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After All Of Their Disrespect, They Are Now Begging For Joe Biden's Help!! (Original Post) In It to Win It Nov 14 OP
HAHAHAHA they can all GFT. AkFemDem Nov 14 #1
No kidding DENVERPOPS Nov 14 #22
They voted wrong so let's leave them to be devoured by the psycho... AloeVera Nov 15 #108
Suuurrreeee Envirogal Nov 15 #112
Are you kidding? AloeVera Nov 15 #118
You are 50 years late Envirogal Nov 15 #113
See my reply 118 above. I replied to the wrong post. AloeVera Nov 15 #119
Ah huh. Envirogal Nov 15 #120
Still blaming me personally I see... AloeVera Nov 15 #121
Well I don't think you did this per se Envirogal Nov 15 #124
A few things... AloeVera Saturday #127
That's Ground Fault Testing, Guaranteed Funds Transfer... CaptainTruth Nov 14 #28
Inquiring Minds want to Know! reACTIONary Nov 14 #36
GO. FUCK. THEMSELVES. AZ8theist Nov 14 #67
Got it! Thanks! CaptainTruth Nov 15 #94
Go f*llate T***p? ms liberty Nov 14 #40
No,... that only applies to mic,... magicarpet Nov 15 #102
My guess is a typo and that what was intended was GFY. TomSlick Nov 14 #68
The T is for themselves Sundance1220 Nov 14 #79
Of course it is. TomSlick Nov 14 #89
Inhumanity Ann B Nov 14 #88
Where exactly is the humanity Sundance1220 Nov 15 #96
Thank you. AloeVera Nov 15 #105
Sure, that'll work. Envirogal Nov 15 #116
Totally agree gopiscrap Nov 15 #100
Yes, these Palestine supporting assholes can fuck ALL the way off with their request for help from Joe! beaglelover Nov 14 #2
Absolutely Rebl2 Nov 14 #58
They should have supported Harris. ellemb Nov 14 #3
Well yes Rebl2 Nov 14 #54
Dip-shittery has consequences. nt The Unmitigated Gall Nov 14 #4
True Rebl2 Nov 14 #56
Let's see, what could these people have done to help the situation? Hmmm. Vote for Kamala? Hekate Nov 14 #5
They wanted & Voted for TSF.. Go Ask him for HELP... Cha Nov 14 #6
Jill Stein voters are a special kind of stupid. GoodRaisin Nov 14 #10
Sorry, you are on your own. 33taw Nov 14 #7
They dug their own hole. magicarpet Nov 15 #104
They always were. Nt AloeVera Nov 15 #109
Womp womp BannonsLiver Nov 14 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Nov 14 #9
So I guess the thrill is gone. It was fun when you did that. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 14 #11
They don't want his help, they want him to act out their sick dictator porn fantasies. tritsofme Nov 14 #12
They need to learn how to play our political system. Omnipresent Nov 14 #13
Call 1-800-ASK-JILL. cloudbase Nov 14 #14
Speechless........ Hope22 Nov 14 #15
Wow! That struck a bell. "The melting pot doesn't melt any more." Biophilic Nov 14 #17
Pearl was a gem of a person. Hope22 Nov 14 #20
I guess so...and a very clear thinker; straight to the heart of the problem. Biophilic Nov 14 #23
So who is "Dear Pearl"? reACTIONary Nov 14 #39
Pearl, an 80 year old Jamaican immigrant who lived next door to my sister. Hope22 Nov 14 #44
... littlemissmartypants Nov 14 #61
Let them plead with Trump and Vance DFW Nov 14 #16
Dance with the lady who invited you to the party magicarpet Nov 15 #107
check this out at 2:11 DFW Nov 15 #117
They wanted to punish Biden and the Democrats, but they just punished themselves. sop Nov 14 #18
Actually they helped take the rest of us down as well. Nt Hope22 Nov 14 #25
Yes they Rebl2 Nov 14 #59
Certainly not "just". They wanted to punish Democrats is code for they wanted black people, women, and gay people to TheKentuckian Nov 14 #78
Isn't this the "White Women "don't comment" to this. Mossfern Nov 14 #19
No Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 14 #21
I did watch it Mossfern Nov 14 #29
she was venting about the 53% who voted orange feces Nimble_Idea Nov 14 #84
Yet, she didn't specify Mossfern Nov 14 #85
Yes, this is the woman with that rant. usedtobedemgurl Nov 14 #45
Me too Mossfern Nov 14 #47
I saw that! usedtobedemgurl Nov 14 #53
I saw the rant about white women. Hope22 Nov 15 #115
Biden has been trying to negotiate peace since Oct. 2023! BadgerMom Nov 14 #24
I though Blinken was going to die of exhaustion or one time! Hope22 Nov 14 #26
Yes, what he did was very hard indeed. But he pulled it off! AloeVera Nov 15 #111
Hopefully he can go far away.. Hope22 Nov 15 #114
They made thair beds. RandySF Nov 14 #27
She's good. Baitball Blogger Nov 14 #30
Dear Uncommitted leaders, see paragraph 3 of my post from a week ago Mortos Nov 14 #31
Palestinians OrangeJoe Nov 14 #51
To Paraphrase this clip from Airplane!... nycbos Nov 14 #32
nailed it et tu Nov 14 #33
I really don't care, do you? BluenFLA Nov 14 #34
I am OVER anyone who votes against their best interest nini Nov 14 #35
100% spot on. LoisB Nov 14 #38
Say bye-bye to an independent Ukraine too Farmer-Rick Nov 14 #37
President Biden says there is already enough committed to Ukraine to keep them supplied thru next year. PortTack Nov 14 #42
That's good to hear wryter2000 Nov 14 #49
Fuck them Pototan Nov 14 #41
It's even worse than bite nose to spite face. hvn_nbr_2 Nov 14 #46
It's too damn cold in here hvn_nbr_2 Nov 14 #43
Faces meet the Leopards Justice matters. Nov 14 #48
Thing is... wryter2000 Nov 14 #50
Too late. The leopards are already getting fat. StarryNite Nov 14 #52
Netanyahu is power hungry and no one is going to be able to do anything w/ him, period. He was on the verge of SWBTATTReg Nov 14 #55
The Biden administration did almost nothing to stem the flow of arms to Israel for over a year Rob H. Nov 14 #57
Too bad, so sad Betty Boom Nov 14 #60
Im sorry. Im out of fucks to give. The Third Doctor Nov 14 #62
I totally agree Figarosmom Nov 14 #63
They are just as fucked as the rest of us. Basso8vb Nov 14 #64
Sorry to say this but,,, Pas-de-Calais Nov 14 #65
It's like this! bee_peaceful Nov 14 #66
We told them. mn9driver Nov 14 #69
PSGWSP LW1977 Nov 14 #70
IHNIWYATNTSBIDYRTNSI JoseBalow Nov 14 #75
Trump had already coordinated with Netanyahu to not negotiate a ceasefire until after the election Galraedia Nov 14 #71
Truth 👆 and she speaks for me and how I feel about this situation. n/t iluvtennis Nov 14 #72
I totally disagree karin_sj Nov 14 #73
It's aimed specifically at the people who advocated wryter2000 Nov 14 #87
Don't ask "Genocide Joe." Ask either "Genocide Jill" or "Demolition Derby Donald" instead. DFW Nov 14 #74
Never go full Allahu Akbar. Efilroft Sul Nov 14 #76
These are not serious people 😔 Blue_Tires Nov 14 #77
These idiots voted for and supported trump and it is sad seeing them ask President Biden to save them LetMyPeopleVote Nov 14 #80
The uncommitted delegate in the video went on MSNBC to say he would vote for Harris and asked Earthrise Nov 14 #81
Most of the them and in G Meowmee Nov 14 #82
tots and pears for gaza or was it haza Nimble_Idea Nov 14 #83
Wow. Nt AloeVera Nov 15 #110
Wait 2 years and see how many are begging for the return of Biden. republianmushroom Nov 14 #86
GFY Blue for the win Nov 15 #90
Go ask who you voted for to help.. Blue for the win Nov 15 #91
We lost because of stupid people with short memories. Emile Nov 15 #92
That's harsh imo jfz9580m Nov 15 #93
This Is The Beginning... OhioTim Nov 15 #95
It could happen to any of them. Hope22 Saturday #128
At the link he said one thing I agree with. Grins Nov 15 #97
Yes to the first part. Brave of you to speak this truth AloeVera Nov 15 #103
All of this and T has never stopped fueling the fires Hope22 Saturday #129
I fear Linda ladeewolf Nov 15 #98
I refuse to click on anything that promotes or links to X Bird Lady Nov 15 #99
Sorry y'all. Lunabell Nov 15 #101
It's their country too... Hope22 Nov 15 #122
I was actually referring to the Palestinian people. Lunabell Nov 15 #123
I'm not sure you have to apologize. Hope22 Nov 15 #125
The dick tator has again won. I propose that if one did, they all did! GreenWave Nov 15 #106
Handle the consequences kansasobama Nov 15 #126

DENVERPOPS

(9,955 posts)
22. No kidding
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:44 PM
Nov 14

Netanyahu is a psychotic dictator wannabe who is Trump's bestest buddy. Have them talk to Trump, if they have a problem....

AloeVera

(1,950 posts)
108. They voted wrong so let's leave them to be devoured by the psycho...
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:32 PM
Nov 15

The same psycho who's been devouring them for 13 months, with 2+ months left to go under our watch.

That's the American way? Perhaps it is.

And LOL - as if talking did them any good in the last year. Their voices were not heard. Their views did not accord with U.S. policy of blind support for Israel. Yeah, they should have gone back for more of the same, and be lulled by the nice words of a fairy tale as their people were being slaughtered and driven from their homes and land. Yup.

AloeVera

(1,950 posts)
118. Are you kidding?
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:09 PM
Nov 15

You can't say anything against AIPAC, surely you know that. Maybe that is changing but at such a glacial pace I never noticed.

Who is this "you" you insult and accuse? The entire pro-justice/ human rights/pro-Pal movement or just me? Both, I guess.

But for the record I didn't agree with the Abandon Harris strategy. Counter-productive and also harmful to people in the U.S. too. I probably hate Trump as much if not more than Netanyahu. I am aghast and in despair too.

The difference is I saw it fucking coming. Not because I think Muslims/Arabs are stupid etc as so many here do. I want no part of this incitement to Muslim hatred. Threads like these make me sick. But because I could understand that this community was put into a corner with no good choices and I was afraid they would make the wrong one. I based this on what I might do if I were in their shoes. And I can do that very well now, having witnessed the carnage in Gaza and having a particularly sensitive system that experiences human suffering through some kind of osmosis. I often wish it weren't so.

Please don't arrogantly assume people are stupid, or not as politically savvy as you. I understand the tightrope Biden was walking. But I saw how time and again he jumped off on Israel's side, and NEVER the Palestinians. He erased all red lines himself, all the way up to the one called ethnic cleansing, as we now see. The Muslim community saw it too.

"Live with that"?? I agree, hard times are coming for those that made the wrong choices. On both sides.

Israel needed U.S. bombs and weapons to carry out its massive aerial assault. Without those, Gaza would be standing and tens of thousands would be alive. It is gaslighting or ignorance to claim it could have done it alone. It simply is not the reality.

Do you really think adherence to policy and power structures and rules of the pecking order applies even when you believe your people are being genocided and their land about to be stolen as well? I don't.

Have a nice day.

Envirogal

(169 posts)
113. You are 50 years late
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:25 PM
Nov 15

You act like 50 years of agreed-upon US policy and congressional funding with no strings attached can just be changed easily in a heavily divided Congress during an election campaign year that had two fighting interests that needed to be appeased can happen by will and snapping of fingers???

Where have you been all this time to argue and fight against coordinated pro-Israel groups like APAC??? You are way too late.

Biden is not the president of Israel and did not bomb anyone or take a hostages. And if you think we could cut off funding or even if we did that it would matter? Israel has quite the military operation built already. Cutting off funding would not have affected them for quite some time.

Your hubris and lack of knowledge on how policy works has screwed your cause over. But what is really disgusting is you screwed us all over because you did not connect the dots on the true threat of a Trump presidency with your “I’m taking my ball and going home” attitude. It took Trump a week to put in place his intentions for Israel’s dominance. And this is just the beginning of the gates of hell that is coming for THIS country. Live with that.

Until the different factions of the left and Dem party learn how politics work and you don’t demand anything until you have absolute power FIRST, they will continue to cut their nose to spite their face.

Envirogal

(169 posts)
120. Ah huh.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:32 PM
Nov 15

And I get riled up when people cannot see the political forest through the trees, especially when they take us all down with them.

Envirogal

(169 posts)
124. Well I don't think you did this per se
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:58 PM
Nov 15

But your initial comment snarkily justifying the Arab vote hubris that is now putting the final coffin in the decades Palestinian issue by their own hammer deserved a counter.

It’s a cutting nose to spite their face and they (and their sympathizers) should have bet on the best horse that would achieve their goals. But Biden didn’t have the congressional support with a laser thin margin to do much until the PEOPLE gave the Dems more power to work out a deal. Hamas poked the friggin bear a year out of an US election year with Trump as the clear GOP nominee. Their stupidity and ill timing gave Bibi The perfect political Trojan horse to not only get out of his own personal corruption mess, but to divide the United States up to let Trump back in power.

I may not be the smartest Kid in the class, but I surely saw what this was going to do the Democrats. I can’t help it that people had way more skin in the game than I do didn’t see it. They took the freaking bait instead of playing it smart. And here we are. Not a single thing the folks that in Dearborn MI and their sympathizers wanted is accomplished, especially moving forward.

It’s all so sad and sick. But the Left and the fringe don’t know how to ever win and it will continue to be sad and sick until they get the true religion of how elections and politics in THIS country actually works.

AloeVera

(1,950 posts)
127. A few things...
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 12:27 AM
Saturday

There is a lot of anti-Muslim/Arab bias evident on this thread and others like it, you may have noticed. Ranging from the blinking red-light glee at their imminent downfall to reasonable-sounding outrage that "those people" brought us Trump. Yours falls in the latter, but it no less evinces that bias.

The 160,000 Palestinian Americans including non-voting minors did not cost the election. Nor did the broader Arab/Muslim community of less than 4 million, far less eligible voters. Certainly the 6 million or so people trapped in the kill-zones of Gaza and the West Bank had nothing to do with it. Let's start with that.

"ARAB VOTE HUBRIS" - is that like the LGBTQ vote hubris or the civil rights vote hubris of the 60's? The Vietnam protest vote hubris? But from a GOP perspective of course. How dare those uppity/misguided/freaky people vote against us and what they think is their own best interest? Don't they know they have to wait until their party has "ABSOLUTE POWER" before effecting their rights as citizens and having the right to DEMAND change?

Minorities should not have to wait for anything to demand change from the Democratic Party. Nor did they. Muslims, however, apparently do, even in the midst of their kins' genocide. I detect bias there.

Nail in the coffin caused by the Arab vote hubris? Sure Israel has nothing to do with that, perhaps the actual main culprit? The coffin has been decades in the making, the final nail being the actions and decisions over the past year. It's already a done deal. To attribute the blame for the injustice to the victims of it is well...you know.

There were many things Biden could have done to ease the Palestinians' suffering. He chose not to, partly because of realpolitik and partly out of ideological fervour about Israel. He made his choices and so did the voters including Muslim/Arabs. It's how democracy works, right?

CaptainTruth

(7,219 posts)
28. That's Ground Fault Testing, Guaranteed Funds Transfer...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:54 PM
Nov 14

Or maybe Go F..k Trout? Go Feed Turtles? Grill Filleted Tuna? Grow French Tomatoes?

I guess I'm slow.

Ann B

(13 posts)
88. Inhumanity
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:30 PM
Nov 14

I fail to see the humanity in this discussion. Stopping the killing and starvation of children should be considered before the consideration of punishing people who made a wrong decision in not supporting VP Harris. I very much hope that Pres. Biden will discontinue sending arms to Israel before he leaves office. It would be the humane thing to do. When faced with inhumanity, make sure you don't lose your own humanity.

 

Sundance1220

(105 posts)
96. Where exactly is the humanity
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 11:26 AM
Nov 15

in having a hissy fit and voting for a turd that has consigned women to death for daring to get pregnant? Or for gays living as second class citizens? Or not wanting social security and medicare to end. Or not wanting a supreme court and federal bench filled with filthy magats? Maybe if they buy another scarf on Amazon and go protest at a university while harassing AMERICAN Jews will stop the war. Even if Pres Biden stopped sending weapons, on January 20, those spigots will open again and bibi will have zero guardrails to consider. This isn't about humanity. It's about short sighted, moronic behavior that wants to now be rewarded that has consigned the rest of us to live under a fascist pig.

Envirogal

(169 posts)
116. Sure, that'll work.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:35 PM
Nov 15

Your emotion is trumping your logic. You don’t understand how this works obviously.

It’s the same with the Bernie Sanders voters in 2016. You don’t know how to win therefore you don’t get a say in how power is distributed when you lose. Very simple concept.

Cha

(305,428 posts)
6. They wanted & Voted for TSF.. Go Ask him for HELP...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:08 PM
Nov 14

he can "Fix Every Fucking Thing."

Didn't they NOTICE.

GoodRaisin

(9,588 posts)
10. Jill Stein voters are a special kind of stupid.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:14 PM
Nov 14

Not much else to say about them. They are a sad lot.

magicarpet

(16,514 posts)
104. They dug their own hole.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:15 PM
Nov 15

Now jump in,...

And let djt bury you.

Too bad the rest of us have to suffer the Fascist State your vote against Biden foisted upon us.

Tattoo a swastika on your forehead in memoriam of your vote for Fascism and against American Democracy.

Response to In It to Win It (Original post)

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,197 posts)
11. So I guess the thrill is gone. It was fun when you did that.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:16 PM
Nov 14

What did the leadership in your community advise you to do?

Omnipresent

(6,342 posts)
13. They need to learn how to play our political system.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:20 PM
Nov 14

Israel uses some of the aid money we give them, to lobby US politicians that in turn, vote to give them more money for weapons systems.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
15. Speechless........
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:24 PM
Nov 14

I’m sure Biden has never stopped trying his best to solve this problem! I can’t put into words how much this angers me. How can they expect more help when this country is crumbling at our feet due to voters such as themselves. As my dear 80 year old Jamaican friend once spoke in frustration , the problem with people is the melting pot does not melt anymore. This was back in 2000! Dear Pearl would have dropped dead to hear these pleas voiced in that fashion after such actions! Gotta give it to them though. They got what they wanted.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
44. Pearl, an 80 year old Jamaican immigrant who lived next door to my sister.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:30 PM
Nov 14

She was a very wise soul and I use the term ‘was’ lightly because I feel she is still here in those whose lives she touched.

DFW

(56,540 posts)
16. Let them plead with Trump and Vance
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:28 PM
Nov 14

THAT is who they voted for, directly, or indirectly. They “won,” too. They have NO business running to Biden or Harris now. Let them plead at the feet of those that they helped elect.

sop

(11,198 posts)
18. They wanted to punish Biden and the Democrats, but they just punished themselves.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:31 PM
Nov 14

We'll be hearing a lot more of these Trump buyer's remorse laments from other one-issue voters over the next few months/years.

TheKentuckian

(26,231 posts)
78. Certainly not "just". They wanted to punish Democrats is code for they wanted black people, women, and gay people to
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:38 PM
Nov 14

suffer then on bended knee save their sorry asses and genocide Jews or allow Arabs and Persians to do so in exchange for a pinkie swear to consider possibly voting for Democrats one day.

They really are poison in our collective national veins and are bellicose and stupid as can be.

Mossfern

(3,180 posts)
19. Isn't this the "White Women "don't comment" to this.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:33 PM
Nov 14

...or as perceived by me "White women shut up" blaming white women for Harris's loss.

Nimble_Idea

(2,431 posts)
84. she was venting about the 53% who voted orange feces
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:01 PM
Nov 14

i hear the anger, don't take it all too much. even the anger towards the people who sought to destroy their own people in gaza.
it is all just venting , in the end liberals want to do good and will do so, but there is a point of dgaf if you intend to destroy yourself. there is only so much one can do.

Mossfern

(3,180 posts)
85. Yet, she didn't specify
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:44 PM
Nov 14

There were so many white women who not only voted for Harris, but worked on her campaign, donated what they could, knocked on doors, wrote postcards, made phone calls. When she basically implied that she didn't want to hear from ANY white women, it was a slap in the face to all those who supported Harris.

If a person is going to vent publicly, they should think about the precise message they're sending.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,423 posts)
45. Yes, this is the woman with that rant.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:31 PM
Nov 14

She does not want to talk to white women, so don’t contact her. I went on a rant about it in that thread.

usedtobedemgurl

(1,423 posts)
53. I saw that!
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:53 PM
Nov 14

Beyond rude in the reply. Sometimes I wonder if there are many trolls. Usually Dems do not act so crudely, but tensions are high, and I understand that.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
115. I saw the rant about white women.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:34 PM
Nov 15

It was sad…like watching the original Black Lives Matter action and realizing they wanted to do it by themselves. I’m of the opinion that our problems here are going to take all of us working together. As a woman I will freely say that we can not do it on our own! Men need to stand up with us, speak out and stop the madness. I feel the same way about how the black injustice will not stop in this country but until we reach out to each other and accept the help nothing will change. Anywayyyy long story short the video posted above is solid! I’m glad I watched!

BadgerMom

(2,954 posts)
24. Biden has been trying to negotiate peace since Oct. 2023!
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:46 PM
Nov 14

He’s come close to getting agreement on a ceasefire and one party or the other fails to sign on. And, not for nothin’, I’m 71 and cannot remember a time of general calm in Western Asia. Nothing is ever settled there it feels like. But the Biden administration has been trying. Talk about an epic delusion on the part of Palestinians.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
26. I though Blinken was going to die of exhaustion or one time!
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:51 PM
Nov 14

I’m sure he would love to hear that Biden did nothing.

AloeVera

(1,950 posts)
111. Yes, what he did was very hard indeed. But he pulled it off!
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 02:20 PM
Nov 15

He'll have a nice long rest soon so you won't have to worry.

As will many Palestinians, but instead of vacations, they will join those laid to eternal rest already. In real graves, if they were "lucky". The unlucky ones got bulldozed under or simply bulldozed over to the dumpster. Oh well.

Mortos

(2,453 posts)
31. Dear Uncommitted leaders, see paragraph 3 of my post from a week ago
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:56 PM
Nov 14
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219686170

When Donald Trump gives Israel and its corrupt leader cart blanche to bomb the shit out of Palestinian men, women and children and provides them weapons of mass destruction to do so, I don't want to hear from the pro-Palestinian Muslims who could not bring themselves to vote for Harris; because you voted for more death, more destruction, and no consequences for Netanyahu. You will get no sympathy from me about your regrets and how you shoulda, woulda, coulda done differently now that it affects you and yours.

OrangeJoe

(395 posts)
51. Palestinians
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:47 PM
Nov 14

I really like the Palestinian people and met many wonderful, sweet, kind and smart ones when I traveled throughout the Middle East. Having said that, they are the worst negotiators on the planet. EVERYTIME they lose (1948, 1967, 1973, 1982, etc) they refuse to take the deals offered to them which, no surprise, get worse and worse as their losses accumulate. Now we see the Americans of Palestinian descent have done it again. They had two choices in this election, neither one of them perfect. In a pique of hurt they chose absolutely the worst possible guy they could all to "teach the Democrats a lesson." Mike Huckabee & Ellen Stefanik are horrible people who will not give the Palestinians the time of day. Heck of a job guys!

nycbos

(6,347 posts)
32. To Paraphrase this clip from Airplane!...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:56 PM
Nov 14

…. They supported Donald Trump and Jill Stein. They knew what they were getting into. I say let them crash.

https://m.

et tu

(1,883 posts)
33. nailed it
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:59 PM
Nov 14

and so on target, women betraying women
and thinking joe can do what? israelies are the ones who can
vote bibi out. not anyone in the u.s. the genocide is horrible
and i doubt cf 45 will care one bit.

nini

(16,714 posts)
35. I am OVER anyone who votes against their best interest
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:05 PM
Nov 14

Then blames Democrats when that was their mistake.

I have no Fucks left to give and I’m not just talking about these folks but the elderly who could lose social security, poor not being able to afford what they need etc. . The lack of awareness on how government works and which side historically is on the right side has now brought us all down.

I’ll spend the rest of my days worrying about myself and loved ones. I’ve got nothing left for this nonsense.

PortTack

(34,651 posts)
42. President Biden says there is already enough committed to Ukraine to keep them supplied thru next year.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:24 PM
Nov 14

Also, the 300 billion in Russia sanctioned funds held by the EU is scheduled to be released over the next several months.

So these maga fools and der leader don’t hold all the cards.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,606 posts)
46. It's even worse than bite nose to spite face.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:33 PM
Nov 14

It's actually more like cut off their face to spite their nose.

hvn_nbr_2

(6,606 posts)
43. It's too damn cold in here
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:29 PM
Nov 14

Their logic:
It's too damn cold in this house at 65 degrees. I'm angry so I'm voting for the guy who wants to set the thermostat to 40 below zero. ... They get their way... Joe! Joe! Please! Turn up the thermostat before the 40 below zero guy gets here.
GFY.

wryter2000

(47,460 posts)
50. Thing is...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:42 PM
Nov 14

Joe will do what he can. He’d have more power if he wasn’t going to be gone in a few months.

SWBTATTReg

(24,094 posts)
55. Netanyahu is power hungry and no one is going to be able to do anything w/ him, period. He was on the verge of
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:54 PM
Nov 14

losing his job prior to the attack (his voting was not going good for him), and well, now, his job is preserved. I think this is very strange, or the timing of the attacks is rather good timing for him.

Rob H.

(5,568 posts)
57. The Biden administration did almost nothing to stem the flow of arms to Israel for over a year
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:55 PM
Nov 14

even going so far in August to approve billions in military aid while both houses of Congress were in recess. That happened after Biden refused to attend Netanyahu's address to Congress, and wasn't the first time they were bypassed.

Red lines were declared and subsequently crossed, and nothing changed.

The 30-day deadline threatening to cut off military aid to Israel unless it allowed more humanitarian aid into Gaza passed two days ago, and the US announced it won't be enforcing that ultimatum even though the Israeli government's own data shows that the amount of aid entering Gaza decreased from September to November.

It's not about to start helping now.

The Third Doctor

(379 posts)
62. Im sorry. Im out of fucks to give.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:02 PM
Nov 14

I hate what's going on in the me but they were told what was at stake. They were willfully ignorant and those poor people are going to pay for it. If they voted for Stein, Trump or didn't vote at all? This is their doing. This includes those people who voted in solidarity with them. They screwed their own country's future up plus several others.

Figarosmom

(2,671 posts)
63. I totally agree
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:09 PM
Nov 14

They are why we lost in WI and MI and i' d bet in PA too. We told them they were wrong. It's so frustrating when you know someone is making matters worse and you can't get through to them.

mn9driver

(4,576 posts)
69. We told them.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:25 PM
Nov 14

They are now in the Find Out stage of FAFO.

They have signed the Palestinian people up for more unimaginable atrocities and violence. They can talk to Trump about it. Good luck to them.

Galraedia

(5,174 posts)
71. Trump had already coordinated with Netanyahu to not negotiate a ceasefire until after the election
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:33 PM
Nov 14

Netanyahu knew that Biden wouldn't be able to do much in an election year and that he would push for Israel to end its campaign in Gaza if he won. With Trump, Netanyahu gets the complete annihilation of Gaza and to escalate his war with Iran with support from the United States. Biden can't do anything now. The Palestinian supporters who decided not to vote already ensured the demise of Gaza.

karin_sj

(1,080 posts)
73. I totally disagree
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:54 PM
Nov 14

The Palestinian people who are currently living in Gaza in hellish conditions right now have nothing to do with the idiotic Palestinian Americans who used their votes "to teach a lesson" to Biden and Harris. Those voters are going to probably going to be OK (for a while at least). I can't agree with saying about people who are suffering horrendously: "Let them crash," or "to go F themselves," or laughing at them. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, and all the vitriol is directed towards the Palestinian Americans. It's horrible what has happened and innocent people will suffer. It's nothing to make light of in any case.

wryter2000

(47,460 posts)
87. It's aimed specifically at the people who advocated
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:26 PM
Nov 14

Not voting for Biden. If the man on CNN had been someone who lived in Gaza, he would have received great sympathy and support here. But someone who engineered the Genocide Joe Hate gets nothing but scorn.

DFW

(56,540 posts)
74. Don't ask "Genocide Joe." Ask either "Genocide Jill" or "Demolition Derby Donald" instead.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:55 PM
Nov 14

After all, that's who you voted for.

You told the country two weeks ago that you knew better. Own it. Don't come whining now that you made a mistake. Just keep in mind that you will sleep in a comfortable house tonight in your comfortable bed, while your Palestinian "brothers and sisters" are looking at horrible times ahead due to your righteous actions. Not Genocide Joe. More like Diabolical Dearborners.

LetMyPeopleVote

(154,538 posts)
80. These idiots voted for and supported trump and it is sad seeing them ask President Biden to save them
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:27 PM
Nov 14


TODAY’S EPISODE OF: F*CK AROUND AND FIND OUT!

Oh, so now they’re STARTING to get it.

Voters spoke in a choice election, and it’s going to get exponentially worse in Gaza when Trump takes office. Congrats,
@DrJillStein

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Earthrise

(15,708 posts)
81. The uncommitted delegate in the video went on MSNBC to say he would vote for Harris and asked
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:42 PM
Nov 14

others concerned about Palestine to do the same. Unfortunately, it was a few days before the election and his message didn’t get as far as it needed to or have the effect desired.

Meowmee

(5,515 posts)
82. Most of the them and in G
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:52 PM
Nov 14

Celebrated and supported 10/7 massacre of Jews and also at the same time denied it after posting their videos of their own atrocities. No sympathy for them. Their goal is as has always been to destroy Israel. 70% or higher still support H.

Protest non votes or third party votes are always stupid and self destructive.

jfz9580m

(15,488 posts)
93. That's harsh imo
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 07:47 AM
Nov 15

Last edited Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)

I didn’t agree with the Uncommitted movement because I think : 1) Trump will be a nightmare for Palestine and 2) that symbolic votes are a waste and lead to a lot of suffering. There are ways to take positions protesting the status quo that are less destructive in their effects on the people or things harmed.

But it is similar to when activists for causes piss off people with stupid ideas. Causes don’t select their advocates. The Palestinian people don’t select their advocates in the US.

I highly doubt that Amer Ghalib (that creepy homophobic Hamtramck mayor) etc actually care about Palestine. They are just ideologically closer to the awful, misogynistic, homophobic agenda of consumerism sans regulation purveyed by the GOP. Different religion, same religious and selfish drivel.

I understand her frustration-especially when people post hateful things in her comments section. I wish we could hang together on the left and try to forgive each other.

I still feel sorry for people who will be affected by this horrible election who are poor, in war zones etc. Like everyone else I have only resources to focus on my own stuff and a few causes or people I can help.

The left and centre need to heal their divides.

That October 7th attack by bloody Hamas threw a major wrench into everything. It has had far reaching consequences beyond those felt in Palestine and Israel. It is a huge strain on the largely left/liberal leaning American Jewish and Muslim populations when these things erupt.

It is much easier for the GOP to use hate and stupidity to get ahead.

I still feel sorry for the people of Palestine. I also feel sorry for left wing Jewish people.

Getting the left to pull together is like herding cats :-/.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
128. It could happen to any of them.
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 03:31 PM
Saturday

That being said Per the Patriot Act, Homeland does not have to say who they are detaining. It could happen to any of us! Over the past years I have had the occasion to go into the Homeland Security gated and razor wired facility. Before I go in the building I text a friend to say that I am entering and when I get back in the car I text all clear. It’s the fact that they CAN do it not the possibility that they will that counts with me! Since the 5th all bets are off. It’s not just the deportations that would be bad but the sexual abuse, inhumane conditions and psychological damage that will always be remembered. Our Speaker of the House needs a pact with his kid not to do porn! What would he do with a cage full of women?

Grins

(7,889 posts)
97. At the link he said one thing I agree with.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 11:43 AM
Nov 15

In the clip he asked Biden: “…for once, stand up to Netanyahu…”

He never did. Made noises. Never did.

As others have mentioned, this guy now begging BIDEN to act is peak hypocrisy. Eff him.

AloeVera

(1,950 posts)
103. Yes to the first part. Brave of you to speak this truth
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:14 PM
Nov 15

But I'm wondering who else he can beg except the current President?

Two things stand out to me. One, a lot more people can die in 9 more weeks of the status quo. Two, that anyone should have to BEG to stop a genocide - for 13 months no less- means we've lost our way or perhaps are not who we think we are.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
129. All of this and T has never stopped fueling the fires
Sat Nov 16, 2024, 03:41 PM
Saturday

And throwing caramels into the cage that is Netanyahu!! Did you see the video of Biden and T in the Oval Office this week? They are seated in chairs on either side of the fireplace and the flames in the fireplace are beyond huge! It looks like the fires of hell. I can’t believe that it wasn’t President Biden’s secret message to all! Of all the meetings that I’ve witnessed in those two chairs I have never noticed a fire!

Linda ladeewolf

(394 posts)
98. I fear
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 11:52 AM
Nov 15

We may all have to save ourselves, Gaza’s people included. We may have to form small enclaves like the hippies did just to survive. All of our systems will be destroyed, so there will be few rules. I’d say collectively buy up land parcels, divide them according to need. Find people with the abilities to grow food, make things, much like the Amish do. Support each other, the enclave doesn’t have to be religious.

Lunabell

(6,810 posts)
101. Sorry y'all.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:03 PM
Nov 15

I'm concerned about me and mine right here in this country now. I don't wish harm on the Palestinians, but unfortunately, I just can't. My country is on fire.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
122. It's their country too...
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:52 PM
Nov 15

…and when they figure that out they won’t burn a vote they will vote and then work their butts off to make things better! This situation was a disaster for the entire country!

Lunabell

(6,810 posts)
123. I was actually referring to the Palestinian people.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 03:56 PM
Nov 15

They're the ones on the shit receiving end. The ones in Michigan can go fuck themselves.

Hope22

(2,873 posts)
125. I'm not sure you have to apologize.
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 04:06 PM
Nov 15

I feel like Biden has been doing everything he could to find a solution and TSF has been undermining the situation for four years. Just another fine example of that vile loser! Personally I think the blister of that war and especially the timing of it was exactly for this moment. It was important that Biden look as weak as possible and in turn they get to kill people and steal land. The story of mankind or…unkind.

GreenWave

(9,189 posts)
106. The dick tator has again won. I propose that if one did, they all did!
Fri Nov 15, 2024, 01:22 PM
Nov 15

Oh wait, that's what the bad guys say.

So keep on hating and tell us how your coalition building is going.

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