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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/17/haitian-immigrants-springfield-ohio-trump-electionHaitian immigrants flee Springfield, Ohio, in droves after Trump election win
City subjected to false rumors from Trump loses residents integral to community over mass deportation fears
Stephen Starr in Springfield, Ohio
Sun 17 Nov 2024 09.00 EST
From a tiny office behind a Haitian grocery store on Springfields South Limestone Street, Margery Koveleski has spent years helping local Haitians overcome bureaucratic red tape to make their lives in the Ohio city a little bit easier.
But Koveleski whose family is Haitian has noticed a major change recently.
Haitians are now coming to her to figure out how to leave.
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NickB79
(19,625 posts)Speaking from personal experience. The overwhelmingly white residents are aging, having smaller families, and many of their children are moving away for college and better careers. You get rid of the immigrant influx, and the towns will wither and die. Businesses will close, hospitals will close, schools will have to cut programs as the tax base shrinks.
My mom's hometown has a Jenni-O turkey processing facility that is the biggest employer in the area. 2/3 of the workers are immigrants, or children of immigrants. My mom recently retired from there, and boy did she and all the other white people bitch about about the Hispanic and Somali employees. My sister manages a Burger King, and almost all her workers are Hispanic, so much so that she and her teenage daughter have learned Spanish just from working with them so long.
Rural Red America is slitting it's own throat by turning their backs on immigrants.
they will suffer for the pain of immigrants fleeing. Due to their own ignorance.
DSandra
(1,260 posts)Demobrat
(9,793 posts)But the story doesnt go like that. American companies knowingly and willingly hire hundreds of thousands of immigrant workers, but its the workers themselves who are harassed punished, and forced to live in fear. Not the Americans who profit from their labor.
Blue_Tires
(55,787 posts)I still want to know why everyone has a hot take about Kamala's "messaging" when Donnie and JD literally by their own admission invented a smear against a LEGAL immigrant community...
I don't give a rat's ass anymore -- I want Dems in 2028 to be the masters of the dark arts of troll farms and spreading disinformation.
dalton99a
(84,289 posts)(as long as it is not expressly forbidden by law or statutes)
Blue Full Moon
(1,165 posts)bdamomma
(66,439 posts)with their 50% of people living in poverty. The felon recently had the Argentinian leader at Mar A Loco. Comparing and sharing notes of Project 2025.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm55yv0g0veo
Blue Full Moon
(1,165 posts)Meaning us.
sop
(11,198 posts)And when their economy crumbles, Trump will tell them it's because taxes are too high and there are too many government regulations. And they'll believe him again.
hatrack
(60,934 posts)LisaL
(46,603 posts)NT
hatrack
(60,934 posts).
LymphocyteLover
(6,762 posts)Yavin4
(36,386 posts)But what they do not understand is that Japan treats ALL of its workers well regardless of the jobs that they do. Their subways are clean bc they PAY their workers well to clean it. Their workers don't have to worry about healthcare or retirement.
We depend on immigrants and undocumented workers bc AMERICANS WON'T DO shitty jobs.
Blue Full Moon
(1,165 posts)Every job in this country should be a living wage. So bringing immigrants in to do work that doesn't pay or have benefits is pretty much Human trafficking.
Yavin4
(36,386 posts)But in America, you have to pay a wage so that workers can afford housing, healthcare, and transportation which means paying a minimum of $40K/year on average for every job. Now, if we build a ton more housing, more mass transit, single payer, as well as a more money to SS, then you can pay workers less. But we don't do that. We've created an economy where you have to make a lot of money just to have a dignified standard of living.
TomSlick
(11,890 posts)on either slave or cheap immigrant labor. If there is no cheap immigrant labor, the economy will crash.
Yavin4
(36,386 posts)Without a peasant or slave class, it all goes to shit.
TomSlick
(11,890 posts)If Trump deports too many undocumented workers, the economy will tank.
Yavin4
(36,386 posts)You aint seen nothing yet.
TomSlick
(11,890 posts)ThePartyThatListens
(88 posts)DSandra
(1,260 posts)Full film here:
LymphocyteLover
(6,762 posts)Captain Zero
(7,507 posts)LymphocyteLover
(6,762 posts)kerouac2
(680 posts)They will surely blame the Haitians.