The USA has about 60 days to save itself. Do we have the guts to do what is necessary?

[hawkeye21]

And by that I mean if Trump is allowed to take office, the USA and the free world are finished. Russia will eventually take Ukraine and, from there, with the approval of Trump, will move on to Western Europe. Trump said a few months ago that "Putin should do whatever the hell he wants." And with the aid of Trump's administration, he will.

With Trump and MAGA controlling the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, there would be NOTHING to stop America's Hitler from doing everything and anything he wants. He will appoint even more MAGA (Supreme) Court justices. He will further fill the ranks of judgeships all over the country with MAGA loyalists. There will be no place to turn. And anyone who thinks the country will turn on him in 2028 is a naive fool. There is no reason to believe there will ever be a free and fair election in this country again if Trump is allowed to take office. As you know, he already said if you vote for him now, you won't have to bother voting ever again because they'll have things fixed.

Would Germany and the world have been better off if the original Hitler had been stopped in 1933 instead of in 1945 after a second world war?

Make no mistake. Project 2025 and more will destroy any semblance of a US democracy. Trump will jail anyone he wants for any reason, and there will be no one to stop him. He'a already said Liz Cheney and General Milley should be put before a firing squad. Do you really think those are just words?

Not since the first Civil War has the United States faced a threat of such magnitude. And unless Biden uses his authority as president to stop Trump before he gets started, the United States will fall onto the trash heap of history.

MAGA said there would be war if Trump lost. Well, unless there is war now, unless Biden uses every tool at his disposal--yes, including as commander in chief--then all will be lost and the only way to get our country back will still be war . . . only then it will be incrementally more difficult because Trump and MAGA will hold all the cards.

So what'll it be? Are we gonna fight--I mean really fight--to save our country, or are we going to hand it over to domestic terrorists? Is Biden going to be Churchill or Chamberlain? That's where we are, like it or not.

[Ocelot II]

1. What do you suggest?

Is it our turn to storm the Capitol and stop the electoral vote count? Any other ideas?

[Drum]

2. For example...?

[Drum]

15. Riiiiiight

[Disaffected]

24. What about those who have trouble with

thinking comprehension?

[RubyRose]

31. Didn't look like Biden shared your concerns

yesterday when he met with him.

[osteopath6]

34. Orrrr

We can just win the election again down the road. Don't be so fatalistic. The doomsday stuff has been around my entire life. We will win again, this was an election of margins.

We were in power, we felt the voters' wrath.
In 2020, they were, and COVID was the issue then causing misery

70% said they weren't happy. 70%!

[sarisataka]

3. Are you heading to the Capitol on January 6

to do what must be done? Are you gonna fight--I mean really fight--to save our country

[rurallib]

4. Is this your opinion or is it taken from another source?

If it is from another source, please cite it.

If it your opinion I wish you would note that.

Either way what is it you suggest? We had an election. Elections have consequences.

Or maybe we could storm the capitol?

[FullySupportDems]

5. I hope this doesn't turn ugly and get locked

Because I'd truly like to understand what specifically our wonderful, and we were damned lucky to have him, Biden can do.

[unblock]

8. any executive order would be quickly reversed by donnie. any law passed would be quickly repealed by the new congress.

or just ignored with no consequence, there's no way to enforce anything on them at this point.

we need to focus on and develop opposition strategies. protests, work stoppages, social media strategies, information undergrounds, etc.

[FullySupportDems]

25. That makes sense

Of course that is only true if he's allowed to assume office. Can it possibly be legally stopped? By Biden? And then where would we be?

I just don't see it happening, because I don't think there's enough popular support for President Biden to take drastic actions like that. I don't think there's any way to stop t rump from the presidency. And it follows that he'll overturn anything wants.

[wnylib]

48. Glenn Kirshner of the Justice Matters podcast

made a suggestion for refusing to administer the oath of office to Trump, but it won't happen. Biden would never do it and it would result in instant violence.

Kirschner said that the 14th amendment, Section 3 still holds that no one can hold office after breaking an oath and engaging in an insurrection. The Supreme Court ruled that Trump could be on the ballot, but did not rule that he could serve if elected. Therefore, Kirshner pushed the idea that Trump could still be denied the presidency.

Kirschner was blowing out empty hot air. Who would make the determination and enforce it? Nothing gives Biden that power. The SC would rule against it. If attempted, it would create an instant violent response from MAGAs.

[osteopath6]

35. Yes!

Not be giving up, convinced our doom is but moments away. It isn't!

We are going to come back from this. We always do..

[FullySupportDems]

41. Protecting vulnerable people should be a priority

People being attacked is what worries me most, and there are so many people in their sights. I hope to see concerted efforts to stand in the way of that. Stand right in it's way.

We're going to have to convince some maga people to stand against some of it too. My 2 cents. Most are still human.

I have to get. Be well

[unblock]

6. it's too late for any of that.

if donnie were somehow prevented from taking office, republicans would still hold the trifecta.

it's not as if the republican party was perfectly reasonable and donnie was a singular anomaly. at this point, it doesn't really matter. vance or anyone else in the oval office would be just as much of a disaster, possibly even worse as anyone else would have somewhat more competence.


we need to accept that the fascists have taken over and we need to prepare oppositional and survival strategies.

[Autumn]

7. Biden is preparing to turn the reins of the government to Trump. You think he's

going to mount a horse and lead a Calvary charge to overthow Trump? Not. Going. To. Happen.

[LiberalArkie]

9. The Republicans will destroy themselves if our congress critters only vote "Present".

They can't seem to agree among themselves on anything with out the Democrats saving them.

[ramedy]

10. Sorry but the US is over.

This election was the last chance to save it. That chance failed. Its not coming back.

[DeepWinter]

11. We welcome

your legal ideas to address this.

[hawkeye21]

14. See Lincoln, Abraham or Civil War, US

Maybe that will help.

Why did Lincoln use military force against his fellow Americans? Sure, the South fired the first shots, but why retaliate when you could just talk it out with the fine, reasonable, slaveholding racist gentlemen of the South?

[thucythucy]

21. Lincoln was the duly elected president.

What you seem to be suggesting is more akin to what southern slave owners did, rather than Lincoln's response.

They refused to accept the election results, and so initiated a civil war.

Is that what you're suggesting here?

[Zeitghost]

38. What you are proposing is the exact opposite of Lincoln

The Southern States didn't like the outcome of a Presidential election and so they took up arms and attacked the federal government.


You aren't advocating for Lincoln's position, you are advocating for the Confederate position.

[hawkeye21]

17. I really don't think many of you understand what's about to happen if Trump takes over every branch of government.

But unless we, the Biden administration, use every option--including the military--to stop Trump, then everyone who has ever died in combat to save this country from fascists will, in fact, have died in vain.

But then hey, rules are rules, right? So let's play by the rules while the domestic terrorists jail journalists and late-night talk show hosts and anyone else they damn please. Let's play by the rules and watch as Liz Cheney and Gen. Milley are set before firing squads. Yah, that's the way decent people behave. They bow down to fascists and hope for the best. Good luck with that.

[thatdemguy]

23. If you think it will be bad under trump it would be

Much worse if Biden tries a coup using the military. Every one of the bill of rights would go out the window tomorrow. Imagine the military going door to door because someone protested the take over by Biden. Imagine when they go in to houses to search for guns with no warrants, imagine when they throw people in jail with out a trial because they voted a certain way. People on both sides would get swept up in it, people protesting those protesting the take over would get shot at just as fast as the other side.

If Biden tried to do a military coup, it would make the civil war look peaceful, and destroy everything that keeps us safe. Yes rump may try to do away with some of it, but tearing down the house of cards completely because one section could fall is much worse.

[bucolic_frolic]

37. There is that argument, to prevent foreign power in possession

But could the case be made legally? To the point where the public would buy it? And not to mention there would be the fallout. There is not a clear choice.

[Zeitghost]

39. The quickest and easiest way for Trump to become a dictator

Is for Biden to attempt to stop him from taking office with military force.

The military would not follow those illegal orders and it would give Trump a fairly valid reason to declare martial law once in office to ensure the attempted coup was fully put down.

What you are suggesting makes the J6 crowd look like peaceful demonstrators by comparison.

[SQUEE]

45. Do you want RW death squads?

Revisit the regimes of Pinochet? Franko? Because that's what you seem to be asking for.

[doc03]

13. Are you serious Biden had a cordial meeting

with the SOB yesterday.

[hawkeye21]

16. I know. And that's the point.

Why didn't Lincoln just meet with Jefferson Davis and hand the country over to him rather than get involved in a nasty civil war?

[doc03]

18. There was no Fort Sumter it was an election. The

time to do something was J6.

[tritsofme]

46. You are not Lincoln in this scenario, you are the Confederacy.

[BannonsLiver]

19. Let's hear some specifics

What does fight mean to you?

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Waiting here with you

Just gotta run out pick up a 40.

[confoosed]

20. Good grief

Russia is not going to invade & take over Europe.

Trump will be gone in 4 years and if he's half as bad as we think he'll be, he will usher in a blue wave of Pres/Senate/HoR for 4-8 years.

Every generation has had someone they thought was extreme and the US has survived. It will survive Trump, and it will be up to us to push it back in the right direction. These kinds of crazy, over the top suggestions of things that will never happen make it easier and easier for us to be ignored.

[bucolic_frolic]

26. That's what the right keeps telling us /nt

[JustAnotherGen]

28. Do tell

How do you know this for a fact?

[osteopath6]

30. Because it's silly

They couldn't even "take over" Ukraine. EU/NATO isn't Ukraine.

[JustAnotherGen]

40. For now

[MayReasonRule]

36. Whether Our Representative Democracy Survives As More Than A Hollow Sham Remains To Be Seen

Reason always resists delusion because in reason's absence our freedoms cease to exist.

How to resist?

1. Do Not Be A Hero
2. Keep Your Head Low
3. Do The Next Correct Thing For Yourself And Your Own
4. Repeat Process

I will be pleasantly surprised if states protecting those within their borders do not end up in armed confrontations with fascist goons.

Time will tell.
Me and mine are just working within arms reach of ourselves.

Don't let the bastards get ya' down.
Seize your day and laissez les bon temps rouler!

[ScratchCat]

22. I've got two friends

who are "stocking their bunkers" because they expect a military coup in January. One thinks that forcing this on America was Putin's plan(make the current administration destroy the country rather than let Trump) and is certain the votes were altered by Musk and Putin.

[jimfields33]

32. Bunkers were especially popular in the 50's.

Today people still do that sort of thing. Everybody can stock up on items, if they’d like.

[osteopath6]

33. He knows more than Biden/CISA?

Nt

[osteopath6]

29. So

Fight to overthrow a democratically elected President who won the most votes. You're the anti-Democratic force.

Democrats see right through what you're trying to do. MAGA provocateurs are real.

[Oopsie Daisy]

42. What did you have in mind? Is it something legal or illegal?

[Kaleva]

43. What have you decided to do?

You forgot to mention it in your OP.

Your comment:

"So what'll it be? Are we gonna fight--I mean really fight--to save our country, or are we going to hand it over to domestic terrorists?"

[Elessar Zappa]

44. Like it or not,

Trump won the electoral college and a majority of votes. We have no authority to overturn a legitimate election.

[Ann B]

47. Entertaining Trump

I don't think so. Biden is too busy entertaining Trump. Class action lawsuits should be filed against the Supreme Court for distorting the Constitution and against the Republican Party for giving us a candidate such as Trump. It doesn't matter if the suits go anywhere. Just keep filing them and if turned down, change a few words and file again. Appeal, appeal, appeal.
And, if not VP Harris, some Democratic politician's name should be out there every day. Just like Trump's has been since 2020.