Tha answer to why did Democrats lose is simple

[mdbl]

Right wingers have spent forty years teaching their minions to hate the opposition no matter what. Democrats could make this place a utopia but right wing hate television and radio will find or make up reasons to hate them. It's a nasty cult that needs intervention. Unfortunately, the only way it was put down in the past was a civil war.

[Walleye]

1. Yep, how long have they insisted on calling us? "the Democrat party"

[jimfields33]

2. But we won in 1992, 1996, 2008, 2012, 2020

It’s probably more likely the swing back and forth. The voting public are not patient and can change on a dime. We’ve seen it a lot through history. The longest one party had was 16 years. The next was 12. After that it’s been 8 for each party mostly.

[mdbl]

3. except in the last 40 years

insanity became a political party and without the hate media, it would not have thrived and elections might not have always been a tossup. How else do you explain so many people voting against their own interests? Lies and propaganda are the catalyst. It happened in Germany and it's happening here all over again.

[jimfields33]

7. Lies that are not pushed pack was a huge problem.

I think we learned our lesson and will not let the party get away with the lies from here on out. We did let a lot of lies go unnoticed. I believe those days are over.

[mdbl]

8. Good luck breaking through their echo chamber.

[jimfields33]

16. We only need three percent of less to get our message of truth.

[yardwork]

17. Harris and Walz pushed back on lies. Voters didn't believe them.

Harris refuted lie after lie during her debate with Trump. The media acknowledged that she won the debate, then went right back to their vague both-sides coverage.

Remember when Kerry ran? Remember the media's repetition of "flip flop?" Sounds a like a flip-flop. Well, George, a lot of people are saying that this is another flip flop by Kerry. Flip flop!

The media could have shut down Trump in one week if they'd covered him the way they covered Hillary Clinton.

And now the MSM is old news. We have to contend with the secret news that I'd targets to various groups via internet, radio, etc.

The lies are never revealed. I've given up hoping for that.

[oldmanlynn]

22. Lol. I havent seen push back.

People seem more and more inclined to believe the crap because of social media and all the other various forms of media

[johnnyfins]

25. TSF ran on a WALL of lies.

[LakeArenal]

28. With a complicate media.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

30. Like Pravda or Izvestia in the old days.

100% complicit.

[yardwork]

11. The Democrats have not had real power in DC since the 90s

Obama, Biden, and Nancy Pelosi just barely managed to find the votes for the ACA, which was a minimal upgrade to our woefully inadequate health insurance structure. As it was, they had to give 100% of ACA carriers to private insurers. This was the best we could achieve with Democrats holding the White House and Congress. It was such a small margin in Congress, and the Republicans played every dirty trick they could.

And as punishment for this first expansion of health care access since the 60s, voters lost their shit and elected a far-right Congress in 2010.

Biden had a bare majority for two years and managed to do a lot of good, but again, radical recovery from decades of Republican plundering is not possible with such tiny margins.

Voters may feel it's a pendulum going back and forth, but I don't see it that way.

[Dumpy]

12. It is the non-partisans that are swinging the election

And less percent of people identifies as D today, why?

[Cosmocat]

21. We won the presidency

primarily because Bill and Barrack were extraordinary candidates, and also because Rs ran the country into the ground by 2008 and DT had run the country into the ground through the pandemic.

But, from the point that AM radio started flooding the airwaves with right wing propoganda and the "conservative" movement took root, particularly in our churches, the Rs have had a clear majority of governorships and state houses and had control of congress more often than not.

The OP is 100% spot on.

The Rs have controlled the national dialogue and now are the verge of deconstructing our democracy by running on hate and division for nearly a half century.

It was always going to lead to this, I know it in the early 90s.

[jaxexpat]

33. If you're using the voting public as the metric, the "swing back and forth" part is a debate error.

The "voting public" voted Democratic in 2000 and 2016 as well. Democrats had the most votes in 1992, 1996, 2000, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2020. Thus, Republicans only won the presidency by a majority of the "voting public" twice in 32 years, 2004 and 2024 (we are being forced to believe). That's 2 out of 9 contests. Not close to a "swing back and forth" at all.

It's such an obvious reality that any Republican win should automatically require a recount. If your bank balance statement were correct on only 2 out of 9 occasions, you'd change banks, and the feds might just visit your bank with a warrant.

Republicans cheat because they can't win otherwise. What's so hard to understand about that?

[Tadpole Raisin]

4. Yes! I've watched republicans say they may not vote for TSF because

of concerns about what he might do.

THEN comes the question ‘will you vote for the democrat (any office) and the spontaneous facial expression is one of revulsion. They recoil at the thought!!

That’s decades of RW media beating the drum of democrats being destroyers of our country.

Once I saw that I knew changing minds was going to be a massive up hill battle and we haven’t made the slightest dent in that cultish instruction.

[yardwork]

5. Looks like they're intent on making their own lies come true.

For forty years people have been brainwashed into thinking that the U.S. is a hellhole on the verge of collapse.

And as the masses dutifully put the Republicans in power over and over, things did get worse for the young and the lower income people. We've lost a lot of ground. This helped to convince more voters that the Democrats are horrible.

Now it's a positive feedback loop where the masses themselves have ensured total collapse, by putting Putin stooge back in power.

Their fantasies about the U.S. being a hellgolr are about to come true.

[hatrack]

10. Create a hellhole, and you'll never lack people to blame (immigrants, liberals, gays, Teh Jooooz!!!)

That was the plan all along.

[yardwork]

14. It's a depressingly age-old, simple, and effective strategy.

It's so easy to break things.

[Johnny2X2X]

6. A vast ecosystem of misinformation

The right has mastered it and there is no putting the genie back in the bottle now.

[Elessar Zappa]

26. We have to compete in kind.

We need armies of trolls and bots putting out the progressive message and spreading disinformation about the Republicans. We also need more popular podcasts to compete with Rogan and others.

[Johnny2X2X]

31. Agree

People think you combat this with the truth, but that doesn't work anymore, you need to break up the mess with your own campaigns of misinformation to get people back to the facts somehow.

[jaxexpat]

34. Bull feathers, we need to make dissemination of propaganda a capital crime.

Intentional misinformation is killing us, and we act like it's something we're helpless to prevent. If we design our response to be more of the same, what kind of special fools are we? I mean, you do understand the difference between truth and lies, right? Has wading through the weeds of "gray areas" so degraded our senses and compromised our faculties that the only antidote is to drink more poison?

[SocialDemocrat61]

9. Let's remember that right wing

madia has also cast anyone who is not straight, white, Christian and male, is the other and evil.

[mdbl]

13. Absolutely

Those are their propaganda mainstays.

[yardwork]

18. They cast John Kerry and Al Gore as other and evil!

Any straight white Christian male who doesn't toe the line gets hunted.

Look how they chased Bill Clinton and Joe Biden.

[kansasobama]

15. Dems have to learn how to make sure Trump fails miserably

If they start saying, election is over, let us work together, you give legitimacy to fascism and out goes any hope.

As it is, the only resistance seems to be some blue state governors but let us see. Maybe, members of Senate and Congress have a plan. However, a leader need to rise next year. It could even be Kamala. Someone to call out Trump.

[Intractable]

19. Right wingers treat government like a game of jenga.

They like to pull pieces out of it to see what will happen.



Democrats build the tower.

[Farmer-Rick]

27. Great description

Wait until they pull the Federal Reserve and FDIC bank account insurance block. They want to go back to (pre-1929) "free banking". And you thought you would never see a Great Depression again.

[Ibapah]

20. Book that explains things very well

I have been reading the book "White Rural Rage" which explains why Republicans win in very detailed fashion. Beyond what the title suggests, it gets into things like the impact of capitalism, the electoral college, etc. Very informative, and disturbing, when it comes to answering the question on why Dems lose.

[Fiendish Thingy]

23. How does a civil war put an end to the RW media ecosystem?

That ecosystem now encompasses most of social media worldwide as well.

Sometimes simple answers don’t always provide simple solutions.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

24. Too simplistic. The thirst for simplistic explanations is ever-powerful but not often useful. . . . . nt

[Farmer-Rick]

29. Some people did vote for Trump

But their numbers were padded.

The majority of Americans did not vote for Trump, despite what the Putin manipulated numbers say. We need a recount of all battle ground states, not to change the election but to trust the election.

[Omnipresent]

32. Simply extreme.

You might want to take a few deep breaths.

[jaxexpat]

35. That's what many people thought when learned VP Nixon was the template for the novel, "The Ugly American".

The intellectual elite said, "That's too extreme. Maybe the domino theory is not so bad after all. They're from the best schools, you know. What harm could it be to let them have their way in SE Asia? Let them try their hand in Vietnam? No one will care one way or the other."

Things found in darkness are more often felt before they're seen.

[Omnipresent]

36. Ok