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MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:22 AM Thursday

The way forward from Marc Elias

This is my first email from Marc Elias since I upgraded to Premium Membership of Democracy Docket. I encourage others to do the same. I believe this is the best way forward, for us to organize with the guidance of the most successful elections lawyer we have.


Democracy Docket
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We now know that Trumpism is not a passing fad, it is not a temporary condition. Starting on Jan. 20, 2025, it will be an empowered regime. Yet, unlike past governing shifts, this one is unmoored from any consistent ideology or bedrock principle. It is based solely on the whims of one man. Trumpism's only core belief is that Donald Trump — the man — is subject to no limit, no out of bounds, no guardrails.

Recent generations have been defined by their greatest struggles — defeating fascism in Europe, the Vietnam War, facing down the Soviet Union, 9/11. The current era will be remembered as the time when democracy was under attack from its own president and with the assistance of one of its two dominant political parties.

It didn’t have to be this way. The election results were close. Had Joe Biden made good on his promise to be a transitional figure — a “bridge” to a new generation of Democratic candidates — we might not be in this situation. He would have been a hero. Now, he will be remembered most for his ill-advised decision to attempt a reelection run.

The signs of what would happen if Trump regained power have been known for years. In the wake of Joe Biden’s 2020 victory, I warned about the ongoing threat of Trumpism:
Trumpism has taught us that, for our democracy to survive, we cannot allow ourselves to be exposed to public evils from private vices. This means hardening our institutions of democracy and making them more explicit.

I wrote that before Jan. 6, 2021, and the violent insurrection. It was before Republican state legislatures enacted new voter suppression laws. It was before congressional Republicans stymied new federal voting rights laws. Most importantly, it was before Donald Trump transformed the Republican National Committee (RNC) into little more than an anti-democracy war machine.
Joe Biden knew the stakes of this election. He spoke of them often. Yet, he rolled the dice anyway. We all lost.

There will be plenty of time to analyze the election returns to better understand exactly why voters cast their ballots for Trump. Beyond the obvious effects of Biden’s decision to run and his unpopularity, there is little consensus. In some respects, it doesn’t matter. For now, the damage is done.

Democrats' path forward is most likely one they currently do not see. After John Kerry lost in 2004, no one envisioned Barack Obama would lead the party into a massive electoral victory that reshaped politics four years later. It required Democrats to organize a new coalition and believe in the power of hope and change.

When Mitt Romney lost in 2012, the RNC conducted an “autopsy” that concluded that the party needed to be more “inclusive” and moderate its policy immigration. Four years later, Donald Trump rode down the golden elevator, recast the GOP and won the presidency.

The excesses of Trumpism, his cruelty and incompetence, may well be enough to usher in another Democratic wave. But we cannot count on Trump to do our work.

Democrats must embrace bold, creative thinking both on policy and tactics. We also need a new generation of leaders and candidates who can harness the energy that a new winning coalition often creates. Anyone who tells you what it will look like or who will lead it is simply guessing. We need to keep an open mind and remain engaged.

Trumpism poses a unique challenge that we have not faced in modern times. He has promised vengeance. He has threatened to use the Department of Justice to investigate his political opponents. We need to expect that organizing a political opposition will face new challenges.

We must fiercely guard and strengthen the democratic institutions necessary to allow future leaders to step forward, win and govern. This means strengthening civil society and promoting new forms of communications and media. New creators can reinvent the media landscape in unforeseen ways. We must embrace those doing this vital work.

Most importantly, we must jealously defend the right to vote in the public square and courthouse. Voting rights and civil rights groups need the resources to do their part, but the political actors must step up as well. The last election cycle saw a steep increase in election-related lawsuits filed by the RNC. Democrats need to reevaluate their priorities and match this going forward.

There is no guarantee that this will work. There may not be another generational candidate waiting in the wings. Trumpism may so damage our democracy that defeating it will take longer. But we must try.

Now is not the time to disengage. We cannot let cynicism and disillusion add to our burden. We need to lean into this fight and demand our leaders and fellow citizens do the same. We must fight for the future of our country, and we must have confidence that when we fight, we win.

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The way forward from Marc Elias (Original Post) MadameButterfly Thursday OP
I'm afraid that Democrats gab13by13 Thursday #1
The Orange King... Wuddles440 Thursday #3
This is clearly what he plans MadameButterfly Thursday #15
Strikes me that we're watching a coup happen right before our eyes. Not bloody, just a allegorical oracle Thursday #20
Anyone high profile who has opposed Trump MadameButterfly Thursday #14
Post removed Post removed Thursday #2
This is seriously misdirected Sympthsical Thursday #4
In the end his opinion on what Biden should have done MadameButterfly Thursday #6
Misguided anger here MagickMuffin Thursday #11
hey marc, how about dont roll over? dig into the numbers, man. mopinko Thursday #5
Proving suppressed votes never MadameButterfly Thursday #7
didnt suggest it wd. but mopinko Thursday #8
I have been wanating every kind of investigation MadameButterfly Thursday #9
yup. nothing new here. mopinko Thursday #10
I don't think iit matters in the least what "mandate" they think they have or not. TheKentuckian Thursday #19
Sorry, Marc. I and my husband are completely disengaging for the next 4 years. Good luck to you and the other beaglelover Thursday #12
Marc Elias is not a pundit, he's a lawyer MadameButterfly Thursday #13
He is one I hope will be our guardrails in the next few years Maeve Thursday #16
I admire Marc and became a subscribing member. BlueKota Thursday #17
We will have to fight for those elections but you have to consider MadameButterfly Thursday #18

gab13by13

(25,224 posts)
1. I'm afraid that Democrats
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:31 AM
Thursday

are going to need an Alexi Navalny to run. What will our country be like in 4 years?

Wuddles440

(1,404 posts)
3. The Orange King...
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:52 AM
Thursday

has proclaimed to his cultist that "they'll never have to vote again". Believe him as he's planning on staying until Lucifer finally calls him home, and then having his demonic spawn succeed him in ruling Tumpistan (formally known as the USA).

allegorical oracle

(3,055 posts)
20. Strikes me that we're watching a coup happen right before our eyes. Not bloody, just a
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:50 PM
Thursday

piece-by-piece dismantling of the gov't. Perhaps everyone who can, should fill up the mall on inauguration day and when he takes the podium, everyone turns their back on him. A peaceful rejection that signals we're not going to stand for it.

MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
14. Anyone high profile who has opposed Trump
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:51 PM
Thursday

has to be assessing their risk and what to do about it. Some will leave the country. Some will stay and fight. This will take courage. This is a "These are the times that try men's souls" moment.

I want Marc Elias and many more lawyers in the trenches making it as hard as possible to prosecute or punish opponents, or for Trump to ignore the law.

Response to MadameButterfly (Original post)

Sympthsical

(10,223 posts)
4. This is seriously misdirected
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 08:57 AM
Thursday

Marc Elias is not merely a pundit. He has worked tirelessly to secure elections and protect voting rights via litigation. The man has been working nonstop, on the ground, in the courts over the past four years doing a lot more than most to combat Trumpism and anti-democracy movements.

You may not like what he said, but he is just about one of the last Democrats on earth anyone can credibly accuse of having done nothing.

MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
6. In the end his opinion on what Biden should have done
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:21 AM
Thursday

is neither here nor there. We can disagree on that point but unite on the solution.

Marc Elias is equipped to use every legal angle to stop Trump's illegal behavior, and that must be attempted before we resort to anything darker.

He can also be one of the leaders of the resistance.

If he expresses frustration on how he thinks we came to this place, because he'd rather not be risking his life on a David and Goliath mission, well, he's only human. Let it go,

MagickMuffin

(17,133 posts)
11. Misguided anger here
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 11:28 AM
Thursday

Last edited Thu Nov 14, 2024, 12:08 PM - Edit history (1)


Since the post was deleted, I had pulled a question being asked

what did you do to put the orange criminal in prison? Matt Gaetz? Mark Meadows? literally anyone...



How did you expect Mr Elias put anyone in prison? He is not in the government. How can an ordinary citizen do that?


Perhaps you are confusing Marc Elias with Merrick Garland the AG







mopinko

(71,798 posts)
5. hey marc, how about dont roll over? dig into the numbers, man.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:07 AM
Thursday

he is the 1 person who cd dig into these results, and either prove they’re wrong, or put a # on how many votes were suppressed.
this was not a free and fair election, even if no votes were hacked.

MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
7. Proving suppressed votes never
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:27 AM
Thursday

overturned an election result.

maybe it should, but we don't have laws in place for that. Voting rights have been going the other way.

If we ever reclaim our democracy, perhaps we need to figure out how to level the playing field so that RW tactics don't regulary skew the election results a few points in their direction and get away with it. It turns out democracy can't survive that, or the EC, gerrymandering, or disinformation, etc.

These changes might be possible if the conflict ahead of us is big enough to dramatically change the balance of power, discredit the right, maybe re-write parts of the constitution. And if we come out of it on top.

mopinko

(71,798 posts)
8. didnt suggest it wd. but
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:32 AM
Thursday

imho, it cd b used in evidence when such laws r made/challenged in court.
and it wd make me, personally, feel better.

it undercuts their ‘mandate’. in a sane world, it stays the hands of the rw’ers who think the country is behind them.

MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
9. I have been wanating every kind of investigation
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:34 AM
Thursday

especially of the machines. There shouldn't be such a high standard for a recount. Yes, I'd like to prove that Kamala didn't really lose and there is no mandate. I've just seen more compelling elections where any accountability failed.

mopinko

(71,798 posts)
10. yup. nothing new here.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 10:35 AM
Thursday

all the more reason. but if this shit didnt work, they wouldnt have put sooooo much energy into it.
long lines r not acceptable.

beaglelover

(4,051 posts)
12. Sorry, Marc. I and my husband are completely disengaging for the next 4 years. Good luck to you and the other
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 11:30 AM
Thursday

political punditry.

MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
13. Marc Elias is not a pundit, he's a lawyer
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 06:43 PM
Thursday

very active in protecting our elections. If there's an election in 4 years to bring you out of disengagement it will be in large part thanks to him.

We each have to deal with this in our own way, and I'm not suggesting listening to Trump and pundits every day is good for any of us.
But understand who he is and what he is doing is is happening mostly in the courtroom. He does get interviewed on TV sometimes for his expertise, but it's not mainly how he spends his time.

BlueKota

(3,643 posts)
17. I admire Marc and became a subscribing member.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:20 PM
Thursday

I wish I wasnt so scared that we aren't going to have elections again, but so far most of the leaders and prominent members of our party think we will. I still go back to tsf saying to his cult they wouldn't have to vote anymore though so I hope that's not the only plan our side is working on.

MadameButterfly

(1,690 posts)
18. We will have to fight for those elections but you have to consider
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:28 PM
Thursday

that Trump is in decline and a lot of Trump voters don't know what they voted for. He might not get what he wants. Or he might die. The cult might not hop on board with the next guy.

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