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Intractable

(546 posts)
5. At least they put this quote up front in the article.
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:32 AM
Nov 19
“They bent the knee,” one onlooker said of the pair who have spent years criticizing Trump.

Kaleva

(38,248 posts)
6. Joe and Mika are pundits, not journalists
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:48 AM
Nov 19

They tell other people who are unable to take in raw news and come to their own conclusions what to think

JohnSJ

(96,654 posts)
8. It is all part of the same game. News is interspersed with opinion, so much so at times it is hard to
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:05 AM
Nov 19

distinguish between what is news and what is opinion.



Kaleva

(38,248 posts)
10. Print news may not be so contaminated
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:35 AM
Nov 19

Last edited Tue Nov 19, 2024, 09:58 AM - Edit history (1)

It's also important to check several sources covering the same stories.

gab13by13

(25,290 posts)
7. People who labeled MSNBC as being progressive were wrong,
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:03 AM
Nov 19

There are only a few anchors on MSNBC who were truly progressive. Many anchors were labeled progressive but they talked about the narratives that Magats wanted them to talk about.

I posted this many years ago:

Fox says Obama beats his wife
CNN says it needs more information
MSNBC says no he doesn't

All 3 networks are talking about Obama beating his wife.

I suspect MSNBC will move further to the right.

freespeechtv.org until President Musk shuts it down.

JohnSJ

(96,654 posts)
9. The Matt Lauer interview with the sociopath verses the one he had with Hillary should have brought that
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:16 AM
Nov 19

home. Lauer let the sociopath spew nonsense without any pushback, while with Hillary he wouldn’t even let her finish answer a question, and kept interrupting her. It was a disgrace, and the former NBC chairman Andrew Lack was so proud how Lauer conducted himself during those interviews.

Ironically, both were fired about a year later.

I also think you are right that MSNBC will move further to the right, along with other media outlets.

Passages

(1,177 posts)
11. Unmitigated lies:
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:40 AM
Nov 19
The source told the Beast that Scarborough and Brzezinski’s visit could likely be credited for Trump’s apparent toning down of anti-press vitriol.


Neither of them are journalists and neither of them needed to visit him as they did to cover what he does UNLESS you want him to give you access to spread his propaganda.

A demagogue who this time around is also a felon and has to pay restitution for sexual assault has won the presidency, AGAIN.

Better to spend their time figuring out what role the M$M played in this mess so that it doesn't continue to usher in the next one.
Not that I expect them to have the integrity to do such a self-examination.

Snip:
In recommending this program I am thinking not only of the immediate economic needs of the people of the Nation, but also of their personal liberties – the most precious possession of all Americans. I am thinking of our democracy. I am thinking of the recent trend in other parts of the world away from the democratic ideal.

Democracy has disappeared in several other great nations – disappeared not because the people of those nations disliked democracy, but because they had grown tired of unemployment and insecurity, of seeing their children hungry while they sat helpless in the face of government confusion, government weakness, – weakness through lack of leadership in government. Finally, in desperation, they chose to sacrifice liberty in the hope of getting something to eat. We in America know that our own democratic institutions can be preserved and made to work. But in order to preserve them we need to act together, to meet the problems of the Nation boldly, and to prove that the practical operation of democratic government is equal to the task of protecting the security of the people.

Not only our future economic soundness but the very soundness of our democratic institutions depends on the determination of our Government to give employment to idle men. The people of America are in agreement in defending their liberties at any cost, and the first line of that defense lies in the protection of economic security. Your Government, seeking to protect democracy, must prove that Government is stronger than the forces of business depression.

History proves that dictatorships do not grow out of strong and successful governments but out of weak and helpless governments. If by democratic methods people get a government strong enough to protect them from fear and starvation, their democracy succeeds, but if they do not, they grow impatient. Therefore, the only sure bulwark of continuing liberty is a government strong enough to protect the interests of the people, and a people strong enough and well enough informed to maintain its sovereign control over its government.
https://teachingamericanhistory.org/document/fireside-chat-on-the-recession/




LearnedHand

(4,120 posts)
12. PSA: By definition, a press that is wholly corporate owned is already not free
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:45 AM
Nov 19

Give up the wishful notion that any of them will act in ANY manner other than that which preserves shareholder value. If you want to fight the good fight, lobby to break up the entertainment monopolies such that news organizations are divested and become nonprofit organizations.

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