What I learned in the last few days on DU .... I might be wrong but since it is on the internet it should be true.

[Botany]

Trump received 600,000 bullet ballots in swing states where the only vote was for President
and none for any of the other races.

Democratic Senators want to know about any conversations between Musk & Putin.

It is looking like Harris has a CHANCE to have more votes than Trump in the final popular vote count.

“Russian presidential aide Nikolay Patrushev noted that while the U.S. election may be over, Trump is still beholden to “certain forces.”“. (How much Russian help did Trump get in the election?)

Computer Security Experts Urge Harris To Demand Hand Recount

*********

My own theory. Having Musk handle the voting data from the election on his Starlink
raises big questions for me about the election’s out come.

[Rebl2]

1. Doubtful

she will do it. Maybe she will surprise me and demand it, but doubt it.

[recovering_democrat]

2. Do it anyway

that is all that needs to be said and done , and done over and over again

[gab13by13]

3. So Trump received 600k bullet votes

How many bullet votes did Kamala get?

We are supposed to believe that people took the time to vote and only voted for president?

No fucking way. I live among Magats and they hate Democrats,

Why didn’t they vote straight Magat?

[Botany]

5. Please tell me how Trump got the majority of the Native American vote?

Nobody has done more for Native Americans than Joe Biden in my lifetime and maybe
in the history of America. Something just doesn’t pass my smell test.

[Mr. Evil]

12. How did TSF get the majority of the vote of all the people he insulted?

[Botany]

13. My guess is that there was cheating.

And you are right about insulting Native Americans too. Didn’t he call some woman
Pocahontas when she said she had Native American ancestors?

[Harker]

14. Sen. Elizabeth Warren. n/t

[JoseBalow]

16. Elizabeth Warren

He's such a vile piece of shit

[Mr. Evil]

17. He's an insufferable ass.

He isn't the problem. It's the supreme assholes behind the scenes driving this madness.

[hadEnuf]

18. Not to mention the fact that the results were all nice and wrapped up

pratically by bedtime. (EST anyway)

[Mountain Mule]

25. What!?

I live in Indian Country and my house is just a few miles away from the tribal lands of the Ute Mountain Utes. I attend the meetings of.the local Dems and the precinct which covers the Ute land has been reliably Democrat for as long as I can remember. If it were up to the Ute tribe, Hillary would have won in 2016 and they were all for Joe in 2020. The same is true for.the Navajo Nation just a few miles on from the Utes. There is no way that anyone could.make me believe that these folks did a complete flip in favor of the orange buffoon.

[Botany]

44. You are right for the Native Peoples to vote against Harris who was partners with Joe Biden

who has done so much for the Native Peoples and vote for that disgusting pile of shit who has
been openly hostile and degrading to them does not pass my smell test. From appointing Deb
Haaland as Secretary of the Interior, helping to restore and protect the salmon waters, setting
aside 1 million acres close to the Grand Canyon to honor their ancestors, and so much more
Biden/Harris have been in the People’s corner.

The election was dirty and the data was either changed and or flipped I just know it even if
I can’t prove it. Russia, Musk, rich and powerful interests, our media, and tens of millions of
mouth breathing assholes who did vote for Trump in #s large enough that stealing the election
was possible we are truly fucked. Btw I still can’t watch the news or read a newspaper.

[LittleGirl]

47. Exactly, those people are not stupid

They are smart and know where their assistance comes from and it ain't trump.
I think the native nations need to do a hand count in AZ and compare the results. There is no way they went for 45.

[Igel]

7. A lot of states don't allow voting for a slate or straight ticket.

You vote candidate by candidate, topic by topic.

And for a lot of voting systems, it's one candidate or issue per screen, with a confirmation screen after each one. "Are you sure?" basically.

[Jit423]

15. You have asked the best question yet. Why not vote straight GOP ticket if you came out to vote for Trump?

What would 600,000 votes do to the total? Can it be shown in which states this "bullet voting" occurred?

[ShazzieB]

19. Laziness?

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I don't know which states provide the option of voting for every candidate of a particular party in one step (which is the literal meaning of voting a "straight ticket" ), but not all of them do.

I live in Illinois, a state that does not have the straight ticket option. In order to vote for all the Democratic candidates, I have to go through the whole ballot and select the Democrat in each race. It's not that hard, and I don't mind doing it, but it does take a little more effort. Some people are pretty lazy, and some are not fully committed to one specific party like most (all?) of us DUers. I can imagine some of those people not feeling motivated to bother going through the whole ballot.

I don't know what to think of the report of 60,000(?) ballots voting only for potus (and for the same candidate, which seems like quite a coincidence), but laziness could conceivably account for some people voting that way.

[magicarpet]

30. Your third paragraph,...

I don't think the number being mentioned for trDumpy Plumpy's "bullet ballots" is 6,000. The correct total number is 600,000.

If my understanding is correct.

[ShazzieB]

38. Oops!

Thanks, I'll fix it.

[NJCher]

31. No, it can't

There are norms and they are in the area of .5. The letter from Spoonamore tells what the figure is for this and it is egregiously out of range.

Read both the Duty letters and you will see. Later when I am on my notebook instead of my iPad, I will retrieve that paragraph for you and put it in this post.

[Jack Valentino]

34. Michigan still has "straight ticket" voting. Republicans tried to get rid of it

a while back, but they failed.

Even with the straight ticket option, I used to go through and vote for each Democratic candidate...
Now I'm older and less patient, I punch the Democratic ticket hole (so to speak, since we color a circle now.)

Probably a lot of the northeastern states have straight ticket voting, but I'm not sure. NY, I would think, but not sure about that either.

[defacto7]

27. I read earlier here that it was all in the swing states

Something like 364,000 in NC alone.

[NJCher]

32. It was obvious what they were doing

Getting enough votes so no recount was required.

[soldierant]

46. Yes, it appears.

https://freespeechforpeople.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/letter-to-vp-harris-111324.pdf

I don't know any of these people but I recognize one ot two of the affiliations. I'm not in a position to fact check whether they are with those froups, ora anything else about the signers.

[DENVERPOPS]

54. It is said to have happened

ONLY in the swing states........

Way way beyond suspicious if true.......

[littlemissmartypants]

40. Very few states have straight ticket voting anymore.

As of 2022, only seven states use straight-ticket voting: Alabama, Indiana*, Michigan, Kentucky, Oklahoma, South Carolina, and Nevada (*Indiana has abolished straight-ticket voting for at-large races).

https://electionlab.mit.edu/research/straight-ticket-voting

[bearsfootball516]

45. I literally met one of them the day after the election.

She told me she only votes in presidential years, thinks politicians are scum, and voted for Trump and left the rest of the ballot blank.

[H2O Man]

4. Recommended.

Very interesting.

[onenote]

6. You may have "learned" trump received 600,000 "bullet ballots". I learned that claim looks like bullshit.

As pointed out multiple times, there allegedly were 350,000 ballots cast in North Carolina where the only vote cast was for Trump in the presidential race. Yet, there were only 88,500 fewer votes cast in the governor's race, which basically blows up the bullet ballot conspiracy. To say nothing of the fact that it makes no sense to claim 600,000 bullet ballots were cast in the 7 swing states, but more than half in North Carolina alone. And if there was a way for repubs to manufacture ballots, why only have a vote for Trump on them? They wanted it to look more suspicious and, at the same time, not attempt to flip Democratic Senate seats in swing states or statewide offices in north carolina?

Finally, where does the information about alleged "bullet ballots" come from, because there isn't anything on the official North Carolina elections site that would allow one to calculate the number of such votes.

"

[littlemissmartypants]

41. To get the number of ...

So-called bullet ballots one must do their own calculations from the numbers provided by NCSBE.

You are correct that number is not tracked but can easily be determined by calculations using available data.

Keep in mind that any calculations done now are only estimates because like many other places North Carolina is still counting votes.

❤️

[onenote]

43. So do you think that there are 270,000 votes left to count in NC and they'll all be for Trump and none of the other

races will have any additional votes for anyone? The NC website doesn't indicate any votes still outstanding and the NBC tracking site says that there may be 22,000 votes still uncounted -- nowhere near the 270,000 that would have to magically appear to produce a 350,000 bullet ballots for Trump.

And exactly where on the NCSBE website is their information from which you can determine how many bullet ballots were cast. Let's say you compared the number of votes cast in a precinct for all the different races.There probably will be different numbers of votes in each race and there may not be a single race where the votes cast matches the total number of votes cast in the election. Indeed, according to the NCSBE website there were 5,722,556 votes cast -- which means there are around 40,000 ballots didn't vote for anyone for President.

So, how can one determine how many votes were "bullet ballots" for Trump from that data? I'm open to an explanation, but it has to be grounded in fact.

[littlemissmartypants]

62. ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219729399#post4

[littlemissmartypants]

65. You can do the math yourself.

The data goes back to 2002, fyi.

Election Results Dashboard:
https://er.ncsbe.gov/

Several Counties to Certify Election Early Next Week
https://www.ncsbe.gov/news/press-releases/2024/11/15/several-counties-certify-election-early-next-week

[SunSeeker]

71. Yes, doing the math myself, bullet ballots are 1.88% of total NC ballots, not 11%.

Total NC Ballots: 5,722,556

Total NC Ballots for Governor: 5,590,196
Total NC Ballots for President: 5,697,722
Difference: 107,526

107,526÷5,722,556= 1.88% (rounded off to the second decimal).

[littlemissmartypants]

72. Thanks, SunSeeker. ❤️

[DENVERPOPS]

56. All I know

is Hitler's main henchman stated: It doesn't matter about the voting, only those "counting" the votes.......

[onenote]

58. The North Carolina votes have been counted. Trump won. But that count doesn't support the bullet ballot allegation

If the folks counting the ballots were counting "bullet ballots" why didn't they add enough votes to Trump's number, or substrate enough from all the statewide races so that there would be 350,000 vote difference, rather than an 88,500 difference.

[DENVERPOPS]

59. I am sure it will be argued for years and years

It is hard to know what to believe.......but I do recall all the shenanigans pulled in the infamous Florida 2000 election by the USSC, and in the 2004 election by EIS voting machines.

It would seem, that our method of elections, has some interesting holes...........

[DENVERPOPS]

60. And then,

there is this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219733251

[Nimble_Idea]

8. they said, it would be too big to rig and they knew it from the start what the outcome was going to be

[Botany]

10. Sept 4th Trump, "I don't need anymore votes."

And then later he masturbated and acted like he was giving a blow job to the microphone,
talked about Arnold Palmer’s penis in Palmer’s hometown, and had half empty venues were
people were walking out on his speeches as Kamala and the Coach were just crushing it.

I might be wrong but the outcome doesn’t pass my smell test.

[Silent Type]

9. Do you have a citation on 600 K bullet vote? And Snopes says the Starlink connection is wrong.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/musk-starlink-2024-election/

[Botany]

11. Here you go

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219728505

Thanks for posting.

[uponit7771]

20. Snopes strawman doesn't count, starlink was used that's enough to suspect shady shit seeing Melon an extreme partisan

[Silent Type]

21. Snopes works for me, especially using DailyKos and Brad as a legitimate source.

[uponit7771]

23. Snopes works for me too just not the strawman they're proffering. People are asking for just the use of star link to be

... looked at by itself seeing it is been run by a hyper-partisan Trump backer.

I don't see anything controversial about that

[Silent Type]

24. OK. I'm moving on until someone that matters -- Harris, Biden, etc. -- says we need a recount.

[mahina]

49. You matter too

[DENVERPOPS]

61. Any different from the EIS? CEO

and his questionable voting machines in the 2004 election......that were never looked at, conveniently

[Botany]

37. Russian disinformation actors MIGHT be in play

With what once was solid sources such as
Snopes. I do know that Putin and Russia are
@ war with America and western democracies.

Storm-1516 is the latest iteration of their

[DENVERPOPS]

63. The DIRECTOR of U.S. Intelligence

Stated, weeks before the election, that the amount of election interference in this 2024 election was far, far greater than in the 2016 election by Not only Russia, but by China, and North Korea, (and maybe India also)????

[tintinvotes]

52. Snopes, lol

Snopes also thinks Dfg didn't say there's good people on both sides of Charlottesville. Probably bought out by maga like the rest of the lamestream media that sanewashed the weirdo who deep throated his microphone.

[GiqueCee]

22. Let's get down to basics...

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... Republicans lie to their dying mothers for idea amusement. They are congenitally incapable of telling the truth about the time of day. They lie because only lies can justify or defend their diseased believe system.
Just look at Trump's rhetoric! he's been telling everyone "You won't ever have to vote again! we've got this!" "We've already got the votes", before any votes were even cast! It goes on and on and on. If Democrats love their country, they cannot let this slide just because they might look partisan. That's bullshit. For fuck's sake, the Russians are bragging that they put Trump back in the White House, and now he owes them. And we're supposed to go all Pollyanna and let them get away with it?!!? Are you fucking kidding me?
Kamala can't take the lead on this, it has to be surrogates that storm the bastions of corruption, but storm them they must, or America is lost forever to these malignant, psychopathic oligarchs who are behind ALL of this, in an unholy alliance with Putin. They've all go their own axe to grind, but do NOT let these evil bastards get away with this!

[osteopath6]

29. While that may be true

And it could be, our own government disagrees. Since our party is in power at the moment I have to believe they aren't lying.

I also choose to believe they know more than people online so. They have paid experts working 24/7/365 on this kind of stuff. There's no guessing or wondering. https://cisa.gov

[delisen]

48. It is important to pursue any evidence our children are worth it.

Future elections will are less likely to be fair and the more people willing to spend time on this and learn the better off we will be

The improvements in voting machine security over the last , a 24 years were driven by us citizens raising questions

[DENVERPOPS]

64. Bravo GC

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.

But the DNC or any other Dem, most likely won't confront them, anymore than the did in 2000 and 2004 elections.....

[EdmondDantes_]

26. I'm incredibly skeptical of the bullet ballot claim

The claim was 350,000 of those just in North Carolina. But the total difference between the governor race and president race wasn't anywhere near 350,000.

[NJCher]

33. Did you read the

Duty letters?

[onenote]

51. I did and they don't make any effort to substantiate their claim or provide any source.

The reality is that the total number of votes in the presidential race in North Carolina is only 88500 more than the number of votes in the Governor's race -- so how is it that there were 350,000 "bullet ballot" votes in the presidential race? Where on the publicly available North Carolina official election website is there information from which one could calculate the number of bullet ballots? If there were 600,000 of these manufactured ballots over seven states, why were 350,000 of them in North Carolina and only 250,000 spread over six states? Why manufacture 600,000 ballots with only a vote for Trump and no other republican? Did someone think that would be less suspicious? Did they not want to flip the Senate seats in Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan and Nevada or any of the statewide offices held by Democrats in North Carolina?

Spoonamore is under no legal "duty to warn" -- he labeled his letters as such in order to garner attention. And his letters do not address or otherwise attempt to answer any of the questions posed above.

[osteopath6]

28. Key flaw

Starlink didn't handle election data. He handled reported totals, which:

1) Do not elect the President (electoral college does that) and,

2) Is not the actual count, which is officially "reported" when the elector casts their vote.

We just lost. There's no deep conspiracy here. If, however, you have information CISA and the WH's paid 24/7/365 intelligence services missed, I'm sure they'd be open minded in analyzing it.

To date, information they've received and analyzed (including the vote totals with knowledge that websites online reported numbers via possibly unsecure channels) has indicated the election was free and fair.

[NJCher]

35. How do you know that?

Re your last paragraph.

Provide a link where they made that statement—but first define “they.”

[DENVERPOPS]

66. The Florida vote count in 2000

was purported to be free and fair.............

[Jack Valentino]

36. "Bullet ballot"... never heard that before. So that's where people voted only for President,

and that's all ??


When I hear the term "bullet ballot", I think of something completely different from that....

[Sympthsical]

39. So half the information in OP is wrong

The bullet ballot claim is probably bullshit. As many have noted, North Carolina's tallies already contradict the claims being made. If this person was serious, he would concretely source the numbers he's producing and back up his claims with hard, verifiable data. He has not done that. Which isn't weird at all. But I guess we're beyond asking for evidence.

Harris isn't going to win the popular vote. She's still down by 2.7 million votes, and there aren't enough outstanding votes to make up that kind of deficit. What might happen is Trump dips below 50%. He'd still have more votes and a plurality, however.

The Starlink story is nonsense that has been debunked multiple times, but people keep running with it for whatever reason.

And that is why message boards are not particularly good places to use as primary news sources or accepting information without laterally reading to check credibility and veracity of sources for oneself.

[DENVERPOPS]

67. How about this?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219733251

[Sympthsical]

69. I addressed it

The bullet ballot stuff has no evidence supporting it. The man making the claims has no provided any of his sourcing, methods, or data. All he's done is make broad claims that are being widely questioned and criticized at the moment. The other letter is more or less "Someone could have robbed a bank." It is not "The bank was robbed and here is the evidence." It also throws various things at the wall thinking something might stick (no evidence it will stick, just the hope that maybe it will)

At some point, we have to come back to earth and accept that we just didn't win this one.

Our energy is best used to shield from the incoming shitstorm and work to winning the next one.

[DENVERPOPS]

70. Thank you

for your comments!

[Emile]

42. How many bullet votes did Kamala get in these swing states?

[Figarosmom]

50. Yep

Now will Harris
DO SOMETHING

[DFW]

53. There is a famous quote

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet."

--Abraham Lincoln

[Chadarius]

55. This is insanity

Spend your time getting everyone you know to actually vote next time. Fantasies about Starlink won't do anything to improve our world. Voting machines are not linked to the Internet. They are all "air gapped". They certainly don't get routed through Starlink satellites if they aren't connected to the Internet.

[DENVERPOPS]

68. Didn't Starlink

"compile" the voting results/???????

[Lunabell]

57. I agree.

It's worthy of investigation. At the very least.