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DetlefK

(16,455 posts)
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:30 PM Tuesday

Why I think that Trump will try to bring back slavery:

Quick reminder: Slavery is legal in the US. It just so happens that the only people who can legally be forced into slave-labor are prisoners.



Step 1:
Trump deports a shitload of illegal immigrants.

Step 2:
The food-sector now lacks those below-minimum-wage workers that form the back-bone of this economic sector.

Step 3:
Unemployment in the food-sector. Cost of labor in the food-sector goes up. Less food is produced. Food-prices go up.

Step 4:
People lament how nobody could have foreseen this and that food is too expensive.

Step 5:
The food-corporations demand that prisoners be turned into unpaid slave-labor for them, so that the cost of food can go down. Republicans agree after a nice bribe... I mean... campaign-donation.

Step 6:
With the cost of labor drastically down and corporate profit-margins drastically up, the food-corporations juuuuuuuuuuust ever-so-slightly reduce the prices, just so that they can claim in time for the 2028 election that the system works.



And that's how slavery returns to the US.

For the sake of food-security, for the sake of the nation, for the sake of corporate profit-margins.

Oh, and Republicans will call Democrats hysterical and crazy for saying that using violence to force someone into unpaid labor is slavery. "Those evil Democrats would rather coddle criminals than reduce the cost of eggs for your family!!!"

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Why I think that Trump will try to bring back slavery: (Original Post) DetlefK Tuesday OP
And hey, banning slavery is an infringement on the right of businesses to run things as they see fit unblock Tuesday #1
Not so much atreides1 Tuesday #2
I think that's the purpose for rounding up immigrants wnylib Tuesday #17
This. n/t OneGrassRoot Tuesday #23
It will probably start with indentured servitude cynical_idealist Tuesday #3
Right. H2O Man Tuesday #5
Recommended. H2O Man Tuesday #4
they will never call it "slavery," of course rampartd Tuesday #6
I expected some movement moondust Tuesday #7
Supplied by... lame54 Tuesday #8
Southern states have already lowered standards Figarosmom Tuesday #9
Private prisons superpatriotman Tuesday #10
More Blacks arrested, put in private prison system... ananda Tuesday #11
Actually being discussed Blue Full Moon Tuesday #12
Makes me sick - and not in a good way. dchill Tuesday #13
They already use slave labor..Arkansas has always had prison farm labor..That why we are building yet another one LiberalArkie Tuesday #14
He's not that ambitious. louis-t Tuesday #15
Agreed. He is also not smart enough to plan this DeeDeeNY Tuesday #16
Possibly Cirsium Tuesday #18
You think Stephen Miller awesomerwb1 Yesterday #27
That and child labor. nt Javaman Tuesday #19
Slavery by any other name anniebelle Tuesday #20
Come on fellow Democrats! Cirsium Tuesday #21
Entirely plausible. TomSlick Tuesday #22
Can't bring back something that never went away. VegasVet Yesterday #24
Trump's SCOTUS is capable of anything - including reinstating Dred Scott. PeaceWave Yesterday #25
As a Canadian I am really worried about your country and our arthritisR_US Yesterday #26
Starting with sexual slavery ---- the Matt Gaetz nomination is the trial balloon. SupportSanity 19 hrs ago #28

unblock

(54,150 posts)
1. And hey, banning slavery is an infringement on the right of businesses to run things as they see fit
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:37 PM
Tuesday

There are no guardrails. It's a never-ending spiral into the abyss.

When have they ever shown any restraint in their lurch toward pure evil?

atreides1

(16,384 posts)
2. Not so much
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:49 PM
Tuesday

I believe the plan is to use undocumented immigrants as labor, provided by the private prison companies who will be running the camps!

The immigrants will be used until they are legally deported, which could take several years. And do you believe that the Republicans in Congress or the federal courts are going to stop him?

That way he floods the market with cheap labor, and Americans holding those jobs will be fired.

It's much easier that way.

wnylib

(24,373 posts)
17. I think that's the purpose for rounding up immigrants
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:28 PM
Tuesday

in the first place. Deporting them is too expensive and many countries won't take them. So just put them in for profit prisons to be used as slave labor for the rest of their lives.

Poor conditions will kill off some of them.

Since prisons stand to profit from this arrangement, they will be incentivised to expand to political prisoners and to absorb into the system people convicted of other crimes. A boon to corporations.

The general public will be ok with this. Out of sight, out of mind. Objections will grow only if too many ordinary people get caught in traps established to increase the prison population.



cynical_idealist

(447 posts)
3. It will probably start with indentured servitude
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:51 PM
Tuesday

once everyone is broke from the radical economic problems the gop will cause

H2O Man

(75,452 posts)
4. Recommended.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:05 PM
Tuesday

Very interesting. I think there already is the condition of people who are "indentured servants." In her last year of college in upstate New York, my younger daughter visited where Haitian immigrants were housed during the times they harvested grapes. It was inhumane. The land-owners could thus sell NYS wine for relatively cheap, but few buyers are aware of the actual price that human beings paid.

In my youth, the tri-county area had numerous family farms. There are still a couple in each county, but a corporate farm from elsewhere in the state has bought out the vast majority of them. They differ from the corporate Dream Street Farms that bought out a string of family farms in the 1970s - '80s, which relied on local labor. This one has a few citizens to supervise, but the workers are almost exclusively "illegal" immigrants -- human beings that will work very hard for far less than local labor.

The Haitians have what might be called "housing," but are not allowed to leave the owner's property. The Central Americans can leave the farm at the end of the workday, to reside in groups too large for the shitty apartments they rent.

When I worked for the mental health clinic, I remember a case that raised questions about some of the young female workers at the local Chinese restaurants. And I will speculate that a significant number of those who engage in prostitution are held in slavery.

Thank you for raising an important issue that deserves our consideration.

rampartd

(316 posts)
6. they will never call it "slavery," of course
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:08 PM
Tuesday

"maga rehabilitation program" or something equally orwellian i'm sure and certain to feature dear leader's name and likeness (else how can he take his cut?) .

moondust

(20,448 posts)
7. I expected some movement
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:40 PM
Tuesday

toward slavery during his first term. I was surprised to only hear of one proposal from some nut out in Oklahoma or other deep red state but don't recall what it was. Maybe expanding prison labor or something.

Maybe the "immigrant camps" they plan to set up will decide that all those "immigrants" need something to keep them busy all day and start taking bids for that labor. Where they locate those "camps" could be a hint.

Of course the predatory grifter who often fails to pay his bills and his employees will be fine with it.

Figarosmom

(2,612 posts)
9. Southern states have already lowered standards
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:44 PM
Tuesday

For child labor. I suppose if there are not enough children willing to do the work there would be a gathering up of homeless. They are talking about tent cities for homeless and folks with cognitive.problems. So I guess they would force them into old time work camps. So yeah that is a form of slavery since the slaves were given room and board , that's how it would be justified, legally I guess.

superpatriotman

(6,544 posts)
10. Private prisons
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 03:45 PM
Tuesday

They are ready to accommodate.

Also, the ‘state’s rights’ movement has won, which means the Union lost the Civil War 175 years later.

LiberalArkie

(16,495 posts)
14. They already use slave labor..Arkansas has always had prison farm labor..That why we are building yet another one
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:06 PM
Tuesday
https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-plate-investigation-takeaways-5debda3b0222c5c7de8b8a485084f206

In a sweeping two-year investigation, The Associated Press found goods linked to U.S. prisoners wind up in the supply chains of a dizzying array of products from Frosted Flakes cereal and Ball Park hot dogs to Gold Medal flour and Coca-Cola. They are on the shelves of most supermarkets, including Kroger, Target, Aldi and Whole Foods.

Here are takeaways from the AP’s investigation:

PEOPLE OF COLOR DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED
The U.S. has a history of locking up more people than any other country – currently around 2 million – and goods tied to prison labor have morphed into a massive multibillion-dollar empire, extending far beyond the classic images of people stamping license plates or working on road crews.

The prisoners who help produce these goods are disproportionately people of color. Some are sentenced to hard labor and forced to work – or face punishment – and are sometimes paid pennies an hour or nothing at all. They are often excluded from protections guaranteed to almost all other full-time workers, even when they are seriously injured or killed on the job. And it can be almost impossible for them to sue.

DeeDeeNY

(3,491 posts)
16. Agreed. He is also not smart enough to plan this
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 04:18 PM
Tuesday

But Vance would have no problem getting this done.

awesomerwb1

(4,563 posts)
27. You think Stephen Miller
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 02:30 AM
Yesterday

and Homan are not ambitious about immigration? You think they're not motivated? Those 2 f*ckers are salivating about it.

anniebelle

(909 posts)
20. Slavery by any other name
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 05:00 PM
Tuesday

We have always had slaves in this country. The color is irrelevant. The Maggats don't even realize they are the slaves now and when all the "aliens" are deported they'll find out to what extent.

Cirsium

(796 posts)
21. Come on fellow Democrats!
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 05:05 PM
Tuesday

Wake up! So many things people are posting about saying that might happen under Trump have already been going on for a long time. This is yet another example.

Captive Labor: Exploitation of Incarcerated Workers

From the moment they enter the prison gates, incarcerated people lose the right to refuse to work. This is because the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which protects against slavery and involuntary servitude, explicitly excludes from its reach those held in confinement due to a criminal conviction. The roots of modern prison labor can be found in the ratification of this exception clause at the end of the Civil War, which disproportionately encouraged the criminalization and effective re-enslavement of Black people during the Jim Crow era, with impacts that persist to this day.

Today, more than 76 percent of incarcerated workers surveyed by the Bureau of Justice Statistics say that they are required to work or face additional punishment such as solitary confinement, denial of opportunities to reduce their sentence, and loss of family visitation. They have no right to choose what type of work they do and are subject to arbitrary, discriminatory, and punitive decisions by the prison administrators who select their work assignments.

U.S. law also explicitly excludes incarcerated workers from the most universally recognized workplace protections. Incarcerated workers are not covered by minimum wage laws or overtime protection, are not afforded the right to unionize, and are denied workplace safety guarantees.

https://www.aclu.org/news/human-rights/captive-labor-exploitation-of-incarcerated-workers

Prison Labor and the Thirteenth Amendment

The Thirteenth Amendment, ratified in 1865, made slavery and involuntary servitude unconstitutional in the United States “except as punishment for crime.” As the end of slavery left a void in the Southern labor market, the criminal justice system became one of the primary means of continuing the legalized involuntary servitude of African Americans.

Initially, states passed discriminatory laws to arrest and imprison large numbers of Black people, then leased prisoners to private individuals and corporations in a system of convict leasing that resulted in dangerous conditions, abuse, and death. While states profited, prisoners earned no pay and faced inhumane, hazardous, and often deadly work conditions. Thousands of Black people were forced into a brutal system that historians have called “worse than slavery.”

By the middle of the 20th century, states abandoned convict leasing due to industrialization and political pressure and extended slavery through chain gangs and prison farms. This legacy continues to influence the criminal justice system today, in places like Louisiana State Penitentiary. Named “Angola” after the provenance of the enslaved people who worked the same land when it was a plantation, the prison requires incarcerated men to work in the fields. Eighty percent of Angola’s imprisoned men are Black, and its warden compares the grounds to “a big plantation in days gone by.”

https://eji.org/news/history-racial-injustice-prison-labor/

A Hidden Workforce: Prison Labor, Human Rights, and the Legacy of Slavery

The passage of the 13th Amendment following the American Civil War abolished slavery and involuntary servitude, but it included a crucial exception: “except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted.” This exception allowed southern governments to institute an early version of prison labor called convict leasing. Black Americans arrested for minor offenses, once imprisoned, were effectively purchased from state and local governments by individuals and companies looking to continue using cheap labor. This allowed individuals and companies to keep slavery in action. Though the practice of convict leasing ended in the mid-20th century, its infamous traits can still be seen in today’s incarceration system.

Today, the majority of incarcerated workers in the US, who are disproportionately Black and people of color, are often required to work or face retaliation such as solitary confinement, denial of opportunities to reduce their sentence, and loss of family visitation. They work jobs that might pay pennies on the hour, if they are paid at all, and are often not protected by labor laws. Many work in dangerous conditions. At the same time, some find deep purpose in their work behind bars, an opportunity to build skills, and support in making a successful transition to life after incarceration.

https://www.aspeninstitute.org/videos/a-hidden-workforce-prison-labor-human-rights-and-the-legacy-of-slavery-video/

VegasVet

(7,492 posts)
24. Can't bring back something that never went away.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 12:59 AM
Yesterday

It might just transform a bit, but I think your theory is pretty far-fetched.

PeaceWave

(941 posts)
25. Trump's SCOTUS is capable of anything - including reinstating Dred Scott.
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:44 AM
Yesterday

We already live in a world that makes no sense. Would it be completely outside the realm of possibility for Clarence Thomas to author an opinion stating that the 13th and 14th Amendments fail on procedural grounds and that Dred Scott is consequently good law?

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