand, if Joe pardons himself, well, it certainly doesn't make him look innocent of wrongdoing (which, of course, he is).

Submariner

(12,665 posts)
12. Protecting Dr Fauci would be nice if it
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:26 PM
Tuesday

can be done. That asshole Gym Jordan and smelly Margie want to harass him to hell. He needs protection.

JustAnotherGen

(33,538 posts)
24. Yep
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:00 PM
Tuesday

But I don't think and former Democratic Presidents should be in attendance.

Also - I hope the ghosts of LBJ and FDR trip the maggot then blow over the podium. I'm a Great Society Democrat - he's rolling over in his grave at this piece of shit Russian lover being in the WH.

totodeinhere

(13,301 posts)
27. Pardon himself for what?
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:51 PM
Tuesday

But I do think he should pardon Hunter. If Hunter were not his son he would never have been indicted.

Jeebo

(2,270 posts)
28. There's nothing to pardon him for.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 10:53 PM
Tuesday

There's nothing they could charge him with. He should pardon his son, though.

— Ron

Freethinker65

(11,134 posts)
31. For what? I suppose for leaving some classified documents in a locked office would be ok to pardon.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 11:11 PM
Tuesday

As far as I remember, all of the GOP House hearings found nothing impeachment worthy.

I think Biden should pardon Hunter for the gun charge and tax issue. Hunter already admitted guilt once and agreed to pay the back taxes and a fine. He was an addict and lied to get a gun he possessed for a few weeks during which he committed no crime with the weapon. Make the pardon very specific.

I would also issue a blanket pardon for government workers performing their official duties...kind of like the BS SCOTUS Trump immunity ruling. It would delay any cases and waste tons of money and resources in first determining if what is being alleged was in fact part of an official duty, or reasonably thought to be part of an official duty when directed perform it, or not.

Jim__

(14,456 posts)
34. Joe Biden should completely boobie trap the White House before he leaves.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:03 AM
Yesterday

Then we can all mourn over the tragic accident that befalls the new resident.

TheKentuckian

(26,181 posts)
36. I'd rather not set that precedent, he can issue for everyone else
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 03:28 AM
Yesterday

and resign and Harris can then pardon him.

Keep it clean and by dragging it out make them make up all the 47 shit and stick them with 48 just to take a nice ride to good old Petticoat Junction.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Should Joe Biden pardon h...