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WarGamer

(15,402 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:50 PM Tuesday

Will Trump still be a "Convicted Felon" if the NY Hush Money trial is dismissed?

Can't believe no one posted this earlier... stunning.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/19/politics/donald-trump-new-york-hush-money/index.html

Manhattan DA agrees to postpone Donald Trump’s sentencing in hush money case but opposes dismissal

The Manhattan district attorney’s office said Tuesday it would agree to postpone Donald Trump’s sentencing in his hush money case to give prosecutors time to litigate the president-elect’s expected motion to dismiss the case.

In a letter to Judge Juan Merchan, the district attorney’s office also acknowledged that Trump is not likely to be sentenced “until after the end of Defendant’s upcoming presidential term.” But the DA says Trump’s felony conviction should stand.

A source in close to the district attorney’s office said it is open to a four year pause of the case.
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Will Trump still be a "Convicted Felon" if the NY Hush Money trial is dismissed? (Original Post) WarGamer Tuesday OP
It's a conviction unless it's dismissed, which it hasn't been. no_hypocrisy Tuesday #1
They won't dismiss it. They'll just wait. Ocelot II Tuesday #2
Would a dismissal, even after conviction... erase the conviction? Doesn't seem fair. WarGamer Tuesday #3
Legally or in lay terms? Igel Tuesday #4
It's two ForgedCrank Tuesday #5

no_hypocrisy

(48,778 posts)
1. It's a conviction unless it's dismissed, which it hasn't been.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:55 PM
Tuesday

However, the Judge could do this: hand down a sentence and either put him on probation or vacate the punishment.

Ocelot II

(120,813 posts)
2. They won't dismiss it. They'll just wait.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:56 PM
Tuesday

The conviction stands regardless of whether and when he's sentenced.

Igel

(36,082 posts)
4. Legally or in lay terms?
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:00 PM
Tuesday

He's not legally a convict until the judgment is entered; that happens after he's sentenced, with the sentence forming part of the record.

He hasn't been sentenced.

He's been found guilty so in lay terms he's been convicted.

Do you want to use expert usage of the word or the lay usage? (Keep in mind the choice in other areas of academic life--do we want to use medical terminology for a thing or the lay terminology?)

Personally, it's a choice I don't have to make because it's never been a topic of conversation for me, apart from meta-discourse like this one--discourse about discourse.

ForgedCrank

(2,190 posts)
5. It's two
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:20 PM
Tuesday

different realms of conversation to me. One is the strictly legal argument in that you are correct, he isn't technically convicted.
In the other context such as discussing his character, he was found guilty by a court.
So yes, he committed the crimes and it was proven, but the process is incomplete at this point.
The question that remains is can it be abandoned? I don't know the criminal system well enough to talk about that intelligently.

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