PLEASE STOP the BlueAnon/Starlink conspiracy spreading

[HelpImSurrounded]

OFFICIAL tabulations never touched the internet.

C'mon people, I thought this was the party of intelligence and critical thinking.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/nov/12/threads-posts/no-elon-musks-starlink-wasnt-used-to-rig-the-2024/?fbclid=IwY2xjawGhmWpleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHUMGUizcDemnORw98dMpcCp1J_QMqUkLLdQuo20ZNP1qaiS2rpY7zqJiuw_aem__mw_A7Zo2Pu1TqRHovimBw

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-election-starlink-musk-steal-trump-38757341656d4f44243076d6356cb68b

[Tommy Carcetti]

1. Okay, but in that same light, please don't use the "BlueAnon" label around here.

It was created by Trumpists who wanted to belittle serious matters such as Trump's documented ties to and collusion with Russia as being akin to QAnon quackery.

Thank you in advance.

[Abnredleg]

2. BlueAnon is a good name for election deniers

Same reasoning and thought process as the deniers. The same arguments, actually.

[gab13by13]

5. Comparing legitimate questions about the election with QAnon

is insulting.

[HelpImSurrounded]

7. If it had been posed as a legitimate question I might agree

Instead of it was just techno-illiterate-conspiracy mongering

[Tommy Carcetti]

11. Then just call it a conspiracy theory. nt

[EndlessWire]

41. It's a legitimate question.

Who are you to declare those that ask it are techno illiterate conspiracy mongers? Just because YOU can't imagine it, doesn't mean it wasn't possible. Nobody wins the House, the Senate, the Presidency and the popular vote without extra help. That really panders to his ego, doesn't it?

YOU may seek to shut the inquiries down, but most people prefer to know the truth. We have to beat him out when he next holds his sham election. We have to know for the Midterms. I prefer to have professionals examining this problem, but if no one will ask this question, then we will.

[DiamondShark]

45. What questions do you have?

I used to work at our county elections office in the IT department. In the summer of 2016 we hardened our network against a Russian cyberattack. In 2018 we installed new voting machines. In 2020 new laptops for check in, and went to mail in voting. I left prior to 2022 election for a better IT position. I will not answer questions that would confirm my identity, or compromise the security of our county and election department.

Election night 2024 I was a bit surprised Trump was climbing ahead of Harris in the vote count. But I looked at my phone around 8PM and saw the missed calls and text messages on my Google Voice attached spam number. The messages were from Trump promoting Super PACs. I looked back through the history and found multiple messages per day going back to April 2024. Most were in the spam folder, but I realized at that moment why we were losing. I scrolled through the messages for the next couple of hours. I don't recall seeing many messages promoting Harris.

Trump used social media, direct messages, and push polls to get his message out. I think Trump promoting Super PACs were responsible for the results. I don't know how soon the Super PACs have to declare their spending. I think we will find out Trump affiliates out spent Harris 5 to 1.

[travelingthrulife]

53. seriously? Americans are that easily led?

So you got spammed by Trump therefore that is why we lost. I got the same from Democrats.

[DiamondShark]

56. Yes, Americans are that easily led. The election results speak for themselves.

Recheck those messages, and see what Super PAC they came from.

[Tommy Carcetti]

10. You can just call it a baseless conspiracy theory and leave it at that.

No need to give into the language of the Trumpists for any reason.

[DiamondShark]

47. see post 45.

techno-illiterate-conspiracy mongering

Is a clear no excuse description.

[Tommy Carcetti]

14. No, it's not. nt

[chia]

3. I've only ever seen "BlueAnon" used by the right as a pejorative, usually to deflect from QAnon

[orangecrush]

20. He only has 502 posts

So we probably shouldn't expect him to know that yet.

[HelpImSurrounded]

26. Yep and nonsense like this doesn't encourage me to engage at a higher rate. I can get this by walking out my front door

[DiamondShark]

48. Sometimes taking a walk outside is a good form of exercise.

In light of the results, we need as much time away from bad news and toxic social media.

[Hope22]

4. Don't worry about micromanaging here.

History shows us that it takes at least three years for the truth to come out. If it doesn’t this time it will have been an intervention of god, either way! 😉

[The Grand Illuminist]

42. Or by civilians

Sooner the better by every and all means.

[Hope22]

44. Certainly civilians. 👍

Tongue in cheek does not read well out here! Sorry!

[Bobstandard]

6. This bs will come in handy...

…when the MAGats turn on Trump. They are so irrational that they’ll need something to explain how he got in a position to screw everything up so badly. A crackpot conspiracy theory is just the ticket.

[SWBTATTReg]

51. Some of them are already turning on each other, so I'm just waiting for the 'icing on the cake', to see them get into

full blown fights over literally everything. It'll just tell all of us that the republicans aren't exactly the party of getting things done either...I never thought that they could get anything done, and now, we're going to see it in full living color!

[Bobstandard]

57. Surrender in advance?

The bots are loving this

[Basso8vb]

8. Until we can see the "proprietary" source code this will never go away.

[HelpImSurrounded]

23. As much as I'd love to relitigate 2004 Ohio...

We aren't going to see proprietary source code. I am a firm believer that voting machines should use open source so it can be hammered by every hacker out there before it gets used.

But paper trails are the only way to audit these systems so as long as paperless systems exist, we have a problem.

[Basso8vb]

37. We have NO IDEA what the operating system is doing with the data.

And neither do you.

NONE of us will until we can see the source code LINE BY LINE.

[DiamondShark]

49. One way to get the information you request...

Is going to work for one of the voting machine companies, signing the NDA, then auditing the code.

Outside of that, lookup my friend who gave a talk at the Voting Village Defcon Conference.

[Think. Again.]

9. As a counterpoint...

I'd like to suggest we DO continue to question anything that trump does that seems questionable, and that we DO continue to hold our election security (and anything else) to the highest of standards, such as insisting that proper audits are completed and publicized, and supporting any attempts to verify the legitimacy of any actions going forward.

We should NOT just take the word of anyone on important matters, we should NOT allow ourselves to be intimidated as soon as anyone throws out the phrase "conspiracy theory!", and we should NOT simply pre-obey.

[obamanut2012]

12. Nah

[Progressive dog]

13. BUT you can't prove that

Elon Musk doesn't need an internet. (sarcasm)
Thank you

[Texasgal]

15. Why can't we talk about it?

And who makes you the arbitrator what can be discussed here?

[HelpImSurrounded]

24. BY all means keep it up

Ignore experts and meaningful sources. You'll sound just like them.

[SoCalDavidS]

35. "You'll Sound Just Like Them"

GOOD!!

It HELPED, not hurt them in this election.

The American people don't seem to mind complainers. Perhaps that's a better idea than quitting.

[tenderfoot]

30. It's gaslighting

plain and simple

[tritsofme]

33. How dare people interrupt my goofy conspiracy theories with reality! lol

[tenderfoot]

36. People can think what they want

Have a nice day

[tritsofme]

16. If you take away misinformation and conspiracy theories, there's nothing left for the election deniers to talk about.

[JCMach1]

17. 100% NO... DU started as a response to a questionable

Election.

Maybe some pearl clutchers should take a few minutes and weigh evidence as it comes in.

It goes against everything DU was founded on to not tightly question what are some very bizarre election results.

[HelpImSurrounded]

25. IF there were EVIDENCE TO WEIGH... then maybe. But there isn't any.

[JCMach1]

29. We don't know that. It's way too soon. I know what I think happened

But I am very much waiting to hear if there is anything else.

We absolutely should not be in the business of silencing skeptics and regardless of what I think at the moment I will absolutely defend their right to openly question on this forum.

The people saying sit down and shut up are way out of line here.

[Blue Owl]

18. It is not unreasonable to be suspicious about a CONVICTED FELON's methods and intent

Especially when one of his chief underlings owns a technology such as Starlink that is capable of many functions in the digital realm -- I have ZERO problems with an investigation. This isn't baseless or founded in fantasy -- it's a strong likelihood that needs to be factually and scientifically disproven before it can be completely dismissed.

Just supposing there was interference that hasn't been caught or detected yet. Prematurely conceding or rolling over could then set the precedence for the next however many elections until there are no more -- and that could be sooner than anyone thinks.

I don't trust Donald tRump one iota. I think his previous and present behavior and body language is telling that he tried cheating before and this time he cheated again and it worked.

[HelpImSurrounded]

28. Sure, if your suspicions are reasonable

and for about 15 minutes they were reasonable. A quick check would confirm that they aren't.

[orangecrush]

19. Congratulations on 502 posts.

[AkFemDem]

54. Not everyone needs to talk and talk and talk to be valid....

In fact, some of the wiser people I know hold their wisdom and dole it out sparingly.

[Irish_Dem]

27. PLEASE STOP using all caps and telling people what to think and feel.

[Blue Full Moon]

31. What they are doing is a chilling effect.

They say do ludicrous things and then when they actually do it you aren't allowed to talk about it.

[PortTack]

32. Absolutely! It's not helpful to our cause. We must move right away if we want to at least take back the hse in '28

[JCMach1]

34. DU has a long, long history of questioning and mulling over election integrity

Evidence.

People need to put on their big boy and big girl pants and realize they are on Democratic Underground and not DNC Chat

[SoCalDavidS]

38. It Sure Did Help THEIR Cause

This country apparently doesn't mind sore losers. They rewarded the sore losers with every branch of government.

I'd prefer it to just quitting, and letting them rig future elections. Why bother voting if I have no way to confirm my vote counted?

[BlueKota]

39. If I wanted people to tell me

how to feel, how to think, how to act, and what to say, I'd go back to the Catholic Church and vote Republican. Speaking for myself been there, done that, & never going back.

Offering a rebuttal to another's point of view is one thing, telling them what they should and shouldn't say or post is another. The later is called attempted censorship, just what autocracies thrive on.

[Heck]

40. Links and Summary for Election Suspicions

Summary of evidence and concerns:
Trump is a Russian asset working for Putin (see book American Kompromat by journalist Craig Unger or Active Measures documentary with Hillary Clinton(1), sources below). Elon and Trump are working together (2). They both have substantial ties to Epstein (3) (4) (5) (6). Trump stole election software in 2020 (7). Similarly, Elon Musk has been in contact with Russia for the last 2 years (8). This includes during the Ukraine War when Russia began using Starlink (9) while it was claimed they got them third party and not from Musk himself; however now appears imo to show Elon is a doublecrosser.


Starlink, Elon's satellite company, was installed in some voting machines across the country (10) and may have interfered with vote tabulation. Voting machines were found to be connected to the internet (11). An independent report on voting machines concluded that tabulation tampering was possible with current voting machines, so hand counts are vital (12). In September, Politico had an investigation finding Russian malware on a state voter registration database (13). Also, there were malicious fake texts from fake DNC organizations, connected to Elon who donated to them, that were fishing voter info (14).

Elon had results of election on an app 4 hours before official counts had it (15), per Joe Rogan podcast in a discussion to Theo Von. Earlier this year, Tana Monogeau, released info that she'd been offered millions of dollars to endorse the Trump campaign and that she knew others had taken the deal (16).

They will release more info admitting their fraud because they are a Russian asset trying to start a civil war here (speculation). They want us to be confused about sources and who to trust and what's real, they want to release the truth to anger us and lies to anger us. Trump has refused to write an ethics statement for transition of power saying he will transition peacefully (17). JD Vance has also told the EU that unless they allow X unfettered access to the EU (to spread propaganda), they will withdraw the US from NATO (18) - which will prompt wars or takeover either way and weakens Germany, who is entering an election since their government couldn't agree on Ukraine budget. A Russian space chief said Elon Musk’s plan to bomb Mars is a cover to put nuclear weapons in space (19).

Also speculation, are reports of widespread ballot rejection, especially for signatures. There are articles claiming already that it is because GenZ does not know cursive (20) - except the signature simply must match your driver's license. It's not a cursive writing test. Avocado toast but with gen z voting fraud. We do not yet have the ballot rejection rates but typically they are around 1% to 1.5% (21).

Crypto is how right wing conservatism got funded here. It's why it took off- it was basically UBI for those men, funded by foreign intelligence for this purpose along with other uses for crypto like dark money, drugs, trafficking, etc (22)(23). The least informed people we knew were investing in crypto when it was starting, mining bitcoins. They couldn't tell you what a stock or tariff is, yet they were making bank in crypto trading. Crypto trading, especially memecoins, appears to be an obvious scam to most because it's the stock market without ownership. So why were these 4chan pedophiles and nazis doing so well? Because it was just meant to give them money the whole time. And crypto is great for transferring money internationally from shady organizations to shady people (24). Far right catchphrases and meme campaigns dispersed online including X, give out the key words/catchphrases for the new coin that isn't a scam and will disperse money. People who are deep in these groups' internet algorithms get these keywords first and normal outsiders will either not notice or will stay away. No normal person wants a coin that references Hitler if they are just scrolling memecoins.

Once the government has been taken over, they can force their memecoin as the national currency and then rug pull, which is also what Musk is likely going to do to Tesla at the same time. The entire point is to bankrupt America for Putin and his cartoon villain cohorts. Musk is already saying he wants to withdraw from US currency due to national debt (Trump added most of the national debt) (25).

If you're in Germany, take note. They are coming for you next, your election is soon.

News Links

(1)

?si=mwgr4U2c2jleJEBj

(2) https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/elon-musk-weighing-trump-staffing-decisions-sources/story?id=115730434

(3) https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/03/trump-infiltrate-voting-machines-georgia-2020.html

(4) https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/12/business/jeffrey-epstein-interview.html

(5) https://www.businessinsider.com/jeffrey-epsteins-ex-girlfriend-dated-kimbal-musk-brother-of-tesla-founder-elon-musk-2020-1

(6) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fire-and-fury-the-podcast/id1750757108

(7) https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/01/trump-jeffrey-epstein-tapes

(8) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-to-know-about-elon-musks-reported-phone-calls-with-putin-and-why-it-matters

(9) https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-using-thousands-spacex-starlink-terminals-ukraine-wsj-says-2024-02-15/

(10) https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnewsvideo/comments/1gnxqmw/elon_musks_company_starlink_praised_by_tulare/

(11) www.nbcnews.com/news/ncna1112436

(12) https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/inside-georgias-effort-to-secure-voting-machines-as-experts-raise-concerns

(13) https://www.politico.com/news/2024/09/01/us-election-software-national-security-threats-00176615

(14) https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2024/10/pro-trump-dark-money-network-tied-to-elon-musk-behind-fake-pro-harris-campaign-scheme/

(15) https://grabien.com/story.php?id=499986

(16) https://www.buzzfeed.com/natashajokic1/tana-mongeau-paid-political-endorsement

(17) https://apnews.com/article/trump-transition-planning-ca3a6be50d147b04b6498184e5599b1e

(18) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jd-vance-elon-musk-x-twitter-donald-trump-b2614525.html

(19) https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/499968-russian-space-chief-elon-musks-plan-to-bomb-mars-is-a-cover-to-put/

(20) https://www.businessinsider.com/gen-z-voters-struggle-signatures-cast-mail-ballot-problems-2024-11

(21) https://ballotpedia.org/Election_results,_2024:_Analysis_of_rejected_ballots

(22) https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/far-right-extremists-raise-millions-cryptocurrency-bitcoin/

(23) https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/10/opinion/crypto-cryptocurrency-money-conspiracy.html

(24) https://apnews.com/article/cryptocurrency-coronavirus-pandemic-technology-business-europe-f7f754fc2c68b0eb0d712239323f26c3

(25) https://www.forbes.com/sites/digital-assets/2024/11/10/its-unsustainable-tesla-ceo-elon-musk-issues-us-serious-bankruptcy-warning-amid-huge-bitcoin-and-dogecoin-price-surge/

Personal Testimony from the dickbags themselves:

youtube.com/live/HBPNfAUPz08?si=PZQa_D_wbN9VoA6y

In the first minute:

"Your votes are rigged. We can win New Mexico."

"If you can watch your vote counter, if we can bring God down from heaven (he's referencing Starlink), we can win this, win California, win a lot of states."

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/if-trump-loses-im-fcked-elon-musk-in-interview-with-tucker-carlson/articleshow/114024254.cms

“If [Trump] loses, I’m f*cked… How long do you think my prison sentence is going to be?”

Why does Elon think he would go to prison though? For what crime?

Link to tweet

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Elon: "We will coup whoever we want! Deal with it."

?si=5u_mJNte37r4JmUb

Trump:"Our little secret is having a big impact"

If Trump was so sure the election was rigged and they were going to turnover every state including California, then why hasn't he asked for a recount in all the states with representatives that didn't get elected that he thought would be? Shouldn't he be suing for recounts? He did it last time. Why doesn't he want an investigation this time?

#AssetForfeitureTrumpMusk

If they get locked into years of asset forfeiture from layers and layers of state and municipal claims, we may be able to stop them

Bonus Link:
https://medium.com/@da82ir1jaf/elon-musk-king-of-the-dark-enlightenment-9270332c67af

[Bonx]

43. I seen them lights moving all in a row in the night sky, stealing votes as they go

[Dem4life1234]

46. You don't need to tell people what to do on a message board

[LetMyPeopleVote]

50. FACT FOCUS: Election officials knock down Starlink vote rigging conspiracy theories

I have been active in voter protection since 2004. I have been an election judge on several occasions and have been a poll watcher for the central counting tabulation room. The voter check in systems are hooked to the internet to check voter registrations and to code the paper ballots as to what elections are to be voted on by that voter. The machines where the voter make their selections and mark the paper ballots and the machines that tabulate these votes are not connected to the internet. As an election judge, we had to put up all of the machines other than the machine that tabulates the vote. Those machines were hand transported to either a designated drop off place or to the central election office where the machines were given to the machines that further complied the vote. There was a paper trail when we drop off the machines at either location.

I agree with these election experts

Link to tweet

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-election-starlink-musk-steal-trump-38757341656d4f44243076d6356cb68b

Here’s a closer look at the facts.

CLAIM: Billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk used his internet provider Starlink to steal the 2024 election for President-elect Donald Trump.

THE FACTS: These claims are unfounded. Election officials, including from multiple swing states, told The Associated Press that their voting equipment doesn’t use Starlink and is not even connected to the internet. States have additional security measures to ensure that the count is accurate, according to experts. Election officials and security agencies have reported no significant issues with the 2024 race.

“It is not possible that Starlink was used to hack or change the outcome of the US presidential election,” David Becker, founder and executive director of The Center for Election Innovation and Research, wrote in an email. “This, quite simply, did not happen, and could not happen, thanks to the security measures we have in place, and these conspiracy theories echo other disinformation we’ve heard over the past several years.”

Becker further explained that the country’s nearly 10,000 election jurisdictions use a wide range of voting machines that are not connected to the internet while voting occurs and that nearly all votes are recorded on paper ballots, which are audited by hand to confirm the results of electronic tabulators.

“If anyone tried to interfere with the machines to rig the election, it would be discovered through multiple means, including reconciling the registered voters who cast ballots with the number of votes, as well as the audits,” he added.

[AkFemDem]

52. You're arguing with the democratic version of Q

You can't use logic and reason. It's all emotionally driven.

[krawhitham]

55. WHY? Anger drives turnout

8 million Dem voters did not show up for one reason or another and anger clearly drives turnout. The GQP were pissed for 4 years about an election they claimed was stolen, that anger led them to victory. Maybe we should try the same thing? So stop with the logic and stop with the facts, let this lead up to victory in 4 years.

[Skittles]

58. we have to listen to MAGAts whining about election results for four fucking years

and this is what you're upset about?

[HelpImSurrounded]

59. I think 5-10 years ahead or more

If four years is all you can manage I can see why we have a problem.