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Dennis Donovan

(25,566 posts)
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 09:46 AM Sunday

NYT: Trump Signals a 'Seismic Shift,' Shocking the Washington Establishment

NYT - (archived: https://archive.md/TZxmG ) Trump Signals a ‘Seismic Shift,’ Shocking the Washington Establishment

The president-elect’s early transition moves amount to a generational test of a system as he seeks to rewrite the balance of power and install lieutenants to blow up key parts of government.

By Peter Baker
Reporting from Washington

Nov. 17, 2024, 5:02 a.m. ET
Somehow disruption doesn’t begin to cover it. Upheaval might be closer. Revolution maybe. In less than two weeks since being elected again, Donald J. Trump has embarked on a new campaign to shatter the institutions of Washington as no incoming president has in his lifetime.

He has rolled a giant grenade into the middle of the nation’s capital and watched with mischievous glee to see who runs away and who throws themselves on it. Suffice it to say, so far there have been more of the former than the latter. Mr. Trump has said that “real power” is the ability to engender fear, and he seems to have achieved that.

Mr. Trump’s early transition moves amount to a generational stress test for the system. If Republicans bow to his demand to recess the Senate so that he can install appointees without confirmation, it would rewrite the balance of power established by the founders more than two centuries ago. And if he gets his way on selections for some of the most important posts in government, he would put in place loyalists intent on blowing up the very departments they would lead.

He has chosen a bomb-throwing backbench congressman who has spent his career attacking fellow Republicans and fending off sex-and-drugs allegations to run the same Justice Department that investigated him, though it did not charge him, on suspicion of trafficking underage girls. He has chosen a conspiracy theorist with no medical training who disparages the foundations of conventional health care to run the Department of Health and Human Services.



He has chosen a weekend morning television host with a history of defending convicted war criminals while sporting a Christian Crusader tattoo that has been adopted as a symbol by the far right to run the most powerful armed forces in the history of the world. He has chosen a former congresswoman who has defended Middle East dictators and echoed positions favored by Russia to oversee the nation’s intelligence agencies.

Nine years after Mr. Trump began upsetting political norms, it may be easy to underestimate just how extraordinary all of this is. In the past, none of those selections would have passed muster in Washington, where a failure to pay employment taxes for a nanny used to be enough to disqualify a cabinet nominee. Mr. Trump, by contrast, has bulled past the old red lines, opting for nominees who are so provocative that even fellow Republicans wondered whether he is trolling them.

/snip


Ryan Goodman
‪@rgoodlaw.bsky.social‬
"Mr. Trump’s margin of victory in the national popular vote will be one of the smallest in history. Since 1888, only two other presidents who won both the Electoral College and the popular vote had smaller margins of victory."
www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/u...

November 17, 2024 at 9:02 AM


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NYT: Trump Signals a 'Seismic Shift,' Shocking the Washington Establishment (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Sunday OP
Then they have been very deliberately not paying attention. tanyev Sunday #1
Exactly. They are only pretending to be shocked. Irish_Dem Sunday #3
We all knew this (maybe not some voters) newdeal2 Sunday #2
No, they will fold like everyone else. Irish_Dem Sunday #4
Not a seismic shift, but a seismic shit BoRaGard Sunday #5
My fucking ass they are shocked. Every fucking person in this country knew exactly what they were Autumn Sunday #6
People didn't pay attention. They aren't paying attention. They don't believe it. CousinIT Sunday #7
The fucking "Department of 'DOGE' ". Government by goddamn meme. This is what we have... keep_left Sunday #23
the "great Elon Musk" is fast becoming milestogo Sunday #24
"Oh, we had NO IDEA he would do something like this" dalton99a Sunday #8
We need to get ready Blue_Tires Sunday #21
Yep. I'm already hearing previews of their excuses: CousinIT Sunday #30
When the stock market crashes they'll finally do something flamingdem Sunday #9
Or he will buy up a bunch of Government bonds when interest rates go up again and further than ever standingtall Sunday #13
It'll be too late by then. In fact, it's already too late. Martin68 Sunday #22
Oh, you know that's coming. I'm surprised Eloon hasn't floated... keep_left Sunday #26
No one is truly shocked dlk Sunday #10
They wanted the circus back, and now they got it Blue_Tires Sunday #18
They haven't reached the "find out" level of understanding, yet dlk Sunday #27
Bullshit. do a hand count in all the swing states. Greybnk48 Sunday #11
shit-flinging monkeys pfitz59 Sunday #12
to NYT, this is just about the establishment and the elite bigtree Sunday #14
Im kinda disappointed that we johnnyfins Sunday #15
What absurdity. Who is foolish enough to believe that given 20 opportunities to stop this Bluetus Sunday #16
Who wrote the headline - Trump? mzmolly Sunday #17
As We See Measels Oubreaks, OhioTim Sunday #19
If the DC establishment could possibly be shocked by any of Trumps' appointments, then they all have their heads Martin68 Sunday #20
So "generational upheaval" "chaos" and "revolution" is the next NYT horse race? EarthFirst Sunday #25
And it is just beginning. republianmushroom Sunday #28
KAKISTOCRACY -- not "shift" or "upheaval" Martin Eden Sunday #29

Autumn

(46,295 posts)
6. My fucking ass they are shocked. Every fucking person in this country knew exactly what they were
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:15 AM
Sunday

going to do. He said it over and over, they had written proof. Fuck them and fuck him.

CousinIT

(10,193 posts)
7. People didn't pay attention. They aren't paying attention. They don't believe it.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:34 AM
Sunday

Who reads the below and thinks: "Oh, they just want to get rid of waste in the govt. Make it run more efficiently!"

Um. NO.

"sending shockwaves through the system" and "Manhattan Project" means DESTRUCTION. Not "efficiency".




My MAGAt relatives - my sister specifically - responded in this way to Trump's announcement.

Shitler, Republicans, Musk, and Bannon have been saying FOR NINE YEARS that they want to destroy the US government.

People either:

Weren't listening
Didn't belive it
Didn't care.

AND THEY ARE GOING TO REGRET IT. Unfortunately, the rest of us will suffer mightily along with them.

STUPID jackasses.

keep_left

(2,413 posts)
23. The fucking "Department of 'DOGE' ". Government by goddamn meme. This is what we have...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:03 PM
Sunday

...and I guess what we deserve, in the year 2024. And we also have essentially two VPs, Eloon and Vance, except that we never hear from the real VP anymore, because Eloon is too busy shooting off his mouth.

By the way, Eloon has been a big fan of this moronic meme "culture" for a long time now, particularly when it comes to Pepes, Apus, and other Nazi frog memes. He is notorious for posting memes plagiarized from the banned subreddit r/Frenworld. Some old-timers here may remember that shitshow.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219698947#post13
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218128416#post64

Blue_Tires

(55,784 posts)
21. We need to get ready
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:48 PM
Sunday

For all the times we're going to hear that phrase from lazy pundits, cable news and other Washington insiders, because they've all got amnesia for anything that happened 2016-20... What, did they fucking think TFG would somehow be "better" this time since his first term was a "practice run"?!

Oh, and we also have to get ready for how many pundits, Washington insiders and disgruntled former Trump staffers will write tell-all books about how Elmer and JD were really running the country and other shocking revelations because Donnie's brain dead... Literary agents are going to be VERY busy...

CousinIT

(10,193 posts)
30. Yep. I'm already hearing previews of their excuses:
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 05:53 PM
Sunday

“We never could have known….”
“It’s all the Democrats’ fault!”
“Well the other side did/didn’t …. Blah.”
“Well we need to be a dictatorship! Nothing else worked!”
“Well we were already a dictatorship! You’re just mad because it’s not your party in power now!”

flamingdem

(39,916 posts)
9. When the stock market crashes they'll finally do something
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 11:47 AM
Sunday

But by then Elon could be working on the plan to change the dollar to digital currency and enrich himself further and all the other bros - and too late.

standingtall

(2,954 posts)
13. Or he will buy up a bunch of Government bonds when interest rates go up again and further than ever
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:22 PM
Sunday

Like JP Morgan did. So when we are finally free of Trump he'll make a killing. I think they had some type of legislation to prevent JP Morgan types from doing that again, but if that's still in place it's going to be gone soon with Trump and republicans controlling the Government.

keep_left

(2,413 posts)
26. Oh, you know that's coming. I'm surprised Eloon hasn't floated...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:18 PM
Sunday

...that idea already. I can just see it now: Eloon's op-ed in the WSJ, "Dump the Dollar for Dogecoin!".

dlk

(12,365 posts)
10. No one is truly shocked
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:09 PM
Sunday

This is exactly what Trump said he would do and too many went right along with it.

This is merely the intense hangover after the bacchanal. The long nightmare is only beginning

dlk

(12,365 posts)
27. They haven't reached the "find out" level of understanding, yet
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 02:24 PM
Sunday

Unfortunately, it’s still to come.

bigtree

(90,146 posts)
14. to NYT, this is just about the establishment and the elite
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:22 PM
Sunday

...not the people.

Perfect illustration of the cynical, privileged game they're playing with our country's future.

Bluetus

(91 posts)
16. What absurdity. Who is foolish enough to believe that given 20 opportunities to stop this
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:34 PM
Sunday

at an earlier stage, the Beltway Institutionalists, especially the Republican establishment did nothing. And now, after the damage is done and power consolidated, somebody is going to stand up to him? What a bunch of hogwash we get from "America's newspaper".

OhioTim

(296 posts)
19. As We See Measels Oubreaks,
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:41 PM
Sunday

and with Kennedy in charge, it's not too far fetched to see our country overwhelmed with flu, covid and other diseases in an unvaccinated population to a point where we may have trouble functioning. This would allow our adversaries the opportunity to take advantage of weakness and make a first strike against us.

Martin68

(24,604 posts)
20. If the DC establishment could possibly be shocked by any of Trumps' appointments, then they all have their heads
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:47 PM
Sunday

up their asses.

EarthFirst

(3,151 posts)
25. So "generational upheaval" "chaos" and "revolution" is the next NYT horse race?
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:07 PM
Sunday

Which; or all is the NYT/MSM rooting for?

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