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DontBelieveEastisEas

(1,088 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:48 PM Nov 15

Are there compelling arguments that Gabbard is a Russian plant?

I had heard this rumor and now saw a video on CNN that, to me, sees to claim that even some Russians thought she might be a Russian agent due to her stance on Ukraine.

But I feel like there are deeper levels of suspicion. Is there any site that puts forward this accusation in a rational way?

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Are there compelling arguments that Gabbard is a Russian plant? (Original Post) DontBelieveEastisEas Nov 15 OP
Who needs "compelling arguments?" Just say it. That's what FOX and MAGAs have been doing since 2015. Jit423 Nov 15 #1
Yes indeed BOSSHOG Nov 15 #3
I hope the treasure trove is unearthed, but BOSSHOG Nov 15 #2
Ha Joe McCarthy never insisted on compelling evidence to call somebody a Russian sympathizer Walleye Nov 15 #4
Ugh. 'Cause, yeah, Democrats need to line up to walk in the footsteps of Joe McCarthy Seeking Serenity Nov 15 #12
Do you think that's what I was getting at? Just saying, he was a Republican and they didn't mind his false accusations Walleye Nov 15 #14
My apologies. I offer no defence for my comment. Seeking Serenity Nov 15 #17
Yesli on poydet kak utka. CentralMass Nov 15 #5
She was believed to be a Russian asset before Ukraine War MaryMagdaline Nov 15 #6
But based on what? I think thats what the OP is looking for. Seeking Serenity Nov 15 #13
"plant" can have different meanings, but she qualifies on some specific matters cadoman Nov 15 #20
Correction: Hillary said the Russians were grooming a Democrat for a third-party run... W_HAMILTON Nov 15 #21
Opinion Piece: Tulsi Gabbard Is Being Used by the Russians, and to a Former US Double Agent, the Evidence Is Clear Wiz Imp Nov 15 #7
What's anyone going to do about if she is? DJ Synikus Makisimus Nov 15 #8
LOLOL Skittles Nov 15 #15
i don't think people grasp this yet......... Takket Nov 15 #19
I am discussing on another thread about whether Tulsi is a Russian asset LetMyPeopleVote Nov 15 #9
Her NSA file is probably a couple of terabytes. BannonsLiver Nov 15 #10
Russia thinks that Tulsi is their asset LetMyPeopleVote Nov 15 #11
"If it walks like a duck". 'nuff said. oasis Nov 15 #16
Only everything that comes out of her mouth.... Jack Valentino Nov 15 #18

BOSSHOG

(39,854 posts)
3. Yes indeed
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:53 PM
Nov 15

She’s a spy, Gaetz is a pedophile, Bobby is a lunatic and Seth is a white supremacist. Just Say it. In this case say the truth.

BOSSHOG

(39,854 posts)
2. I hope the treasure trove is unearthed, but
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:51 PM
Nov 15

I think there is compelling evidence that Gaetz is taking the spotlight off Gabbard just as trump wants. Throw a bunch of trash out on the highway and chances are not all of it will be picked up.

Seeking Serenity

(2,977 posts)
12. Ugh. 'Cause, yeah, Democrats need to line up to walk in the footsteps of Joe McCarthy
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 09:38 PM
Nov 15

Seriously, people. (smh)

Walleye

(35,672 posts)
14. Do you think that's what I was getting at? Just saying, he was a Republican and they didn't mind his false accusations
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 09:42 PM
Nov 15

We seem to be getting some sharp elbows DU

Seeking Serenity

(2,977 posts)
17. My apologies. I offer no defence for my comment.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 10:17 PM
Nov 15

(That is, I'm not going to try to justify it by the backdoor by saying, "But you should see what others have said." )

Forgive me?

cadoman

(891 posts)
20. "plant" can have different meanings, but she qualifies on some specific matters
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 10:44 PM
Nov 15

It's beyond dispute that she has been suckered by the Russian narratives about the referenda (which were election fraud) and NATO expansion (which has never happened). So in the sense that she believes and can be relied on to re-state the pro-Russia side of an argument, she is a plant for them.

Now if she's a plant in terms of taking money or sharing intelligence with Russia, we have some very big issues because IIRC she is--or very recently was--active duty military. However, I do NOT believe this was the case because Biden is CiC and would not allow that on his watch.

Now, perhaps you could craft a spy vs. spy scenario around that, but if we just look at the direct facts she's more of a "Russian stooge" than a "Russian plant" IMO.

W_HAMILTON

(8,493 posts)
21. Correction: Hillary said the Russians were grooming a Democrat for a third-party run...
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 11:21 PM
Nov 15

...and Gabbard took serious offense.

Gabbard outed herself.

Wiz Imp

(1,821 posts)
7. Opinion Piece: Tulsi Gabbard Is Being Used by the Russians, and to a Former US Double Agent, the Evidence Is Clear
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 08:11 PM
Nov 15

Much has been made of Hillary Clinton's implication that Tulsi Gabbard is someone Russia has "their eye on." While Gabbard has responded with claims that she is the subject of a coordinated smear campaign by Clinton, she has steadfastly refused to renounce any Russian support she may be receiving. As somebody who worked against Russian intelligence, I agree with Clinton's assessment—Gabbard's campaign and messaging are at risk of being weaponized to interfere with and manipulate our election.

The allegation that Gabbard may be benefiting from Russian support is disturbing for many reasons. Democracy demands inclusion and debate of all ideas, whether or not they fall within the mainstream of a political party—and this extends to Gabbard as well. Her claims of a smear or McCarthy-style campaign to silence her have a level of legitimacy. However, while we must ensure that all the presidential candidates are free to speak and present their ideas, whether or not they are considered controversial, these messages must be free from foreign amplification and manipulation. Therein lies my chief concern: that Moscow will use its skillful propaganda machine to prop up Gabbard and use her as a tool to delegitimize the democratic process.

In order to understand the Russians' goal, we must understand how they think. My understanding of Russian logic comes from the three years I worked undercover for the FBI, as well as from interactions I had with both the Russians and with FBI counterintelligence in the 20-year relationship that began after a Soviet intelligence officer walked into my parents' NYC office. That cumulative experience watching and dealing with Russia for decades brings me to this conclusion: Russian ideology seeks to harm the United States, and they will support anyone who can help them achieve that goal. This is not about pushing ideas that are pro-Russia— that is too small for them. They want to see a retreat of American influence. What better way to accomplish that than to attack our democracy by casting doubt on the legitimacy of our elections.

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https://www.newsweek.com/tulsi-gabbard-being-used-russians-former-us-double-agent-evidence-clear-opinion-1466750

Skittles

(159,374 posts)
15. LOLOL
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 09:45 PM
Nov 15

do you not get it? TRUMP is a fucking stooge for Russia too and HE WAS VOTED TO BE PRESIDENT AGAIN

NOTHING WILL BE DONE ABOUT IT

Takket

(22,521 posts)
19. i don't think people grasp this yet.........
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 10:34 PM
Nov 15

there is no DOJ anymore. no one is going to investigate this. this "oh look! here it is! something incriminating!" Means NOTHING........ NOTHING. I was naive enough to believe that it mattered for 8 years but drumpf has now beaten that out of me.

Gabbard could be caught handing a nuke to Putin in broad daylight and this DOJ will prosecute the journalists that report it

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