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(2,177 posts)DENVERPOPS
(9,955 posts)Netanyahu is a psychotic dictator wannabe who is Trump's bestest buddy. Have them talk to Trump, if they have a problem....
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)The same psycho who's been devouring them for 13 months, with 2+ months left to go under our watch.
That's the American way? Perhaps it is.
And LOL - as if talking did them any good in the last year. Their voices were not heard. Their views did not accord with U.S. policy of blind support for Israel. Yeah, they should have gone back for more of the same, and be lulled by the nice words of a fairy tale as their people were being slaughtered and driven from their homes and land. Yup.
Envirogal
(169 posts)AloeVera
(1,950 posts)You can't say anything against AIPAC, surely you know that. Maybe that is changing but at such a glacial pace I never noticed.
Who is this "you" you insult and accuse? The entire pro-justice/ human rights/pro-Pal movement or just me? Both, I guess.
But for the record I didn't agree with the Abandon Harris strategy. Counter-productive and also harmful to people in the U.S. too. I probably hate Trump as much if not more than Netanyahu. I am aghast and in despair too.
The difference is I saw it fucking coming. Not because I think Muslims/Arabs are stupid etc as so many here do. I want no part of this incitement to Muslim hatred. Threads like these make me sick. But because I could understand that this community was put into a corner with no good choices and I was afraid they would make the wrong one. I based this on what I might do if I were in their shoes. And I can do that very well now, having witnessed the carnage in Gaza and having a particularly sensitive system that experiences human suffering through some kind of osmosis. I often wish it weren't so.
Please don't arrogantly assume people are stupid, or not as politically savvy as you. I understand the tightrope Biden was walking. But I saw how time and again he jumped off on Israel's side, and NEVER the Palestinians. He erased all red lines himself, all the way up to the one called ethnic cleansing, as we now see. The Muslim community saw it too.
"Live with that"?? I agree, hard times are coming for those that made the wrong choices. On both sides.
Israel needed U.S. bombs and weapons to carry out its massive aerial assault. Without those, Gaza would be standing and tens of thousands would be alive. It is gaslighting or ignorance to claim it could have done it alone. It simply is not the reality.
Do you really think adherence to policy and power structures and rules of the pecking order applies even when you believe your people are being genocided and their land about to be stolen as well? I don't.
Have a nice day.
Envirogal
(169 posts)You act like 50 years of agreed-upon US policy and congressional funding with no strings attached can just be changed easily in a heavily divided Congress during an election campaign year that had two fighting interests that needed to be appeased can happen by will and snapping of fingers???
Where have you been all this time to argue and fight against coordinated pro-Israel groups like APAC??? You are way too late.
Biden is not the president of Israel and did not bomb anyone or take a hostages. And if you think we could cut off funding or even if we did that it would matter? Israel has quite the military operation built already. Cutting off funding would not have affected them for quite some time.
Your hubris and lack of knowledge on how policy works has screwed your cause over. But what is really disgusting is you screwed us all over because you did not connect the dots on the true threat of a Trump presidency with your Im taking my ball and going home attitude. It took Trump a week to put in place his intentions for Israels dominance. And this is just the beginning of the gates of hell that is coming for THIS country. Live with that.
Until the different factions of the left and Dem party learn how politics work and you dont demand anything until you have absolute power FIRST, they will continue to cut their nose to spite their face.
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)Happens when I get riled up...
And I get riled up when people cannot see the political forest through the trees, especially when they take us all down with them.
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)Too bad.
Envirogal
(169 posts)But your initial comment snarkily justifying the Arab vote hubris that is now putting the final coffin in the decades Palestinian issue by their own hammer deserved a counter.
Its a cutting nose to spite their face and they (and their sympathizers) should have bet on the best horse that would achieve their goals. But Biden didnt have the congressional support with a laser thin margin to do much until the PEOPLE gave the Dems more power to work out a deal. Hamas poked the friggin bear a year out of an US election year with Trump as the clear GOP nominee. Their stupidity and ill timing gave Bibi The perfect political Trojan horse to not only get out of his own personal corruption mess, but to divide the United States up to let Trump back in power.
I may not be the smartest Kid in the class, but I surely saw what this was going to do the Democrats. I cant help it that people had way more skin in the game than I do didnt see it. They took the freaking bait instead of playing it smart. And here we are. Not a single thing the folks that in Dearborn MI and their sympathizers wanted is accomplished, especially moving forward.
Its all so sad and sick. But the Left and the fringe dont know how to ever win and it will continue to be sad and sick until they get the true religion of how elections and politics in THIS country actually works.
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)There is a lot of anti-Muslim/Arab bias evident on this thread and others like it, you may have noticed. Ranging from the blinking red-light glee at their imminent downfall to reasonable-sounding outrage that "those people" brought us Trump. Yours falls in the latter, but it no less evinces that bias.
The 160,000 Palestinian Americans including non-voting minors did not cost the election. Nor did the broader Arab/Muslim community of less than 4 million, far less eligible voters. Certainly the 6 million or so people trapped in the kill-zones of Gaza and the West Bank had nothing to do with it. Let's start with that.
"ARAB VOTE HUBRIS" - is that like the LGBTQ vote hubris or the civil rights vote hubris of the 60's? The Vietnam protest vote hubris? But from a GOP perspective of course. How dare those uppity/misguided/freaky people vote against us and what they think is their own best interest? Don't they know they have to wait until their party has "ABSOLUTE POWER" before effecting their rights as citizens and having the right to DEMAND change?
Minorities should not have to wait for anything to demand change from the Democratic Party. Nor did they. Muslims, however, apparently do, even in the midst of their kins' genocide. I detect bias there.
Nail in the coffin caused by the Arab vote hubris? Sure Israel has nothing to do with that, perhaps the actual main culprit? The coffin has been decades in the making, the final nail being the actions and decisions over the past year. It's already a done deal. To attribute the blame for the injustice to the victims of it is well...you know.
There were many things Biden could have done to ease the Palestinians' suffering. He chose not to, partly because of realpolitik and partly out of ideological fervour about Israel. He made his choices and so did the voters including Muslim/Arabs. It's how democracy works, right?
CaptainTruth
(7,219 posts)Or maybe Go F..k Trout? Go Feed Turtles? Grill Filleted Tuna? Grow French Tomatoes?
I guess I'm slow.
reACTIONary
(6,009 posts)AZ8theist
(6,491 posts)CaptainTruth
(7,219 posts)ms liberty
(9,826 posts)magicarpet
(16,514 posts)... is that Mike Johnson,... what about his Purity Pledge ?
TomSlick
(11,890 posts)Sundance1220
(105 posts)No typo
TomSlick
(11,890 posts)I fail to see the humanity in this discussion. Stopping the killing and starvation of children should be considered before the consideration of punishing people who made a wrong decision in not supporting VP Harris. I very much hope that Pres. Biden will discontinue sending arms to Israel before he leaves office. It would be the humane thing to do. When faced with inhumanity, make sure you don't lose your own humanity.
Sundance1220
(105 posts)in having a hissy fit and voting for a turd that has consigned women to death for daring to get pregnant? Or for gays living as second class citizens? Or not wanting social security and medicare to end. Or not wanting a supreme court and federal bench filled with filthy magats? Maybe if they buy another scarf on Amazon and go protest at a university while harassing AMERICAN Jews will stop the war. Even if Pres Biden stopped sending weapons, on January 20, those spigots will open again and bibi will have zero guardrails to consider. This isn't about humanity. It's about short sighted, moronic behavior that wants to now be rewarded that has consigned the rest of us to live under a fascist pig.
Envirogal
(169 posts)Your emotion is trumping your logic. You dont understand how this works obviously.
Its the same with the Bernie Sanders voters in 2016. You dont know how to win therefore you dont get a say in how power is distributed when you lose. Very simple concept.
gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)beaglelover
(4,053 posts)Rebl2
(14,705 posts)ellemb
(95 posts)they should have. Very short sighted of them I suppose.
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,522 posts)Rebl2
(14,705 posts)Hekate
(94,665 posts)Cha
(305,428 posts)he can "Fix Every Fucking Thing."
Didn't they NOTICE.
GoodRaisin
(9,588 posts)Not much else to say about them. They are a sad lot.
33taw
(2,810 posts)magicarpet
(16,514 posts)Now jump in,...
And let djt bury you.
Too bad the rest of us have to suffer the Fascist State your vote against Biden foisted upon us.
Tattoo a swastika on your forehead in memoriam of your vote for Fascism and against American Democracy.
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)BannonsLiver
(18,003 posts)Response to In It to Win It (Original post)
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kerry-is-my-prez
(9,197 posts)What did the leadership in your community advise you to do?
tritsofme
(18,530 posts)Omnipresent
(6,342 posts)Israel uses some of the aid money we give them, to lobby US politicians that in turn, vote to give them more money for weapons systems.
cloudbase
(5,747 posts)Hope22
(2,873 posts)Im sure Biden has never stopped trying his best to solve this problem! I cant put into words how much this angers me. How can they expect more help when this country is crumbling at our feet due to voters such as themselves. As my dear 80 year old Jamaican friend once spoke in frustration , the problem with people is the melting pot does not melt anymore. This was back in 2000! Dear Pearl would have dropped dead to hear these pleas voiced in that fashion after such actions! Gotta give it to them though. They got what they wanted.
Biophilic
(4,740 posts)Hope22
(2,873 posts)💗💗💗🙏🏼
Biophilic
(4,740 posts)reACTIONary
(6,009 posts)Hope22
(2,873 posts)She was a very wise soul and I use the term was lightly because I feel she is still here in those whose lives she touched.
littlemissmartypants
(25,483 posts)DFW
(56,540 posts)THAT is who they voted for, directly, or indirectly. They won, too. They have NO business running to Biden or Harris now. Let them plead at the feet of those that they helped elect.
magicarpet
(16,514 posts)... not her beautiful 23thd cousin 78X removed.
DFW
(56,540 posts)sop
(11,198 posts)We'll be hearing a lot more of these Trump buyer's remorse laments from other one-issue voters over the next few months/years.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)Most certainly did.
TheKentuckian
(26,231 posts)suffer then on bended knee save their sorry asses and genocide Jews or allow Arabs and Persians to do so in exchange for a pinkie swear to consider possibly voting for Democrats one day.
They really are poison in our collective national veins and are bellicose and stupid as can be.
Mossfern
(3,180 posts)...or as perceived by me "White women shut up" blaming white women for Harris's loss.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(115,324 posts)Why don't you watch it and learn?
Mossfern
(3,180 posts)as well as the last one of hers that was posted here.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219704433
No need to be so rude.
As you can see, it is the same person.
Nimble_Idea
(2,431 posts)i hear the anger, don't take it all too much. even the anger towards the people who sought to destroy their own people in gaza.
it is all just venting , in the end liberals want to do good and will do so, but there is a point of dgaf if you intend to destroy yourself. there is only so much one can do.
Mossfern
(3,180 posts)There were so many white women who not only voted for Harris, but worked on her campaign, donated what they could, knocked on doors, wrote postcards, made phone calls. When she basically implied that she didn't want to hear from ANY white women, it was a slap in the face to all those who supported Harris.
If a person is going to vent publicly, they should think about the precise message they're sending.
usedtobedemgurl
(1,423 posts)She does not want to talk to white women, so dont contact her. I went on a rant about it in that thread.
Mossfern
(3,180 posts)but apparently I need to watch her current one (even though I did) and "learn."
usedtobedemgurl
(1,423 posts)Beyond rude in the reply. Sometimes I wonder if there are many trolls. Usually Dems do not act so crudely, but tensions are high, and I understand that.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)It was sad like watching the original Black Lives Matter action and realizing they wanted to do it by themselves. Im of the opinion that our problems here are going to take all of us working together. As a woman I will freely say that we can not do it on our own! Men need to stand up with us, speak out and stop the madness. I feel the same way about how the black injustice will not stop in this country but until we reach out to each other and accept the help nothing will change. Anywayyyy long story short the video posted above is solid! Im glad I watched!
BadgerMom
(2,954 posts)Hes come close to getting agreement on a ceasefire and one party or the other fails to sign on. And, not for nothin, Im 71 and cannot remember a time of general calm in Western Asia. Nothing is ever settled there it feels like. But the Biden administration has been trying. Talk about an epic delusion on the part of Palestinians.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)Im sure he would love to hear that Biden did nothing.
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)He'll have a nice long rest soon so you won't have to worry.
As will many Palestinians, but instead of vacations, they will join those laid to eternal rest already. In real graves, if they were "lucky". The unlucky ones got bulldozed under or simply bulldozed over to the dumpster. Oh well.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)And let this nightmare pass from memory!
RandySF
(70,636 posts)Baitball Blogger
(48,049 posts)Mortos
(2,453 posts)When Donald Trump gives Israel and its corrupt leader cart blanche to bomb the shit out of Palestinian men, women and children and provides them weapons of mass destruction to do so, I don't want to hear from the pro-Palestinian Muslims who could not bring themselves to vote for Harris; because you voted for more death, more destruction, and no consequences for Netanyahu. You will get no sympathy from me about your regrets and how you shoulda, woulda, coulda done differently now that it affects you and yours.
OrangeJoe
(395 posts)I really like the Palestinian people and met many wonderful, sweet, kind and smart ones when I traveled throughout the Middle East. Having said that, they are the worst negotiators on the planet. EVERYTIME they lose (1948, 1967, 1973, 1982, etc) they refuse to take the deals offered to them which, no surprise, get worse and worse as their losses accumulate. Now we see the Americans of Palestinian descent have done it again. They had two choices in this election, neither one of them perfect. In a pique of hurt they chose absolutely the worst possible guy they could all to "teach the Democrats a lesson." Mike Huckabee & Ellen Stefanik are horrible people who will not give the Palestinians the time of day. Heck of a job guys!
nycbos
(6,347 posts)
. They supported Donald Trump and Jill Stein. They knew what they were getting into. I say let them crash.
https://m.
et tu
(1,883 posts)and so on target, women betraying women
and thinking joe can do what? israelies are the ones who can
vote bibi out. not anyone in the u.s. the genocide is horrible
and i doubt cf 45 will care one bit.
BluenFLA
(162 posts)nini
(16,714 posts)Then blames Democrats when that was their mistake.
I have no Fucks left to give and Im not just talking about these folks but the elderly who could lose social security, poor not being able to afford what they need etc. . The lack of awareness on how government works and which side historically is on the right side has now brought us all down.
Ill spend the rest of my days worrying about myself and loved ones. Ive got nothing left for this nonsense.
Farmer-Rick
(11,407 posts)Maybe even some US troops dying for mother Russia.
PortTack
(34,651 posts)Also, the 300 billion in Russia sanctioned funds held by the EU is scheduled to be released over the next several months.
So these maga fools and der leader dont hold all the cards.
wryter2000
(47,460 posts)Pototan
(2,023 posts)Bite nose to spite face.
Made bed, now sleep in it.
Pass the popcorn.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,606 posts)It's actually more like cut off their face to spite their nose.
hvn_nbr_2
(6,606 posts)Their logic:
It's too damn cold in this house at 65 degrees. I'm angry so I'm voting for the guy who wants to set the thermostat to 40 below zero. ... They get their way... Joe! Joe! Please! Turn up the thermostat before the 40 below zero guy gets here.
GFY.
Justice matters.
(7,513 posts)they voted for...
wryter2000
(47,460 posts)Joe will do what he can. Hed have more power if he wasnt going to be gone in a few months.
StarryNite
(10,825 posts)SWBTATTReg
(24,094 posts)losing his job prior to the attack (his voting was not going good for him), and well, now, his job is preserved. I think this is very strange, or the timing of the attacks is rather good timing for him.
Rob H.
(5,568 posts)even going so far in August to approve billions in military aid while both houses of Congress were in recess. That happened after Biden refused to attend Netanyahu's address to Congress, and wasn't the first time they were bypassed.
Red lines were declared and subsequently crossed, and nothing changed.
The 30-day deadline threatening to cut off military aid to Israel unless it allowed more humanitarian aid into Gaza passed two days ago, and the US announced it won't be enforcing that ultimatum even though the Israeli government's own data shows that the amount of aid entering Gaza decreased from September to November.
It's not about to start helping now.
Betty Boom
(204 posts)To put it more bluntly? They can go fuck themselves.
The Third Doctor
(379 posts)I hate what's going on in the me but they were told what was at stake. They were willfully ignorant and those poor people are going to pay for it. If they voted for Stein, Trump or didn't vote at all? This is their doing. This includes those people who voted in solidarity with them. They screwed their own country's future up plus several others.
Figarosmom
(2,671 posts)They are why we lost in WI and MI and i' d bet in PA too. We told them they were wrong. It's so frustrating when you know someone is making matters worse and you can't get through to them.
Basso8vb
(302 posts)No sympathy.
Pas-de-Calais
(9,996 posts)Boo
The
Effin
Who
bee_peaceful
(28 posts)mn9driver
(4,576 posts)They are now in the Find Out stage of FAFO.
They have signed the Palestinian people up for more unimaginable atrocities and violence. They can talk to Trump about it. Good luck to them.
LW1977
(1,395 posts)JoseBalow
(5,170 posts)Galraedia
(5,174 posts)Netanyahu knew that Biden wouldn't be able to do much in an election year and that he would push for Israel to end its campaign in Gaza if he won. With Trump, Netanyahu gets the complete annihilation of Gaza and to escalate his war with Iran with support from the United States. Biden can't do anything now. The Palestinian supporters who decided not to vote already ensured the demise of Gaza.
iluvtennis
(20,864 posts)karin_sj
(1,080 posts)The Palestinian people who are currently living in Gaza in hellish conditions right now have nothing to do with the idiotic Palestinian Americans who used their votes "to teach a lesson" to Biden and Harris. Those voters are going to probably going to be OK (for a while at least). I can't agree with saying about people who are suffering horrendously: "Let them crash," or "to go F themselves," or laughing at them. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, and all the vitriol is directed towards the Palestinian Americans. It's horrible what has happened and innocent people will suffer. It's nothing to make light of in any case.
wryter2000
(47,460 posts)Not voting for Biden. If the man on CNN had been someone who lived in Gaza, he would have received great sympathy and support here. But someone who engineered the Genocide Joe Hate gets nothing but scorn.
DFW
(56,540 posts)After all, that's who you voted for.
You told the country two weeks ago that you knew better. Own it. Don't come whining now that you made a mistake. Just keep in mind that you will sleep in a comfortable house tonight in your comfortable bed, while your Palestinian "brothers and sisters" are looking at horrible times ahead due to your righteous actions. Not Genocide Joe. More like Diabolical Dearborners.
Efilroft Sul
(3,747 posts)Especially in the voting booth.
Blue_Tires
(55,787 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(154,538 posts)Link to tweet
Oh, so now theyre STARTING to get it.
Voters spoke in a choice election, and its going to get exponentially worse in Gaza when Trump takes office. Congrats,
@DrJillStein
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Earthrise
(15,708 posts)others concerned about Palestine to do the same. Unfortunately, it was a few days before the election and his message didnt get as far as it needed to or have the effect desired.
Meowmee
(5,515 posts)Celebrated and supported 10/7 massacre of Jews and also at the same time denied it after posting their videos of their own atrocities. No sympathy for them. Their goal is as has always been to destroy Israel. 70% or higher still support H.
Protest non votes or third party votes are always stupid and self destructive.
Nimble_Idea
(2,431 posts)AloeVera
(1,950 posts)republianmushroom
(17,650 posts)Blue for the win
(81 posts)GFY!!!!!!!
Blue for the win
(81 posts)Maybe Jill Stein can help you...ROFL
Emile
(29,834 posts)jfz9580m
(15,488 posts)Last edited Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:56 PM - Edit history (1)
I didnt agree with the Uncommitted movement because I think : 1) Trump will be a nightmare for Palestine and 2) that symbolic votes are a waste and lead to a lot of suffering. There are ways to take positions protesting the status quo that are less destructive in their effects on the people or things harmed.
But it is similar to when activists for causes piss off people with stupid ideas. Causes dont select their advocates. The Palestinian people dont select their advocates in the US.
I highly doubt that Amer Ghalib (that creepy homophobic Hamtramck mayor) etc actually care about Palestine. They are just ideologically closer to the awful, misogynistic, homophobic agenda of consumerism sans regulation purveyed by the GOP. Different religion, same religious and selfish drivel.
I understand her frustration-especially when people post hateful things in her comments section. I wish we could hang together on the left and try to forgive each other.
I still feel sorry for people who will be affected by this horrible election who are poor, in war zones etc. Like everyone else I have only resources to focus on my own stuff and a few causes or people I can help.
The left and centre need to heal their divides.
That October 7th attack by bloody Hamas threw a major wrench into everything. It has had far reaching consequences beyond those felt in Palestine and Israel. It is a huge strain on the largely left/liberal leaning American Jewish and Muslim populations when these things erupt.
It is much easier for the GOP to use hate and stupidity to get ahead.
I still feel sorry for the people of Palestine. I also feel sorry for left wing Jewish people.
Getting the left to pull together is like herding cats :-/.
OhioTim
(297 posts)how about the deportation of all Muslim Americans, even citizens
Hope22
(2,873 posts)That being said Per the Patriot Act, Homeland does not have to say who they are detaining. It could happen to any of us! Over the past years I have had the occasion to go into the Homeland Security gated and razor wired facility. Before I go in the building I text a friend to say that I am entering and when I get back in the car I text all clear. Its the fact that they CAN do it not the possibility that they will that counts with me! Since the 5th all bets are off. Its not just the deportations that would be bad but the sexual abuse, inhumane conditions and psychological damage that will always be remembered. Our Speaker of the House needs a pact with his kid not to do porn! What would he do with a cage full of women?
Grins
(7,889 posts)In the clip he asked Biden:
for once, stand up to Netanyahu
He never did. Made noises. Never did.
As others have mentioned, this guy now begging BIDEN to act is peak hypocrisy. Eff him.
AloeVera
(1,950 posts)But I'm wondering who else he can beg except the current President?
Two things stand out to me. One, a lot more people can die in 9 more weeks of the status quo. Two, that anyone should have to BEG to stop a genocide - for 13 months no less- means we've lost our way or perhaps are not who we think we are.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)And throwing caramels into the cage that is Netanyahu!! Did you see the video of Biden and T in the Oval Office this week? They are seated in chairs on either side of the fireplace and the flames in the fireplace are beyond huge! It looks like the fires of hell. I cant believe that it wasnt President Bidens secret message to all! Of all the meetings that Ive witnessed in those two chairs I have never noticed a fire!
Linda ladeewolf
(394 posts)We may all have to save ourselves, Gazas people included. We may have to form small enclaves like the hippies did just to survive. All of our systems will be destroyed, so there will be few rules. Id say collectively buy up land parcels, divide them according to need. Find people with the abilities to grow food, make things, much like the Amish do. Support each other, the enclave doesnt have to be religious.
Bird Lady
(1,914 posts)I'll be watching what I need on Bluesky.
Lunabell
(6,810 posts)I'm concerned about me and mine right here in this country now. I don't wish harm on the Palestinians, but unfortunately, I just can't. My country is on fire.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)and when they figure that out they wont burn a vote they will vote and then work their butts off to make things better! This situation was a disaster for the entire country!
Lunabell
(6,810 posts)They're the ones on the shit receiving end. The ones in Michigan can go fuck themselves.
Hope22
(2,873 posts)I feel like Biden has been doing everything he could to find a solution and TSF has been undermining the situation for four years. Just another fine example of that vile loser! Personally I think the blister of that war and especially the timing of it was exactly for this moment. It was important that Biden look as weak as possible and in turn they get to kill people and steal land. The story of mankind or unkind.
GreenWave
(9,189 posts)Oh wait, that's what the bad guys say.
So keep on hating and tell us how your coalition building is going.
kansasobama
(1,493 posts)He will get our help and then vote MAGA.