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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums'Richard Nixon Would Have Had A Pass': John Dean Stunned By Trump Immunity Ruling
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/richard-nixon-supreme-court-trump-immunity-ruling_n_6682f7d5e4b038babc7c7c39Former President Richard Nixons counsel John Dean said Monday that the Supreme Courts decision that Donald Trump has full immunity for official actions he took as president even his attempted coup likely would have meant that Nixon was immune from his criminal conduct during the Watergate scandal that led to his resignation.
As I looked at it, I realized Richard Nixon would have had a pass, Dean said on a press call with the Defend Democracy Project, a group that advocates for free and fair elections.
Virtually all of his Watergate-related conduct and virtually all that evidence falls in what could easily be described as official conduct, he said.
Dean, who served as counsel to Nixon from July 1970 to April 1973, said he was stunned by the Supreme Courts sweeping 6-3 decision. It concluded that Trump enjoys complete immunity for his coup-attempt-related presidential actions that were official in nature, but not for those that were unofficial. The justices kicked the case back to a U.S. District Court to sort out what counts as official and unofficial behavior by a president.
The Supreme Courts decision means that Trumps federal trial on his Jan. 6, 2021, charges almost certainly wont begin before the November election. If Trump is elected president for a second term, he would have authority to appoint a new attorney general who could dismiss the federal charges, as well the potential power to pardon himself.
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'Richard Nixon Would Have Had A Pass': John Dean Stunned By Trump Immunity Ruling (Original Post)
Nevilledog
Monday
OP
Don't think Nixon was charged with criminal action. Maybe fear had part in his stepping down, but think that was mostly
Silent Type
Monday
#1
He resigned because Republican Senators told him they wouldn't support him when
Jose Garcia
Monday
#2
Agree. But, that has nothing to do with current SC ruling because as I understand it, impeachment
Silent Type
Monday
#3
One of our attorneys here stated today that "high crimes and misdeamnors" are political
Silent Type
Monday
#6
Think of all the evidence that would not have come out, under this ruling
muriel_volestrangler
Tuesday
#8
Silent Type
(4,105 posts)1. Don't think Nixon was charged with criminal action. Maybe fear had part in his stepping down, but think that was mostly
Republicans telling him he had to leave.
None of the outstanding cases were going to start before election, anyway.
Jose Garcia
(2,681 posts)2. He resigned because Republican Senators told him they wouldn't support him when
he was impeached.
Silent Type
(4,105 posts)3. Agree. But, that has nothing to do with current SC ruling because as I understand it, impeachment
is still possible. But who knows?
Irish_Dem
(51,759 posts)4. Impeachment is for high crimes.
There are no crimes if POTUS has immunity?
Silent Type
(4,105 posts)6. One of our attorneys here stated today that "high crimes and misdeamnors" are political
matters, not criminal prosection. Criminal is what the SC ruling applies to. Believe it or not.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,702 posts)8. Think of all the evidence that would not have come out, under this ruling
Roberts opinion further restricted prosecutors by prohibiting them from using any official acts as evidence in trying to prove a presidents unofficial actions violated the law. One example not relevant to this case but which came up in arguments was the hypothetical payment of a bribe in return for an ambassadorial appointment.
Under Mondays decision, a former president could be prosecuted for accepting a bribe, but prosecutors could not mention the official act, the appointment, in their case.
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-trump-capitol-riot-immunity-2dc0d1c2368d404adc0054151490f542
Under Mondays decision, a former president could be prosecuted for accepting a bribe, but prosecutors could not mention the official act, the appointment, in their case.
https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-trump-capitol-riot-immunity-2dc0d1c2368d404adc0054151490f542
From the Roberts' decision: "And the President cannot be prosecuted for conduct within his exclusive constitutional authority. Trump is therefore absolutely immune from prosecution for the alleged conduct involving his discussions with Justice Department officials."
And, of course, it also gives presumptive immunity in an even wider area. So a criminal president and federal officials can merrily destroy any incriminating evidence, and say "you must presume that nothing untoward happened".
UTUSN
(71,194 posts)5. Yip, tapes, enemies list, plumbers everything - not to mention war crimes