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Yavin4

(36,394 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:55 PM Nov 14

I don't know if this country is worth saving. I really don't.

Trump's victory speaks volumes about this nation's character which is not admirable. I don't know if fighting to take it back is worth it. The USA is not the only country in the world. There are others.

If I had children, I would be preparing them to think globally about their future. See to it that they learn at least one new language. Get them their passport and be open to working abroad instead of just relying on the US job market.

I don't like a majority of my fellow Americans right now, and I don't want to share a country with them.

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I don't know if this country is worth saving. I really don't. (Original Post) Yavin4 Nov 14 OP
We have to live somewhere Ocelot II Nov 14 #1
There are other places on the planet where one could live. Yavin4 Nov 14 #3
It's actually pretty difficult if you don't have enough money Ocelot II Nov 14 #4
Simply not true. Yavin4 Nov 14 #13
Then go. Defeating fascism relies on defending institutions, not shitting on them. TheProle Nov 14 #17
I am planning on it. Yavin4 Nov 14 #22
I think it's worth a shot Meowmee Nov 14 #2
I appreciate how you feel Tickle Nov 14 #5
Florida red for the next 100 years? Doubt it Vogon_Glory Nov 14 #9
Duplicate. Please delete Vogon_Glory Nov 14 #10
So will my grandchildren Tickle Nov 14 #11
EXACTLY Where I'm At nt SoCalDavidS Nov 14 #6
Well, I'll admit that I'd like Finland's eduction system, , Sweden's social services, Denmark's lifestyle,...... RussellCattle Nov 14 #7
Should we have entirely wiped out Germany and Japan in 1945 EdmondDantes_ Nov 14 #8
Hey, it's the only boat most of us have. I'm not ready to give it up. Biophilic Nov 14 #12
If all the good people move away Eko Nov 14 #14
This is my country, land of my birth and @ 275 years of my family Maeve Nov 14 #15
It is. We are. Hekate Nov 14 #16
Send us a postcard from wherever you move. onenote Nov 14 #18
I believe the country will see differently in four years Tribetime Nov 14 #19
Or, it will be a Putin-type election/victory. moonscape Nov 14 #21
I watched Three Days Of The Condor again this week BigmanPigman Nov 14 #20

Yavin4

(36,394 posts)
3. There are other places on the planet where one could live.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:02 PM
Nov 14

It's not some impossible task to relocate some where else as many here describe it.

Ocelot II

(120,883 posts)
4. It's actually pretty difficult if you don't have enough money
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:05 PM
Nov 14

to keep you off the other country’s welfare system or if you don’t have job skills they need. It isn’t an option for most retired people or for low income people- the people who will have it the worst.

TheProle

(2,970 posts)
17. Then go. Defeating fascism relies on defending institutions, not shitting on them.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:32 PM
Nov 14

If you don’t have the stomach for the fight, go.

The French had to live under a collaborationist regime and still resistance fighters risked and gave their lives to protect the existence of their country. They didn’t forsake their nation because of who was running things at a particular point in time.

Yavin4

(36,394 posts)
22. I am planning on it.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:55 PM
Nov 14

And if Institutions didn't allow themselves to get so corrupted (see the media) or constrain themselves with norms, not actual laws, but norms!, then we wouldn't be in this mess.

Let me guess. You're Merrick apologist.

Meowmee

(5,525 posts)
2. I think it's worth a shot
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:01 PM
Nov 14

I don’t know how you go about doing it when you have a takeover like this and one party is completely corrupt. Even if divine intervention gets rid of the psycho, psycho number two and many others will take over with a stacked, corrupt court, etc.

I posted on X once again I think it’s time to divide the country into at least two parts. Northeast can be one and maybe join Canada although Canada is not going to want to do that. California can be their own country. They have the economy for it. Everybody else can live in their fascist heaven. There can also be a section for the extreme left wing which also seems to be intent on destroying this country as well.

If you’re not happy in the area you are in you can move to another one. Also states such as NY and others which for many years paid more to the feds than they get back, should charge a fee for visitors from other sections to make up for all those years.

Tickle

(3,078 posts)
5. I appreciate how you feel
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:08 PM
Nov 14

This country seems to be doing that now. People are moving to the state of their politics. Florida is going to be Red for the next 100 years. California is always going to be blue.
I don't know how we got here

Vogon_Glory

(9,572 posts)
9. Florida red for the next 100 years? Doubt it
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:28 PM
Nov 14

I suspect that our descendants will discover that our letting the polar icecaps melt wasn’t so smart after all.

I won’t live to see Florida and thousands of miles of coastline go under, but my younger cousins will.

RussellCattle

(1,760 posts)
7. Well, I'll admit that I'd like Finland's eduction system, , Sweden's social services, Denmark's lifestyle,......
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:13 PM
Nov 14

…….and Norway’s use of it ‘s oil wealth, I’m definitely not bailing out just yet. This is basically a good country that has lost its way since Ronald Reagan and his oligargh promoters started pushing us off course. Things just got much worse and I feel that that now is the time to, not bail out, but to up my game.

EdmondDantes_

(52 posts)
8. Should we have entirely wiped out Germany and Japan in 1945
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:18 PM
Nov 14

If you want a better world, you're going to have to fight for it. Trump isn't a singular isolated problem. Rightwing nationalist movements are growing across Europe and South America too.

Eko

(8,492 posts)
14. If all the good people move away
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:21 PM
Nov 14

Then eventually the earth will be controlled by bad people except for one place. We cant let that happen.

Maeve

(42,960 posts)
15. This is my country, land of my birth and @ 275 years of my family
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:22 PM
Nov 14

And my kids and grandkid are here. It's not the best, nor the worst, but it's mine and no asshat MAGAts are going to ruin it for me as long as I have any chance to win it back. It was a scant majority of voters and we have one of the lowest voting participation rates in the developed world. We are in crisis, but all things change. I choose hope.

Hekate

(94,683 posts)
16. It is. We are.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:27 PM
Nov 14

I don’t know if the return to sanity and normalcy will occur in what’s left of my lifetime — but I certainly hope it comes within my 20 y.o. grandson’s.

Because the country and its people are worth saving.

The first of my ancestors to hit these shores did so about 1630, as a Dissenter from England. The people my family most resembles (according to old tintypes and Daguerrotypes) are the Irish who fled oppression and the Great Famine two centuries later.

The bones of my ancestors are laid across this continent — my ashes will be cast to the wind and sea on the Pacific Ocean off California.

Thank you for the challenge. Sometimes I need to remind myself of these things.

Tribetime

(6,372 posts)
19. I believe the country will see differently in four years
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:48 PM
Nov 14

People will see that they were conned. We will have a Obama like victory that will continue and end the republicans for good

BigmanPigman

(52,262 posts)
20. I watched Three Days Of The Condor again this week
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:50 PM
Nov 14

and the scene at the end reminds me of this issue we are facing now.

An assassin for hire suggests that an American, now in danger from his own country (the US), move to Europe for a safer, relaxed life style, the American said, "I am an American and I would miss it if I leave" and the reply was, "What a pity". Even the NY Times could deny the evil that is the core of American politicians and their clandestine games of power and control for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Nothing is certain, and no one can be trusted.

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