You don't get to be the party of the working class and call for cuts to Food Stamps and Medicaid to pay for tax cuts for

[Yavin4]

the wealthy. The most vulnerable members of the working class need those programs to survive. True working class jobs do not pay enough to afford healthcare and pay for food. Hours are inconsistent and layoffs happen at any time. People who have jobs that come with healthcare and pay them enough to afford to buy Ford F150 trucks brand new ARE NOT THE FUCKING WORKING CLASS.

The problem is our media only sees White men who work with their hands as working class instead of looking at statistical data such as median household income. The root of our problem is the media's continuous racial framing of economic issues.

[XanaDUer2]

1. Imagine when MAGATS on Medicaid

Get cutoff. I'm sure they'll say dems gave the benefits to illegals. That's what my ssdi receiving sister said.

[Yavin4]

3. MAGATs don't care.

MAGATs gladly suffer in poverty so long as Black people suffer more. If they need healthcare, they just go to the emergency room and skip out on the bill which then gets passed onto everyone else.

[CousinIT]

2. Democrats should be on all media screaming this right now.

I honestly wish they would invest in a year-round war room that does this 24x7. And purchase social media and mainstream media outlets to assist with that. They haven't fought back in any measurable way for years and we can't afford for this non-response from them to continue.

[returnee]

13. 24/7 reply to bullshit. 👍 nt

[XanaDUer2]

20. Agreed

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. "People who have jobs that come with healthcare and pay them enough to afford to buy Ford F150 trucks brand new ARE NOT

THE FUCKING WORKING CLASS."

So...people who work in the Building Trades and in manufacturing jobs? They're not working class? Lol cmon now

[Yavin4]

10. Depends on their incomes.

If their median household income is above a certain level, then they are middle class. A unionized UPS driver making about $100K with healthcare and a pension is not working class. That is middle class.

You're using "vibes" instead of data. Just because someone works with their hands, that doesn't make them working class.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. .

If their median household income is above a certain level, then they are middle class.

What level? And why?

A unionized UPS driver making about $100K with healthcare and a pension is not working class. That is middle class.

What about the unionized UPS driver making half that, with healthcare and a pension?

You're using "vibes" instead of data.

okay but what's your data that defines working class?

[Yavin4]

14. The bottom 25% in household income is working class.

Median household income is $80K. The average household income is $114K. Bottom 25% is $40K and below. See for yourself at the link

Link: https://dqydj.com/household-income-percentile-calculator/

Granted the term, "working class", is ambiguous and imprecise. Investopedia has a decent definition of it. But as I said, the term is ambiguous.

What Is the Working Class?
"Working class" is a socioeconomic term used to describe persons in a social class marked by jobs that provide low pay, require limited skill, or physical labor. Typically, working-class jobs have reduced education requirements. Unemployed persons or those supported by a social welfare program are often included in the working class.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/w/working-class.asp

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. Okay, so this is an income-based definition you've come up with personally.

And the investopedia "definition" doesn't exclude Building Trades, manufacturing, nursing, teaching or other jobs that are much more widely considered working class than an income-based definition.

[Yavin4]

21. The people who qualify for Medicaid and Food stamps are in the bottom 25%

These are people who work.

[ShazzieB]

28. The income-based definition is not something anyone here has come .up with personally.

It's the way social scientists define "middle class." There are other replies in here that explain that more fully.

[Progressive dog]

19. Their income is somewhere in the middle.

That is the criteria.
From Wikipedia Though the American middle class does not have a definitive definition, contemporary social scientists have put forward several ostensibly congruent theories on it. Depending on the class model used, the middle class constitutes anywhere from 25% to 75% of households

[JustAnotherGen]

5. Unfortunately

They are. But lot'sa folks fixing to find out.

[RobinA]

6. An Orange-Faced

vulgarian would disagree.

[Autumn]

7. The working class will get by. However the working poor will be the ones that get screwed.

But I think they are used to that.

[Skittles]

25. anyone with family members affected will feel it too

yup

[Irish_Dem]

8. Turkeys voting for Thanksgiving.

[BoRaGard]

9. "Ha, ha -- Suckers and Losers!" - G.O.P.

[gab13by13]

11. Putin doesn't care

In 2 years Congress will be toothless, it is in the works now. TSF will rule by EO's.

[OnionPatch]

15. I think they believe

That Trump is only going to weed out all the "cheaters" and "grifters" and those who "take advantage" of programs. So they don't think any of this will affect them.

[Six117]

16. They do in this county.

Deep sigh

[TheKentuckian]

17. Of course you do, you just have to be the White Nationalist organization

[Skittles]

22. you don't get to be a CHRISTIAN either

these fucking repukes make me SICK

[ck4829]

26. True that

[NotHardly]

23. There are a lot of MAGAs going to be real sad, real soon. Good.

[Skittles]

24. anyone with family members affected will feel it too

it is crazy, how clueless they are

[AKwannabe]

27. As long as they are not calling for cuts to MediCARE!!!

Everyone is fine.

Medicare is a multi trillion dollar industry
Think about it
AND the boomer voting block would go bonkers over MediCARE cuts.

Every thing is fine. People have their Medicare, industry has its trillions and the poor can get fucked.

[ShazzieB]

29. Wait, what?

People have their Medicare, industry has its trillions and the poor can get fucked.

If you really believe that people on Medicare and "the poor" are two completely separate groups with no overlap, you are sadly mistaken. There is plenty of overlap.

Eligibility for Medicare is based on age, not income. Seniors are all over the map, economically speaking, and it's grossly inaccurate to speak of Medicare recipients, seniors, or "boomers" as if we are all uniformly well off financially.

Some seniors are very wealthy or at least reasonably comfortable, but many others are living below the poverty line. A lot more of us are somewhere in between, scraping by as best we can on our fixed incomes.

Medicare is literally keeping a lot of us alive, because we require medical care, prescriptions, insulin, etc., that we would not be able to afford on our own. Only the wealthiest seniors will be able to pay for all of that out of their own pockets if Medicare is ever yanked away from us.

Please do not ever, EVER assume that all seniors are comfortably off financially or that we don't desperately need our Medicare benefits.

[AKwannabe]

30. You. Have put words in my mouth. Many words I did not write

I said everything was fine because MediCARE is not on the chopping block.

Don’t put words on me I don’t write.

[ShazzieB]

31. I did not put any words in your mouth.

I directly quoted your words: "People have their Medicare, industry has its trillions and the poor can get fucked."

Whether you meant to or not, that statement seems to be listing three separate groups: people with Medicare, industry, and the poor. I simply pointed out that there's a lot of overlap between the first group and the third.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but it was an honest one on my part. I see now that I should have asked you to clarify what you meant before responding. I apologize for that. I let myself get triggered by a statement that I read as implying that all seniors are well off and may not really need Medicare the way "poor" people need Medicaid. As a senior who is getting by, but just barely, those would be fighting words to me, if that was what you actually meant. I should have asked first before reacting, and for that, I apologize.