William Shatner doesn't understand why Harris lost

[SocialDemocrat61]

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SHATNER: “I don’t know why the Democrats lost. I don’t understand … Prices have come down, the economy is good. I don’t know why they voted against her, against the party.”

It should be noted that he's Canadian and can flee if things get too bad here but he is asking questions that a lot of us have.

[JI7]

1. People think "fixing" inflation means returning to

the prices we had before . But it mostly means just controlling it increasing more.

Justin Trudeau is alsoi very unpopular for similar reasons but I think they were affected far worse than we were.

[DBoon]

5. "returning to the prices we had before" was tried by the British in the 1920s

They tried to roll back WWI price inflation.

The actual effect was a decade long economic depression.

https://www.economicshelp.org/blog/5948/economics/uk-economy-in-the-1920s/

[canuckledragger]

29. Justin Trudeau is unpopular among conservatives

Mostly because of non-stop right wing lies about him, and an ignorant populace that doesn't understand how their government works.

The trucker tantrum in Ottawa during the pandemic is a prime example, where idiots were baited and stirred up by outside influences, a few found to come from the US later on, where they tried to scapegoat Trudeau for mask mandates and such they didn't like, not understanding that the mandates were provincial, not federal, and they should've been whining to Doug Ford, the corrupt conservative Premier of Ontario....but because he's one of their own, they don't say boo about him.

A lot of it is also the expected immigrant slandering from the conservatives, racist's favourite punching bag.

[jimfields33]

77. He doesn't have reelection does he?

Seems like he’s been prime minister for a long time.

[MadameButterfly]

62. Rich people think prices are down because they hear it in the

news--confusing as you said inflation coming down with prices coming down.

They aren't squeezed enough financially to experience the continuing high prices.
They don't have a clue what most people are experiencing. I think this was downplayed even on liberal media because the people in the industry are too well off to really get it.

[slightlv]

68. Isn't it funny...

they can't understand price fixing vs inflation any better than they can understand "weather" vs climate change. Americans have been told for so long that they're exceptional, they no longer have the ability to think globally... let alone think critically.

[newdeal2]

2. He can see the whole picture

Unfortunately most voters are misinformed or confused about the issues and have no BS detector apparently.

[usonian]

3. Gremlins, of course

[FBaggins]

4. He shouldn't worry

There will be hundreds of explanations from all sides in the coming weeks

[Clouds Passing]

6. I don't know why William Shatner would agree to go on the Bill Maher show.

[SocialDemocrat61]

8. Because Maher is a huge Star Trek fan

and worships Shatner.

[Clouds Passing]

13. But as always, Maher had to be an arrogant jerk. Had to be oppositional with his hero, didn't he?

[SocialDemocrat61]

14. Of course

He can’t help himself.

[Clouds Passing]

55. I just heard on Tom Hartmann that Maher is pandering even farther to the lunatics now that dump is

[Deep State Witch]

56. Probably Because Maher Offered Him Money

Don't get me wrong, I love Uncle Bill. But the dude will do pretty much anything for a buck. Horses and ex-wives are expensive.

[nolabear]

71. LOL--my friend's ex was a Saddlebred show judge

This was about forty years ago. Shatner was obsessed with showing and apparently sucked up pretty hard. He gave my friend a USS Enterprise baseball jacket that she hardly wore because in Louisville, where they lived, old guys always wanted to talk to her about the navy. 🤣

[Intractable]

65. If I were a public personality, I'd gladly agree to do his show.

Maher can be quite the jerk sometimes.

But, there's a lot of audience to be reached with one's point of view, even if Maher argues with you.

[Clouds Passing]

67. Good point!

[Elmotime]

7. It's hard for millionaires to understand

Right or wrong, it's not surprising for the ultra wealthy to not understand the lives of lower income people.

[Keepthesoulalive]

11. He' saying

Folks should get the bigger picture. The price of eggs is going to be the least of our worries. The economy will be rubble when these idiots finish.

[yardwork]

45. Lower income people voted for Harris.

It was the majority of middle class people who voted for Trump. What's their excuse?

Every person I know who voted for Trump is either rich or very comfortable. Most of them have support from government pensions, too. They've done well and they were doing very well under Biden. Retired early, golfing a lot, buying and selling real estate.

[electric_blue68]

72. In my sister's circle who are mostly middle, upper middle class they

voted for Kamala.

[NoRethugFriends]

51. You have no idea what Shatner does or doesn't understand

[OldBaldy1701E]

75. Well, we should educate them.

I am betting a few years in the gutter would do wonders for their inability to understand lower income people.

But, I digress....

[Johonny]

9. It is not like Trump's economy was good

And his fixes sound awful.

It is almost like most of the swing voters used "the economy" to vote for other reasons. The economy is a good answer when you don't want a poll taker to think you're a racist misogynistic asshole.

[ItsjustMe]

10. Full interview

[mucifer]

12. I think he used to be an ethical vegetarian and a republican. That combination confused me. But that was long ago.

It would have been nice if he actually publicly endorsed Harris. He had the chance.

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. Shatner is Canadian

So he was never a republican. And some non-Americans don’t think it is their place to endorse candidates in another country’s elections.

[Ping Tung]

16. He obviously overestimated the intellingence of the American electorate.

[Ms. Toad]

17. Prices have NOT come down, definitely not in absolute terms,

And not even relative to any increase in income at the income level where it matters.

And that's the problem. We've treated a good economy level as if it was good for those who live paycheck to paycheck.

[groundloop]

25. But prices NEVER come down (unless we're in the throes of a very bad recession)

Of course the GQP was able to take advantage of that fact and convince uninformed voters that the economy sucked.

[Ms. Toad]

54. Pocketbook economy is bad, and our response was to tell them to stop lying paycheck

[yardwork]

46. People living paycheck to paycheck voted for Harris.

[Ms. Toad]

52. Many stayed home. n/t

[yardwork]

57. That's not why we lost.

We lost because a majority of middle class voters did vote, for Trump.

White district managers in sales offices in 45 states, who read spreadsheets and sales reports, who keep up on the emerging trends in their businesses, voted for Trump. They live in big houses, drive big trucks, and go on vacation to all-inclusive resorts. Couldn't be bothered to read Project 2025?

Small town lawyers and CPAs, who provide skilled services to their clients, couldn't understand the "big words" Kamala used?

Selfishness, grievances, resentments, and laziness doomed this country.

[Ms. Toad]

60. Did I say that was the reason we lost?

I responded to a specific question, with a factual response.

It was not THE reason but it was A reason. Low-income voters were turned off. Some states home. Some voted for Trump. If you tell people their empty wallets aren't real, and you take their bite for granted, the are going to stop showing. The data shows that is what happened.

If you don't like it, work to change our narrative, rather than continuing to deny the reality that exists for people living paycheck to paycheck

[yardwork]

61. When did Harris or Walz ever say that empty wallets weren't real?

Did they ever say that? Did they ever deny that reality?

What should they have said?

I know you're good at editing. Could you mark up a transcript of one of Harris's speeches and show us where she went wrong?

[kimbutgar]

18. When the economy gets worst and they start getting laid off and can't get unemployment help because

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The red states won’t have the money to help them we’re going to see a lot more homeless people.

And they can’t blame President Biden when this happens under dump.

[kiri]

24. getting laid vs pot

"they start getting laid off and can't get eunemployment help because...."

How about if they just stop getting laid?

In red states they can't turn to pot.

[calimary]

41. Oh, they'll find a way to blame Biden. Bet on it.

And once again, he’ll have had nothing to do with causing the problem - AND he won’t do much in terms of defending himself.

It may be as simple as: Biden is tired. He’s done fighting. He’s battled all his life for the benefit of the little guy, and he knows he’s at the end of his political career, and he’s just tired.

And frankly, I don’t blame him ONE BIT. NOT ONE BIT. He’s probably discouraged by the results of the election, when America chose a human meat grinder for president over a brilliant, informed, and compassionate opponent whose worst and most off-putting sin was being female.

I really feel for President Biden. I bet he’s looking back at a lifetime of legislation and work and effort and negotiations and meetings and research and fact-finding and …

… and wondering, now, if any of that was worth it.

A “grateful nation”? HAH! That’s what he should be encountering from every direction now. That’s what he deserves, after devoting his life to honest and sincere and selfless service to America. And he’s getting none. President Biden DOES NOT deserve that kind of treatment at the end of what should be widely hailed as an amazing and brilliant career based on loyal long-time SERVICE TO AMERICA.

We should all be deeply ashamed of how President Biden is being disrespected on his way out, after a LIFETIME of putting THE PEOPLE first. We won’t see a leader like that again - probably for a long time. And now we’ve got a two-headed monster in trump and Elon Musk, each working hard to assert dominance and prioritizing how HE personally can benefit from it and get even richer than he already is (OR wants you to THINK he is).

[CaptainTruth]

19. Right-wing propaganda.

[flashman13]

20. Bill Maher is an ass.

[Beck23]

21. Listen to Thom Hartmann today

He also has a pod cast. He will interview Stephen Spoonamore.

[LisaM]

22. Turnout. The issue was turnout.

I don't know if it was all due to suppression or voter depression, but certain groups that could have turned didn't.

I will never take Gen Z complaints about previous generations seriously again, since they could have moved the needle with enormous turnout but didn't. Did all Boomers and Xers always turn out or vote correctly? Of course not. And now we can say the same about Gen Z.

[Mosby]

26. 100+ million Americans didn't vote.

And the youth vote seems to be splitting down gender lines, 18-25 yo men voted for Trump.

[groundloop]

28. There was an absolute shit-ton if misinformation floating around thanks to Musk and Putin, among others

On top of the GQP's normal voter suppression efforts. AND media mostly gave tRUMP a free pass on absolutely everything.

In my most humble opinion Kamala ran a very good campaign, we just got screwed over by the perfect storm of outside influence and ratfuckery.

[LisaM]

34. And at least one, possibly two, generations

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that get their news from sources like fucking TikTok.

We have college professors complaining (with good reason, it seems) that they have students in incoming classes who can't read an entire book. And this includes at elite universities.

If true - and I have no reason to believe it isn't, I know a professor at Pomona who says her students are having their papers written by AI and don't actually understand why it's wrong - then the situation is likely far worse with people who don't go to college at all.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

42. George Carlin's theory holds up.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCeV0NaJL98/?igsh=MWQ1ZGUxMzBkMA==

[egduj]

23. When he said the economy is good, that became evident.

I'm sure his accountant reported that his investment portfolio has made significant gains .

Unfortunately, we all don't have Star Trek money.

[Mosby]

27. Dude is 93 years old.

Maybe cut him some slack.

[andym]

43. Bill Shatner lived out of his truck after Star Trek was canceled

"William Shatner has revealed his life was a mess when Star Trek went off the air in 1969.

The actor – who played Captain James Tiberius Kirk in the science fiction television series – has revealed he ended up living out of his car because he was so cash-strapped.

‘A pickup truck, actually,’ Shatner admitted.

‘It was the early 1970s and I was recently divorced. I had three kids and was totally broke. I managed to find work back east on the straw-hat circuit – summer stock – but couldn’t afford hotels, so I lived out of the back of my truck, under a hard shell."

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https://metro.co.uk/2014/02/27/william-shatner-lived-out-of-a-truck-after-star-trek-4324743/

He knows a little about the middle class living.

[SocialDemocrat61]

58. Truth is even in the movies

none of the cast made a lot of money. They rely a lot on conventions, personal appearances, commercials, etc.

[KentuckyWoman]

63. He does not have star trek money either

He was homeless for quite some time after the series ended. Obviously he's doing well now but don't mistake him for an elite.

[Intractable]

66. He was paid many millions for the ST movies that he was in.

I heard a figure of $2million for Star Trek II, circa 1982.

Kirstie Ally who played Saavik in ST:II, demanded a salary equal to Shatner for ST:III.

The result is that the extremely attractive Robin Curtis was tapped for the role. I'm sure they paid Curtis very little. Shortly after, she did a stint on General Hospital, where I'm sure they paid her very little.

[SocialDemocrat61]

73. $2 million for STII?

What is the source of that?

The total budget of Star Trek II was $12 million. If Shatner was paid $2 Million, then Nimoy would have been paid that too. Which would mean a third of the budget went to their salaries. Doesn’t make sense.

[Intractable]

74. It's a figure I heard a long time ago. Nimoy did not have Shatner's salary.

ST:II was made on the cheap.

I just got this from Perplexity a minute ago:

William Shatner's salary for Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) is reported to be around $1.5 million. This amount marked a significant increase from his earnings during the original television series, where he earned about $5,000 per episode in the first season of Star Trek in the 1960s

In the context of the film industry at that time, Shatner's compensation for Star Trek II reflected his growing stature as a leading actor, especially given the franchise's success. By the time of the film's release, Shatner had become synonymous with the character of Captain James T. Kirk, which likely contributed to his higher salary compared to earlier roles.

[SocialDemocrat61]

76. Still sounds high

And would like a more credible source than an AI generator.

[Intractable]

79. Then by all means, go find your source and report back to us with the urgent news from 42 years ago.

[SocialDemocrat61]

80. You made the claim

It’s up to you to provide a credible source for it.

[Intractable]

82. And I told you to go find your own answer.

Enough of this.

[SocialDemocrat61]

83. So in other words

You can’t prove what you said. OK.

[Intractable]

84. I don't have to prove anything to you, especially since you have nothing to offer but your own obsession with the topic.

[SocialDemocrat61]

85. So we are clear

You made a claim and can’t prove it. Okay.

[Intractable]

86. We are clear. It was clear in my first post that it was a long-standing memory, not an encyclopedic fact.

Why must you must pester me about this? Go google it for yourself.

There's an original series Star Trek episode called "Obsession." Maybe you can learn something from it.

[SocialDemocrat61]

87. Thanks for continuing to kick my thread

because you’re unable to prove what you said.

[Intractable]

88. And that's why you are arguing with me repeating this nonsense about proof? So you can kick your OP?

That's the most pathetic thing I have read in a long time.

[SocialDemocrat61]

89. Maybe so

But I don’t make claims unless I can provide a credible source to prove.

[kelly1mm]

30. Prices have not 'come down'. Thats not how lowering the inflation rate works. Prices are not rising as fast

as they were previously but they are not, as a whole, lowering. Think of it like a ratchet. It can click fast (high inflation) or slow (low inflation) but it only goes one way (prices go up).

Technically there could be deflation where prices across the board really do go down but for a myriad of reasons it is a bad thing.

[Think. Again.]

31. I love how well mahar pretended that...

...being a Black women has nothing to do with the chances of a candidate.

He has practiced lying for so long, it comes out sounding like he means it.

[yardwork]

47. Bill Maher is an ass.

[Think. Again.]

48. Yes.

[nuxvomica]

33. Funny how a black woman is "identity politics"

But a white man isn't.

[SocialDemocrat61]

59. Exactly

The GOP is the master of identity politics. They appeal to straight, white, Christians, especially men, and tell them that they’ll protect them against all those bad other people.

[BradBo]

35. The Republicans stole he election.

[orleans]

38. ..bullet ballots/undervotes adnormally higher in

swing states

Inside Donald Trump's bizarre birthday speech as he tells voters 'I don't need your vote'

https://www.themirror.com/news/us-news/inside-donald-trumps-bizarre-birthday-539034

[Think. Again.]

49. Again.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

36. Our plumber is from Norway.

He doesn't know what happened to us. And he is a self-proclaimed news junkie. He knows how Fox News edits out damaging behavior.

It might be the Putinesque "Firehose of Falsehood".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood?wprov=sfla1

[Think. Again.]

50. Is he single and will he marry me? please?

[SleeplessinSoCal]

53. Nope. Sorry. He's married.

He's a character. Very nice.

[kansasobama]

37. Boy, we value ourselves too highly Shatner.

Let me give you a straight answer. How about 50% of our people are racist, sexist, misogynist and do not care for rule of justice and democracy.

People overvalue us based on history. This is a new era out to destroy our self respect. We are not a great nation.

[LilElf70]

39. Even Captain Kirk don't get it.

I don't feel so bad now.

[Intractable]

64. This guy has violated the Federation's Prime Directive so many times, I don't think he could understand it.

Kirk is my boyhood hero.

Things tend to be somewhat black and white for Kirk.

He's not Picard who said in some episode, "It is possible to do everything right, and still get the wrong outcome." Picard gets it.

I hate to say it, but Picard makes a better Captain.

[AdamGG]

40. Shatner probably isn't aware of the Orwellian hate media that millions consume every day

He's assuming that the American electorate is basing their decisions on reality.

[ThePartyThatListens]

44. Shatner can't understand why Maher is such an a-hole.

Hopefully, he'll come around to it before too long.

[Bluethroughu]

69. Sorry, I do think it's "the secret" stolen.

Bullet ballots are 1000% higher than usual in only the swing states.

[dai13sy]

70. I'm with Bill Shatner - Why did the Democrats lose? How could "Bozo the Clown" have won?

[JohnSJ]

78. Because the reality is the US is not a good country. It is full of racists, sexists, and hate mongers.

The choices we’re very clear, and the face that a sociopath will not occupy the Wh again only highlights just just how bad we are.

There will be consequences, and a lot of people will be hurt before this is over.

[Omnipresent]

81. The economy was good in 2016 before orange anus took office.

Maybe this country really doesn’t want a female president?