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Demovictory9

(33,759 posts)
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:32 PM Nov 13

What's your opinion as to the number one issue that caused Trump/GOP to win

Not what voters told exit survey but what was truly in their sneaky hearts? From what you are hearing , reading postb election.

If you had to pick only one


176 votes, 17 passes | Time left: Time expired
Economy/inflation
70 (40%)
Abortion
0 (0%)
Immigration
9 (5%)
Personality/Trump's brashness/ dislike for Harris
4 (2%)
Environment/climate
0 (0%)
Crime
0 (0%)
Democracy/fear this is last election if their side doesn't win
0 (0%)
Trans/gender issues
1 (1%)
Race (separate from immigration)
4 (2%)
Sexism/misogyny
88 (50%)
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What's your opinion as to the number one issue that caused Trump/GOP to win (Original Post) Demovictory9 Nov 13 OP
None of the above gab13by13 Nov 13 #1
Then what? Demovictory9 Nov 13 #2
The war on reality lame54 Nov 13 #12
Yeah... In a word: LIES (albeit racism/misogyny were entertwined) hlthe2b Nov 13 #15
Lies would have been my choice here too.! GreenWave Nov 13 #18
Nonstop social media disinformation Zambero Nov 13 #52
Stupid American people. PhilosopherKing Nov 13 #57
Apathy and exhaustion Demanchor Nov 13 #60
All of the above - expanded northoftheborder Nov 14 #65
Saturation of right-wing propaganda ibegurpard Nov 13 #3
Regarding what issue? All equally or one in particular Demovictory9 Nov 13 #4
You don't watch the newz or read the incessant threads about media distortions? live love laugh Nov 13 #38
I do..yes Demovictory9 Nov 13 #43
You expect someone to pick through or rank the flood of live love laugh Nov 13 #48
I agree awesomerwb1 Nov 13 #11
Stupidity Dan Nov 13 #5
It would be interesting DeepWinter Nov 13 #6
There isn't a single issue that caused Trump to win Fiendish Thingy Nov 13 #7
self loathing The Wizard Nov 13 #8
Stupidity Macrophylla Nov 13 #9
white supremacy WhiskeyGrinder Nov 13 #10
Agreed. I am seeing so many people celebrating the coming deportations Demovictory9 Nov 13 #13
The RW and shadowy billionaires have been working to get to this point for decades. Crunchy Frog Nov 13 #14
The real reason is'nt on there Nigrum Cattus Nov 13 #16
Democrats over confidence, shades of 2016. republianmushroom Nov 13 #17
yep DeepWinter Nov 13 #23
you need to include the media Native Nov 13 #19
That's my #1 reason mvd Nov 13 #21
Fear of immigrants, women, non-whites, gun registration, homosexuals, people who are educated, Ping Tung Nov 13 #20
Which is the Republicans propaganda machine oldmanlynn Nov 13 #26
Exactly. They bamboozled the citizenry into believing that a "Strong Leader" would save them. Ping Tung Nov 13 #33
The propaganda machine. BlueTsunami2018 Nov 13 #22
Another reason that may be overlooked Maeve Nov 13 #24
Interesting point Demovictory9 Nov 13 #34
You don't have misinformation or disinformation in your pool oldmanlynn Nov 13 #25
I didnt think of that. Demovictory9 Nov 13 #35
Stupidity. n/t flvegan Nov 13 #27
Maybe need a Democratic Voter Turnout option n/t leftstreet Nov 13 #28
Cost of housing, mortgage rates, inflation PLUS all the others. OrlandoDem2 Nov 13 #29
Stupidity LW1977 Nov 13 #30
The stupidity, low character, and narcissism of too many Americans. TheKentuckian Nov 13 #31
Amen brother. In a healthy electorate, he never would have been on the ticket in the first place. meadowlander Nov 14 #67
Super fair! TheKentuckian Nov 14 #68
Too many American voters are ignorant, arrogant... 3catwoman3 Nov 13 #32
Lol..yeah there is that Demovictory9 Nov 13 #36
What's your opinion as to the number one issue that caused Trump/GOP to win ironman99 Nov 13 #37
None of these topics mattered by themselve drray23 Nov 13 #39
Agreed. RW are experts at spreading propaganda. We got 2 years to counter Demovictory9 Nov 13 #41
Without an audit, we will never know what effect voter suppression in all its forms had on the tallies, and then.... usaf-vet Nov 13 #40
The answer ForgedCrank Nov 13 #42
'Misinformation' would have been my choice. nt City Lights Nov 13 #44
Ignorance. Which is a huge umbrella. Solly Mack Nov 13 #45
Need one more option Polybius Nov 13 #46
Option: bad campaign choices by Dems Demovictory9 Nov 13 #47
The four-year, 24 hour a day, 7 day a week campaign for Trump waged by the mainstream media. lees1975 Nov 13 #49
💯💯💯💯💯💯♾️ live love laugh Nov 13 #50
Its incredible how much attention he gets Demovictory9 Nov 14 #62
You left out religion. Mariana Nov 13 #51
Y'all are forgetting about the Israel-Palestine conflict ecstatic Nov 13 #53
OTHER: An utter tsunami of disinformation that we couldn't overcome... Blue_Tires Nov 13 #54
Not convinced of the "win." rzemanfl Nov 13 #55
Sexism and racism kept people from seeing VD Chance and the Felon could **NOT** fix number one with their dumb ass ... uponit7771 Nov 13 #56
I'll go with Theproletariat Nov 13 #58
Media apcalc Nov 13 #59
cheating gopiscrap Nov 13 #61
I didn't see propaganda on that list Sugarcoated Nov 14 #63
In hindsight..i would write different poll options Demovictory9 Nov 14 #66
Biden stepping down nuxvomica Nov 14 #64
Two things - immigration and transgender ads JanMichael Nov 14 #69
Yep Demovictory9 Nov 14 #71
So many Meowmee Nov 14 #70
Delusional Hatred & Machiavellian Malevolence Are THE Primary Reasons... MayReasonRule Yesterday #72

Zambero

(9,764 posts)
52. Nonstop social media disinformation
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:57 PM
Nov 13

The #1 reason, over and above all the others. The RW media machine is a monster of lies and distortion.

northoftheborder

(7,608 posts)
65. All of the above - expanded
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 09:17 AM
Nov 14

Major causes: Ignorance, apathy, laziness, plus racism and misogyny, plus religious cultism. America is not basically what I’ve thought it was my whole life. This election is like a punch to the gut rearranging my sense of what Is the essence of the USA. Those negative elements have always been here, but they have metastasized and sprung forth as a major force to destroy everything. And I don’t see how it’s going to change back. The orange villain is just the facilitator.

awesomerwb1

(4,567 posts)
11. I agree
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:41 PM
Nov 13

If you hear the same lies over and over and over x 1000 they can get you to believe anything.

Right wing media dominates. Fox 'news", Newsmax, OANN, EWTN (yes, the catholic channel), Twitter, 4-8chan, and a billion AM/FM radio stations.

DeepWinter

(474 posts)
6. It would be interesting
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:36 PM
Nov 13

to see a poll with those exact same choices, but "what was the number one issue that DID NOT cause Trump/GOP to win.

I suspect it's the same thing for half of DU.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,529 posts)
7. There isn't a single issue that caused Trump to win
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:37 PM
Nov 13

For some it was surely misogyny or racism, for others, they bought into the propaganda/media failure that the economy sucked. Not sure what purpose it serves to seek to oversimplify the reasons Harris lost.

Crunchy Frog

(26,978 posts)
14. The RW and shadowy billionaires have been working to get to this point for decades.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 01:50 PM
Nov 13

With well funded think tanks, cultivating religious wackos, brainwashing people with propaganda radio and TV. This is about the interests of the extremely wealthy, and their use any issue they can find to whip up ordinary rubes to vote against their own interests.

The issue is wealth and power for the wealthiest and most powerful.

Nigrum Cattus

(106 posts)
16. The real reason is'nt on there
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:09 PM
Nov 13

The reason he "won" is religious fanaticism. The right wing religious extremists
think the bible myths somehow predict and require his being in the white house.
The unraveling of Roe is what codified this.

DeepWinter

(474 posts)
23. yep
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:44 PM
Nov 13

And we heard it over and over and over again, 2024 is not 2016. That won't happen again. It's totally different. Apples and oranges. Blue wave.

We love to repeat history because we refuse to admit to patterns.

Ping Tung

(1,294 posts)
20. Fear of immigrants, women, non-whites, gun registration, homosexuals, people who are educated,
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:23 PM
Nov 13

and many more.

"Home of the brave...." my ass.

Ping Tung

(1,294 posts)
33. Exactly. They bamboozled the citizenry into believing that a "Strong Leader" would save them.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:21 PM
Nov 13

It worked in 20s Italy, 30s Germany, 70's Chile, and many more. Erect Bogeymen and the people will beg for a REAL Man to wield his sword to chase them away.

BlueTsunami2018

(4,006 posts)
22. The propaganda machine.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:42 PM
Nov 13

That’s what warped all the issues above into something they aren’t. And there’s no way to fight it. You can’t stop people from selecting the news they want to hear and that shit is ubiquitous.

Maeve

(42,960 posts)
24. Another reason that may be overlooked
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 02:48 PM
Nov 13

Brexit style voting. A lot of people thought they were "safe" doing a protest vote for Brexit because they thought they would lose, but wanted to make it close. They f*ed up.
Likewise, people voted for tsf thinking Kamala would win, but wanted to make it close. They are about to enter the FO stage.

oldmanlynn

(399 posts)
25. You don't have misinformation or disinformation in your pool
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:06 PM
Nov 13

That just tells me again that Democrats us seem to not be recognizing the massive amount of propaganda that Republicans, the right wing push, and all of these people who voted for Trump all see the world differently because of that misinformation. We have to correct that problem we could give out million dollars to everybody in United States, but if the Republicans are pushing propaganda that that million dollars will kill them then they won’t take it. Misinformation disinformation that is the number one reason why we lost this election.

meadowlander

(4,731 posts)
67. Amen brother. In a healthy electorate, he never would have been on the ticket in the first place.
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 04:05 PM
Nov 14

To your list, I would only add greed and, in some cases, repressed sadism.

ironman99

(128 posts)
37. What's your opinion as to the number one issue that caused Trump/GOP to win
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:35 PM
Nov 13

The F***in media.

They gave tRUMP unpaided free advertising.

Refused to acknowledge Biden/Harris accomplishments.

Ignored the birder flu that wiped out entire flocks of chickens that raised the price of eggs and chicken.

Waited until 6 weeks before the election to talk about how well the economy was doing under Biden/Harris.

drray23

(7,964 posts)
39. None of these topics mattered by themselve
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:38 PM
Nov 13

What drove this loss is targeted disinformation that the right wing is very good at. They flooded the social media of young and disaffected folks with a barrage of lies.
We instead relied on facts and policies. That does not work. Until we dismantle the rw propaganda machine or build one of our own to counter it we will never win the presidential elections again and likely stay in the minority in congress.

usaf-vet

(6,919 posts)
40. Without an audit, we will never know what effect voter suppression in all its forms had on the tallies, and then....
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:44 PM
Nov 13

.... of course, intervention by any and all means possible direct by the GOP or at least ignored by the GOP as long as they win.

The standard state of politics since 2000.

If the GOP wins, it will be a "perfect" election. The Democrats will grumble a little and then move ahead without looking back. It seems that has been our designated role in politics since 2000.

If the Democrats win, the GOP first relies on all of the pre-election warnings that the rumors and lies were true. The election IS GOING to be stolen, we told you, and the MSM repeats the rumors and lies. When that doesn't go their way, they turn to the courts. And even when they lose 60 times in the courts. They continue the lies and have persuaded enough cult followers to believe them, so the cycle continues until the next election.

Then, who wins dictates the start of the next cycle.

Without an audit, we will never know what effect voter suppression in all its forms had on the tallies, and then, of course...

ForgedCrank

(2,198 posts)
42. The answer
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 04:42 PM
Nov 13

was there all along if we listen to people.
It was always the economy, followed closely by immigration.

lees1975

(5,962 posts)
49. The four-year, 24 hour a day, 7 day a week campaign for Trump waged by the mainstream media.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:50 PM
Nov 13

No one wants to talk about the fact that he's received more news coverage than anyone ever has in American history.

Mariana

(15,120 posts)
51. You left out religion.
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:54 PM
Nov 13

He got most of the Christians' votes. 63% of Protestants voted for Trump, and 58% of Catholics.

ecstatic

(34,376 posts)
53. Y'all are forgetting about the Israel-Palestine conflict
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:58 PM
Nov 13
13% of 2020 Swing State Biden Voters Won't Be in 2024 Because of Gaza: Polls
The figure comes as part of a new set of polls that show former President Donald Trump narrowly leading Biden in 5 out of 6 crucial battleground states.
Olivia Rosane

May 13, 2024

Approximately 13% of poll respondents in six swing states who voted for U.S. President Joe Biden in 2020 but would not vote for him again said that his foreign policy or Israel's war on Gaza were the most important issues determining their vote.

The figure comes as part of a new set of polls released Monday from The New York Times, Siena College, and The Philadelphia Inquirer that show former President Donald Trump narrowly leading Biden in 5 out of 6 crucial battleground states.

"We have warned that this would happen for months, and the Democratic Party didn't give a damn," author and organizer Daniel Denvir wrote on social media in response to the news.

Read: https://www.commondreams.org/news/13-ex-biden-voters-gaza


bibi intentionally ramped up the slaughter as our election neared. I referred to it as election interference. He literally was trying to trigger a world war. As sickened as I was by the situation, I was hoping that voters would be willing to secure the country from trump, protect our rights and then ramp up the pressure on the Biden administration, but I guess short sighted individuals chose a different route that will help literally nobody.

Even if you factor for the usual sexism, racism, etc, if those 10 million or so voters had taken part in the election, we'd be victorious right now. In my opinion.

Blue_Tires

(55,839 posts)
54. OTHER: An utter tsunami of disinformation that we couldn't overcome...
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 05:59 PM
Nov 13

Pretty much every issue in your poll can be directly linked to this...

What really pisses me off is there were tons of news stories this year and last year about Moscow's plans to flood social media with trolls and bots to sway the election and people still fell for it.

uponit7771

(91,763 posts)
56. Sexism and racism kept people from seeing VD Chance and the Felon could **NOT** fix number one with their dumb ass ...
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 06:03 PM
Nov 13

... non existent policies.

Benedict Donald is ***NOT*** going to improve real wages, all of his policies are going to make it worse

 

Theproletariat

(42 posts)
58. I'll go with
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 06:10 PM
Nov 13

Disgust with the establishment on both sides. They are beholden to the same entities at the end of the day. People are tired of the bread and circus bullshit from the establishment and wanted something else again.

apcalc

(4,518 posts)
59. Media
Wed Nov 13, 2024, 06:30 PM
Nov 13

Effed us over again… not reporting Trump’s dementia, not reporting kamala’s economic and working class plans, allowing corporations to eff us over with inflated prices

nuxvomica

(12,883 posts)
64. Biden stepping down
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:36 AM
Nov 14

Presidential elections are referendums on the incumbent's performance. The people who pushed for Biden to step down should have been out there hyping his achievements, not criticizing his debate performance. It signaled a lack of confidence from which the campaign never recovered.

JanMichael

(25,238 posts)
69. Two things - immigration and transgender ads
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 05:50 PM
Nov 14

That's all they had on TV here in North Carolina. Basically brown people are criminals and transgender women are going to get you.

Meowmee

(5,525 posts)
70. So many
Thu Nov 14, 2024, 07:36 PM
Nov 14

Economy
Immigration
Misogyny/ racism big one imo
Effect of 10/7- some Jewish voters lost
Michagan Arab voters nv, psycho vote, green vote etc.
cheating will never know exactly what happened and if it had an effect on the actual outcome because no one’s really investigating it.

I read on X that someone got over 100,000 Amish voters registered to vote in Pennsylvania, who all voted for a psycho. I’m not sure if it’s true or not.

Also Ukraine war of course, oil heating prices are still twice what they were here, and price gouging starting in pandemic.

MayReasonRule

(1,820 posts)
72. Delusional Hatred & Machiavellian Malevolence Are THE Primary Reasons...
Fri Nov 22, 2024, 06:03 PM
Yesterday

Never underestimate the power of stupid and evil...

The Machiavellian have been leading the Darwin Award Winners down the Proverbial Primrose Path ever since humanity's existence.

This is it on the most powerful steroids imaginable multiplied by being the only 'Super Power' on the planet in the midst of Russia, China, and North Korea aligning...

Worst movie ever!!

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