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Anyone else transferring their 401(k) funds to low-risk investments? (Original Post) Crowman2009 Nov 14 OP
I am but I'm also going to be 64 Sundance1220 Nov 14 #1
I hope you have met with a financial advisor. You need to maintain a diversified portfolio throughout your retirement beaglelover Nov 14 #21
Yes, I have A LOT Sundance1220 Nov 14 #29
if you're young enough, this could be an opportunity to buy low... cadoman Sunday #88
No way! Johnny2X2X Nov 14 #2
Why do you say this? AllyCat Nov 14 #27
The economy is crushing it right now Johnny2X2X Nov 14 #47
Thank you for the explanation. AllyCat Nov 14 #58
Plus tRump is inheriting Biden's economy bif Friday #62
Agree Johnny2X2X Friday #64
Can you elaborate on other ways to reduce risk? flamingdem Saturday #77
"they will be gradually brought in." ... says who? Trump who can unliterally up them to whatever at any time? Also, even uponit7771 Saturday #78
Dumpy Trumpy wants to close down the Federal Reserve Farmer-Rick Saturday #67
Yes, I'm also trying to figure out... Think. Again. Nov 14 #3
Ketchup n/t Submariner Nov 14 #6
What in the age of Trump is low risk? I have doc03 Nov 14 #4
My husband moved ours to a higher risk category a little while ago Wingus Dingus Nov 14 #5
Check out the Bond market. n/t Raven Nov 14 #7
I wouldn't yet. I'd wait on that. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 14 #60
Why? Raven Friday #65
I am but I am not sure what is considered low risk. Dwild Nov 14 #8
Right now they are advising Johonny Nov 14 #36
MDB mobeau69 Sunday #83
No longer have a 401k, but yes I transferred a lot of money, Emile Nov 14 #9
Not presently. We still have about a year of the Biden recovery before Trump nukes it. Gore1FL Nov 14 #10
Thanks for that reminder flamingdem Nov 14 #15
The market did well in 2017, stagnated in 2018, and recovered, even after the pandemic in 2020 onenote Nov 14 #23
Won't trump's wet-dream tariffs hit businesses and consumers hard enough to slow the economy right away? nt albacore Nov 14 #40
Tariffs can nuke it the first month, no one know what Benedict Donald is going to do uponit7771 Saturday #79
Why would anyone reduce their retirement savings? nt LexVegas Nov 14 #11
We have the biden economy, continued price gouging Chakaconcarne Nov 14 #12
I'm considering moving some money out of the country, but I don't know how to. Scrivener7 Nov 14 #13
If I figure it out leighbythesea2 Nov 14 #22
Please do! I'll do the same. Scrivener7 Nov 14 #44
Yes! leighbythesea2 Friday #66
Leighbythesea2, did you see the posts from albacore below? This seems like something Scrivener7 Nov 14 #52
We invested in Canadian CDs...banks are more solid than ours. But trump is a world-economy-killer. Nt albacore Nov 14 #41
Did you do that through a US institution? Scrivener7 Nov 14 #45
We carried the money up North in a check. If you move money to Canada, be sure to fill out a FinCen form. albacore Nov 14 #46
This is SO helpful! Thank you so much! Scrivener7 Nov 14 #48
Do you mind if I ask what bank or investment house you used in Canada? Scrivener7 Nov 14 #49
Scotiabank.. nt albacore Nov 14 #50
Thank you!!! Scrivener7 Nov 14 #51
I don't know what the rules are today, but I did it decades ago on a small basis DFW Saturday #69
Thank you so much. Scrivener7 Saturday #71
Timing the market is a fool's choice. Better to slowly make changes if at all especially if young Wonder Why Nov 14 #14
hell no, not right now Skittles Nov 14 #16
From my financial advisor--take it for what it's worth crimycarny Nov 14 #17
Looks like none of those advisors Farmer-Rick Saturday #68
If Trump abolishes the FDIC crimycarny Saturday #72
But there be stupid crazy people running our country now Farmer-Rick Sunday #82
It is terrifying crimycarny Sunday #84
Anyone getting investment advice from actual professionals not someone on an internet message board onenote Nov 14 #18
Yes, absolutely. It's important to hire a financial advisor a few years before you retire to make sure all of your beaglelover Nov 14 #20
It's not rocket cilla4progress Nov 14 #28
Absolutely NOT! And I'll continue to save up to the IRS maximums each year. Next year the catch up limit for my age is beaglelover Nov 14 #19
Folks said the same thing about George W Bush in 2000 Yavin4 Nov 14 #25
Did that starting the day after election day. Yavin4 Nov 14 #24
I'm considering all cash also. Think. Again. Nov 14 #30
Each day with these cabinet picks, the odds of some kind of epic catastrophe go up. Yavin4 Nov 14 #34
I agree, We're not the only ones who would rather cash out and wait it out.... Think. Again. Nov 14 #35
One of the finalists for Secy of the Treasury, Scott Bessent Yavin4 Nov 14 #39
Do you think Money markets thinkingagain Sunday #86
No. They're not. But if they go... Yavin4 Sunday #87
I did. cilla4progress Nov 14 #26
Not yet. Too early. paleotn Nov 14 #31
Well now that you mentioned it, I'll still contribute my 401(k)'s max anount. Crowman2009 Sunday #85
We're planning on doing that as well Bettie Nov 14 #32
Contemplating how long to ride the Kool aid...but risky still JT45242 Nov 14 #33
I'll stay in the stock market LogDog75 Nov 14 #37
What is a low risk investment Tweedy Nov 14 #38
Most of my stuff is in 6 month CDs....4.35% APR. I can pull the money out almost anytime. Is that a good idea? NT albacore Nov 14 #42
I wouldn't put all my money in CDs LogDog75 Nov 14 #43
Always have always will Klarkashton Nov 14 #53
I'm young enough to recover drmeow Nov 14 #54
Absolutely not! Groundhawg Nov 14 #55
Yes bullimiami Nov 14 #56
I thought we were all supposed to sell everything after the 2016 election ? MichMan Nov 14 #57
I've had most in a money market fund, a little in a mutual fund kerry-is-my-prez Nov 14 #59
Probably going to move 1/3 of my money to a MMF bif Friday #61
Just FYI, i did that in 2016 and missed out on a good bit of Scrivener7 Friday #63
Thinking of paying off my mortgage shanti Saturday #70
Just put it in Index funds like VOO and leave it there. nt Quixote1818 Saturday #73
This message was self-deleted by its author KewlKat Saturday #74
I don't think so! Crowman2009 Saturday #75
LOL Skittles Saturday #76
I've been 66/33 stocks/bonds since 2022 but am slowly rebalancing back to 60/38. Shermann Saturday #80
Yes. Mainly because of my age (55). texasfiddler Saturday #81
I'm waiting on some treasury nominations, but slowly moving away from stocks. carpetbagger Sunday #89

Sundance1220

(93 posts)
1. I am but I'm also going to be 64
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:28 PM
Nov 14

next month. In fairness, I'd be doing it even if I were younger. The economy is going to collapse. It always does under repub presidents and I don't have to time to watch it claw its way back.

beaglelover

(4,053 posts)
21. I hope you have met with a financial advisor. You need to maintain a diversified portfolio throughout your retirement
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:19 PM
Nov 14

years. No one should move all their money into money market or fixed income at the time they retire.

cadoman

(890 posts)
88. if you're young enough, this could be an opportunity to buy low...
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:22 PM
Sunday

Republican president, high interest rates, quite a bit of froth in both real estate and stock prices, unemployment rate can only go up from here...

Trump's inheriting a well-functioning economy, but also one that's a bit long in the tooth and straining in some areas. TBH I've been kinda surprised we haven't taken a tumble earlier.

Johnny2X2X

(21,750 posts)
47. The economy is crushing it right now
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:02 PM
Nov 14

Growth is strong. UE is low. Wages are high. Earnings are solid. Demand is high. There’s a strong case for a nice bull run right now.

Tariffs will be bad, but they will be gradually brought in.

Do not let politics mess with your money. Now is not the time to sell and miss out on big gains.

bif

(23,980 posts)
62. Plus tRump is inheriting Biden's economy
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:06 AM
Friday

It'll keep plowing ahead for at least two years before a major downturn.

Johnny2X2X

(21,750 posts)
64. Agree
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 08:42 AM
Friday

We'll see what he does, but we heard the same things in 2016 and some people actually followed through and missed out on massive gains in equities.

If you're going to do something radical, please consult a professional. There are ways to lower risk without getting out of the markets.

uponit7771

(91,754 posts)
78. "they will be gradually brought in." ... says who? Trump who can unliterally up them to whatever at any time? Also, even
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:42 PM
Saturday

... if they're brought in slowly its not what's needed right now.

They hurt last time and they'll hurt this time too

Farmer-Rick

(11,401 posts)
67. Dumpy Trumpy wants to close down the Federal Reserve
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 02:34 AM
Saturday

He wants to stop doing business with the Federal Reserve banks and abolish the board. He wants the president and Congress to make the day to day decisions on monetary policy and interest rates.

He wants to go to "free banking". That's the type of banking we had before the Great Depression. If he wipes out the Federal Reserve, he will wipe out the FDIC insurance. Your deposits will no longer be insured by the US government.

It will save banks money and totally deregulate them. It will also seriously increase the risk of leaving your money in a bank or credit union. If a bank or credit union underestimates their risk in the stock market or with large loans (like to a New York real estate mob connected crook), the bank will use your deposits to pay off their debt.

Which is what happened in the Great Depression.

Think. Again.

(17,957 posts)
3. Yes, I'm also trying to figure out...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:29 PM
Nov 14

...what type of holding would be most safe, without supporting any of the negative moves trump and his pals are going to make.

doc03

(36,699 posts)
4. What in the age of Trump is low risk? I have
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 14

always stayed in the market and done OK. But I
have no idea what is safe now.

Wingus Dingus

(8,407 posts)
5. My husband moved ours to a higher risk category a little while ago
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 14

(pre-election) and I hope that wasn't a mistake. We'll see.

Dwild

(7 posts)
8. I am but I am not sure what is considered low risk.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:55 PM
Nov 14

I believe the market will go up because he will remove guard rails but Id rather have the bird in the hand now than risk it all later

Johonny

(22,047 posts)
36. Right now they are advising
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:10 PM
Nov 14

Small caps which are more resistant to tariffs, banking sector (anticipating deregulation), and energy. The next 12 months are considered a high probability for higher markets based on historicals. Long term into 2026, no one knows. And Trump might be so toxic historical trends might be meaningless.

Emile

(29,803 posts)
9. No longer have a 401k, but yes I transferred a lot of money,
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:01 PM
Nov 14

Last edited Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:39 PM - Edit history (1)

invested mainly in Fortune 500 American Funds, CD's and bonds. Less volatile and more stable.

Gore1FL

(21,884 posts)
10. Not presently. We still have about a year of the Biden recovery before Trump nukes it.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:05 PM
Nov 14

He had a good 1st year in 2017 on the wake of Obama's economy.

flamingdem

(39,916 posts)
15. Thanks for that reminder
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:03 PM
Nov 14

I was beginning to panic reading this thread!

Yes, maybe a year before a recession.

onenote

(44,628 posts)
23. The market did well in 2017, stagnated in 2018, and recovered, even after the pandemic in 2020
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:29 PM
Nov 14

On election day 2016, the dow closed 18,332 By the end of 2017, it was up to 24,719. By the end of 2019, it was at 28,538. Before the pandemic hit, it topped 29,500.

I have no regrets playing the long game and not cashing out during Trump's term.

albacore

(2,599 posts)
40. Won't trump's wet-dream tariffs hit businesses and consumers hard enough to slow the economy right away? nt
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:21 PM
Nov 14

Chakaconcarne

(2,732 posts)
12. We have the biden economy, continued price gouging
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:15 PM
Nov 14

followed by looming corp. tax cuts. the markets are going to take off and the rich want to capitalize on it. I'm giving it a year before I seriously consider.

Scrivener7

(52,739 posts)
52. Leighbythesea2, did you see the posts from albacore below? This seems like something
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:18 PM
Nov 14

that would work.

(I love DU!)

Scrivener7

(52,739 posts)
45. Did you do that through a US institution?
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:44 PM
Nov 14

I keep thinking about THAT scene in Handmaid's Tale where they take away all the women's money.

DFW

(56,527 posts)
69. I don't know what the rules are today, but I did it decades ago on a small basis
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 03:52 AM
Saturday

Ironically, Switzerland will show you the door the moment you ask, if you are not a legal resident. The USA imposed such stringent reporting paperwork on their banks for non-resident Americans that the Swiss kicked them all out, told them to close their accounts and empty their safe deposit boxes.

But Germany, on the other hand, had no problem at all with me opening a non-resident account before I moved here. You have to go through all the reporting paperwork in both countries, and report any income (i.e. interest, etc.), but as long as the funds are legal, taxes already paid, there aren’t any barriers. At least, there didn’t use to be. I’ve been told the regulations are particularly loose in Estonia, and almost as loose in Poland, but I have no personal experience with either. I would suspect the UK and Ireland wouldn't be overly complicated, either.

So-called money-laundering regulations exist, but they are mostly to catch big drug cartel profits in the hundreds of millions. Since they rarely catch anyone (whether due to incompetence or due to bribed design, I couldn’t tell you), they impose a lot of paperwork to show they are trying. One favorite parking place is the string of Russian-owned banks on Cyprus. If you meet a financial advisor who sings the praises of parking your offshore stash with the Gangstersky Bank of Cyprus, tell him thanks for the coffee, and head for the exit without showing too much panic.

There are three classes of offshore account reporting. One is for accounts whose balance does not exceed $10,000. These days, that amount hardly seems worth the effort. That’s four Krugerrands. It used to be twenty. Accounts like that barely raise an eyebrow, and the fees will dwindle it with alarming speed (ask in advance! They vary widely). The next stage is between $10,000 and $100,000. They get more attention, although if the activity on the account is minimal and fairly benign, here, too, just obey all reporting requirements, and no one should give you a hard time. Go over a balance of $100,000 and you may or may not be called to give a “who and why” explanation, though if you’re clean, they shouldn’t give you a hard time. Transparency is your friend.

Things could always change, of course. Countries that grossly mismanage their economies often put restrictions on what their citizens can take out of the country, and mismanaging the economy is the Republican Party’s middle name. In the USA, as things stand now, there are no restrictions on carrying cash or negotiable instruments in or out of the country. Amounts of $10,000 or above must be officially declared, but they are legal. Depending on the amount, the bearer could be asked to explain the reason or document ownership, but if you’re declaring in the first place, and you’re not an idiot, you will have your paperwork in order. Whether or not that stays the status quo is another question, but it has been static for decades.

Scrivener7

(52,739 posts)
71. Thank you so much.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 07:58 AM
Saturday

"Gangstersky bank of Cyprus" Yes. I think I'll avoid that!

This information about the amounts is useful. The money I'm talking about is all legal, all taxes are paid, so I'm thinking it shouldn't be a problem.

I think the route albacore discussed above might be the easiest for me. I could do it with a couple of nice weekends in Montreal.

Thank you again. DU is so valuable!

Wonder Why

(4,589 posts)
14. Timing the market is a fool's choice. Better to slowly make changes if at all especially if young
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:50 PM
Nov 14

enough to recover in 10-20 years.

crimycarny

(1,627 posts)
17. From my financial advisor--take it for what it's worth
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:13 PM
Nov 14

Here is an email my financial advisor sent out after the election. Take it for what it's worth. So far my financial advisor has been pretty spot on but obviously no one really knows since Trump is a lunatic so completely unpredictable.

How is the market going to react to the election results? Read below for multiple analyst/economists reactions:

Trump/GOP Senate/Dem House: Look for a temporary extension of the 2017 tax cuts but only after the GOP shows a willingness to negotiate and make concessions, including letting the top tax rate go back up to 39.6% and raising the limit on the state and local tax deduction, now capped at $10,000, to $20-25,000, instead. That’d be the political price to get some Democratic House members to vote for an extension. Trump would raise tariffs and reduce net immigration flows, no congressional action required. In addition, in this scenario Trump would try to resurrect the presidential power of “impoundment,” (a power to cut discretionary spending without congressional approval) which hasn’t been used since the early 1970s, claiming the law passed in 1974 under Nixon to eliminate impoundment is ineffective, because it can only be eliminated by a Constitutional Amendment, not a regular law. - Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist First Trust

Republican Sweep: Look for a temporary extension of the tax cuts originally enacted in 2017, but with a lower tax rate on corporate profits and some modest targeted tax relief for workers who earn tips. Because of budget rules, the only way to permanently extend the tax cuts is to make major cuts to spending and the bureaucracy. While it seems clear that massive government growth in the past two decades should be reversed, it remains to be seen whether Republicans are serious about it. So, we expect a reduction in green energy subsidies and a focus on reforming Medicaid. Without legislation, President Trump would also raise tariffs, particularly on China and substantially reduce net immigration flows into the US. - Brian S. Wesbury, Chief Economist First Trust

You're going to get some version of a repricing (of Treasuries) just by nature of the math. It's just a question of how long does it last. You're seeing the initial {bond selloff} today. Volatility is important here. I suspect we could see a decline in overall volatility. We're hesitant to buy or sell bonds. We're looking at that 30-year auction today as a barometer of demand. I'm sitting on my hands and seeing how things play out. Treasuries have had a pretty good sell-off coming into this. Ultimately you're making a bet that there is going to be some fiscal responsibility coming out of the Trump administration." - Jack McIntyre Brandywine Global

For now, investor sentiment is pro-growth, pro-deregulation, and pro-markets, as seen in the overnight market action. There is also an assumption that M&A activity will pickup and that more tax cuts are coming or the existing ones will be extended. This creates a strong backdrop for stocks. Financials and Energy are the obvious beneficiaries of Trump's victory amid hopes of deregulation and a greater focus on U.S. energy independence. There may even be other sectors that benefit from Trump's victory, such as technology stocks, especially if the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) is knocked down a peg. We need to see personnel and cabinet appointments in the week ahead to get firmer ideas around all this, as personnel is policy. - David Bahnsen CIO Bahnsen Group

Both parties are going to spend no matter what. This Treasury sell-off is overdone. It's kind of a knee-jerk reaction.(In terms of Fed policy) none of the presidents have been silent on rates. It's going to be a '94-'95 scenario. They used this term 'recalibrate'. It reminds me of a post-'94-'95 period where the Fed was tweaking back and forth to avoid a recession. - Ellis Phifer Raymond James

My quick summary from what I'm reading:

Stocks should benefit over the short/medium term
Bonds negative/neutral over the short/medium term


That last piece, the summary, is what my financial advisor summarized (not me).

Farmer-Rick

(11,401 posts)
68. Looks like none of those advisors
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 02:54 AM
Saturday

Read the 2025 project or listened to Trump's words.

Will they advise the same action when Dumpy Trumpy abolishes the Federal Reserve and goes to "free banking"?

Without FDIC insurance just leaving your money in a bank savings account can have very high risk.

Trumpy Dumpy wants to abolish the Federal Reserve, stop business with the Federal Reserve banks through out the US. Abolish the board and let the president and Congress make day to day decisions on monetary policy and interest rates.

"Free banking" is what was in affect before the Great Depression. It was a very cumbersome and fragile system.

Add to that tariffs and him, Musk and Congress skimming off some of our national assets for themselves, and you have a perfect storm for an economic collapse.

crimycarny

(1,627 posts)
72. If Trump abolishes the FDIC
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 04:17 PM
Saturday

Banks will collapse as everyone will be withdrawing all their money at they same time. Everyone, including the mega rich, would be ruined. So I’m hopeful that, since it’s in their own self-interest, those with money and power to abolish the FDIC won’t do it as it would ruin them too.

Farmer-Rick

(11,401 posts)
82. But there be stupid crazy people running our country now
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:04 AM
Sunday

Look what Trump did to Atlantic City. There is nothing left there but ugly, dirty concrete buildings, empty parking lots and abandoned lots. He turned a once thriving seaside hotspots into a ghost town. He's going to do the same thing to this country.

He has said he wants to abolish the Federal Reserve. It's in the 2025 Project. If they abolish the Federal Reserve, they have to get rid of the FDIC. It is part of the Federal Reserve.

The FDIC conducts inspections and rates banks, aside from insuring accounts. Inspections and ratings are not part of "free banking". Before 1933 when we had "free banking", no one seemed too concerned over insurance particularly the banks themselves. But when the banks crashed, the banks took depositor's money to pay their debts.

I think the banks are greedy and believe "free banking" will reduce regulations and costs. Doing away with the FDIC means banks don't have to pay for that insurance anymore. Nor do they have to put up with bank inspectors anymore.

Also the rich can just move to foreign banks and get assurances on their multi million dollar accounts that we poorer folks can't get.

I maybe wrong. There may be a few people remaining in government who don't want to destroy everything. Maybe one of the filthy-rich people assigned by Trump will think things through before they dismantle our banking regulations. But I gave up hope when Trump won.

crimycarny

(1,627 posts)
84. It is terrifying
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:23 PM
Sunday

I wake up in the middle of the night and can’t go back to sleep as I feel a catastrophe coming on too. Trump will make the Housing Bubble crash seem like a cakewalk (those are my fears anyway).

I’m 65 and ready to retire soon, so can’t absorb that shock.

I, like you, hope I’m wrong. I’m in the same loss of hope though. And helpless, what can average people do against such depravity of those like Musk, Trump, etc to whom it will never be enough. No amount of power or money will ever be enough for people like that, and that always ends up badly.

onenote

(44,628 posts)
18. Anyone getting investment advice from actual professionals not someone on an internet message board
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:15 PM
Nov 14

I sure hope so.

beaglelover

(4,053 posts)
20. Yes, absolutely. It's important to hire a financial advisor a few years before you retire to make sure all of your
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:18 PM
Nov 14

ducks are in a row.

beaglelover

(4,053 posts)
19. Absolutely NOT! And I'll continue to save up to the IRS maximums each year. Next year the catch up limit for my age is
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:17 PM
Nov 14

$11,250 instead of $7,500! Bonus savings! The stock market is NOT going to collapse under Trump and to move to a money market 100% portfolio is crazy talk!

Yavin4

(36,375 posts)
24. Did that starting the day after election day.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:39 PM
Nov 14

Moved all of my funds out stocks and into a money market account. I'm sitting cash. I'm waiting for the inevitable collapse.

Think. Again.

(17,957 posts)
30. I'm considering all cash also.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:56 PM
Nov 14

It would be fairly easy to predict sectors will benefit from trump, but they wouldn't be anything huge and solid. My personal choices wouldn't allow me to invest in fossil energy, military contractors, chemicals, etc, so I'm kind of limited as far as the growth trump will spur, and the sectors I am willing to support will most likely go stagnant under trump.

I might just cash out for a while and see what happens.

Yavin4

(36,375 posts)
34. Each day with these cabinet picks, the odds of some kind of epic catastrophe go up.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:02 PM
Nov 14

So, I know that there will be a huge sell off at some point over the next 4 years. It's inevitable.

Think. Again.

(17,957 posts)
35. I agree, We're not the only ones who would rather cash out and wait it out....
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:08 PM
Nov 14

...and if that starts a run, well....

Yavin4

(36,375 posts)
39. One of the finalists for Secy of the Treasury, Scott Bessent
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:16 PM
Nov 14
At one point, Bessent floated a plan to nominate a “shadow” Federal Reserve chair prior to the end of Fed Chair Jerome Powell’s term in 2026 — a Trump appointee who frequently sparred with the president-elect during his first term.


https://thehill.com/business/4991406-trump-treasury-secretary-contenders/

thinkingagain

(1,015 posts)
86. Do you think Money markets
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 06:46 PM
Sunday

are safer?
VS a checking & or savings account
CD's?
and or retirement accounts ( IRA's / pensions)?

paleotn

(19,181 posts)
31. Not yet. Too early.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:00 PM
Nov 14

The markets will get all giddy about dereg. But be ready to pull the plug as the party comes to an end. And never, ever reduce your 401K contributions if you can help it. Unless tax treatment changes significantly. Depending on your plan, you might want to investigate options that are a step or two removed from the US dollar or US debt and equity markets.

Crowman2009

(2,805 posts)
85. Well now that you mentioned it, I'll still contribute my 401(k)'s max anount.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 03:58 PM
Sunday

But I'll still reallocate my funds to money market if the shit hits the fan next year. That's if those tariffs get passed. Hopefully the orange shitler white house will be a dysfunctional backstabbing shit show in which they get nothing accomplished.

JT45242

(2,891 posts)
33. Contemplating how long to ride the Kool aid...but risky still
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:01 PM
Nov 14

The economy will crater under the tariffs. Waiting to decide how much to move to safer funds when it appears ready to crash. Not sure how long that will be.

But will bonds actually be safe when the economy craters and government debt skyrocket to unbelievable levels?

Seriously, will mango Mussolini manage to make us bonds default?

LogDog75

(98 posts)
37. I'll stay in the stock market
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:14 PM
Nov 14

I don't have a 401K but I do have an IRA mutual fund, which I am doing RMDs, and a regular mutual fund. Both funds are in the aggressive sector mainly because I don't need to tap them for living expenses. I have a military retirement and Social Security which pay my mortgage, taxes, HOA fees, bills, etc. with just enough money left over to put in the credit union (banks suck) savings, checking, CD, and money market accounts.

My strategy for investing is simple; pick good mutual funds and ride through the high and lows of the stock market. The analogy I use with the stock market is it's like the tides. The tides come in and the tides go out. The stock market rises and the stock market falls. Over time, ride through the highs and lows by not withdrawing or moving your money to something you think is safer or will bring higher returns. I expect an 8% return on my mutual funds and right now my IRA is returning 16% and my other one is returning about 25%; thank you Joe Biden! I've maintained this strategy for the last 30 years through the tech boom of the late 90s, the downturn after 911, the Great Recession, the boom in the stock market under Obama and Biden and it's paid off.

For those getting antsy, relax. DonOld Trump's policy will have a negative effect on the stock market but we will survive. We may have to suffer some losses in the value of our investments but I don't think our investments will be worth less than how much they were valued when Biden took office. Over the past four years, my mutual funds have made six steps forward so if they have to make three steps backwards because of the idiot-elected president I'm still three steps ahead.

Please keep your perspective and you'll survive.

albacore

(2,599 posts)
42. Most of my stuff is in 6 month CDs....4.35% APR. I can pull the money out almost anytime. Is that a good idea? NT
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:28 PM
Nov 14

drmeow

(5,281 posts)
54. I'm young enough to recover
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:20 PM
Nov 14

if things go south during his term and if we don't take things back at the midterms then again in 2028 we're f**ked anyway no matter where you put your money now!

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,197 posts)
59. I've had most in a money market fund, a little in a mutual fund
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:48 PM
Nov 14

And several hundred (please forgive me) in Cypto (bitcoin). I was interested in it waaay before Trump and the Reps started talking about it.

bif

(23,980 posts)
61. Probably going to move 1/3 of my money to a MMF
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 12:03 AM
Friday

But I'm going to ride the market for a bit. Maybe for a month or two.

Scrivener7

(52,739 posts)
63. Just FYI, i did that in 2016 and missed out on a good bit of
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:48 AM
Friday

profit.

Finance guys are idiots. They'll run things up until it becomes too obvious to ignore that trump is trashing the economy. And then they'll run things up for a few more months.

shanti

(21,716 posts)
70. Thinking of paying off my mortgage
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 04:08 AM
Saturday

Not much left, but a bird in the hand and all that...Guess I'll schedule a meeting with my CU financial advisor.

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Shermann

(8,641 posts)
80. I've been 66/33 stocks/bonds since 2022 but am slowly rebalancing back to 60/38.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 08:03 PM
Saturday

I'm building up the remaining 2% position in CDs.

texasfiddler

(2,189 posts)
81. Yes. Mainly because of my age (55).
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 09:51 PM
Saturday

I was upset about the election in 2016, but I stayed in equities because of my time horizon. I am moving a third of my assets into money market funds and my S&P 500 index funds into targeted retirement funds with diverse allocations. I think the equity market is way overpriced compared to 2016 and I was really concerned about a market correction during a Kamala Harris administration (I was really hoping she would win). Now, I think it is very possible to have a massive correction during tRump. The Buffett ratio and the inverted yield curve are concerning indicators. Who knows. I just know Warren Buffet's Berkshire Hathaway has an almost 30% cash position (the highest it's been in 34 years). I'm not going to let Donald's chaos ruin my retirement. I'll re-adjust as needed.

carpetbagger

(4,780 posts)
89. I'm waiting on some treasury nominations, but slowly moving away from stocks.
Sun Nov 17, 2024, 07:57 PM
Sunday

However, I'm in an odd situation. I plan to step down from my fed govt position in a few months, I'm 55, not eligible for health insurance but I have a few options besides ACA and a homesick Canadian girlfriend. I'd like to move enough out of my TSP (federal employee 401 which owns IOUs from the treasury rather than actual stocks, it's like gambling on index fund/bond/t-bill returns), so need to roll over but only after taking some rule of 55 cash.

My feeling is that a standard growth guy might give the market a good sugar high before it hits the wall, a Musk appointee might be at risk of sudden "reinvention" of money and get too happy with tariffs. Ideally I'd be out of American holdings before the fed gets too heavy on Trump appointees, although their zero-rate plans would be a nice emigration gift.

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