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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:47 AM Nov 2023

Chuck Todd: Trump will 'flip' on the abortion issue once he finds a way to do it

Chuck Todd: Trump will ‘flip’ on the abortion issue once he finds a way to do it
“The shift of college educated Republicans away from the Republican Party has really hurt the Republican Party’s ability to do well in low turnout elections,” says NBC News Chief Political Analyst Chuck Todd.

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/chuck-todd-trump-will-flip-on-the-abortion-issue-once-he-finds-a-way-to-do-it-197411397815

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Chuck Todd: Trump will 'flip' on the abortion issue once he finds a way to do it (Original Post) Demovictory9 Nov 2023 OP
I agree. They've probably been focus testing this move for a bit now. Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #1
He's already made some vague remarks in that direction. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #2
Yes and pro lifer groups have noticed. Demovictory9 Nov 2023 #4
The defendant will find a way to do that gratuitous Nov 2023 #3
I think Trump could get away with it. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #6
I don't. Straw Man Nov 2023 #16
"bump stocks mean very little" TwilightZone Nov 2023 #17
Correct. Bump stocks mean very little. Straw Man Nov 2023 #22
His '16 campaign featured abortion as a platform. His 3 appointees voted for Dobbs. 3Hotdogs Nov 2023 #5
He's running ads bragging about it. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #7
Not true. Trump has said multiple times he banned abortion. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #8
Trump has no particular interest in pro-life ideology or movement Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #9
Trump used to be Mz Pip Nov 2023 #10
He was a pro-choice Democrat ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #24
Most of them will flip/waffle on abortion after Ohio. Say clip of Haley in debate doing so. Silent Type Nov 2023 #11
does anyone care what Todd says? No. ZonkerHarris Nov 2023 #12
Probably more than once Captain Zero Nov 2023 #13
Trump has already said compromise creeksneakers2 Nov 2023 #14
He will try as will many moderate pukes FHRRK Nov 2023 #15
He's on tape Johnny2X2X Nov 2023 #18
Trump will flip on ANY issue if it will somehow benefit him. ificandream Nov 2023 #19
Exactly TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #20
They'll probably just say let the states decide. Yavin4 Nov 2023 #21
Trump has already done that in the past, as I recall... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #23

Maru Kitteh

(31,765 posts)
1. I agree. They've probably been focus testing this move for a bit now.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:50 AM
Nov 2023

Trump has never given a hot damn one way or the other about abortion beyond pressuring women to get them if he thought they were carrying his spawn.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
3. The defendant will find a way to do that
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:54 AM
Nov 2023

As soon as he figures out a way to cross the Grand Canyon in two jumps. The inmates are running the asylum, and the Republican zealots will not brook apostasy from the One True Faith, not even from their Tangerine Messiah. Sorry chucktodd; your Republican pals won their half century crusade to make women second class citizens, and they will pay the price for decades to come.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
6. I think Trump could get away with it.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:02 AM
Nov 2023

It wouldn't be the first time that he messed with one of their sacred cows. He banned bump stocks and they barely batted an eye. Had Obama done that, they would have stormed the gates.

Straw Man

(6,947 posts)
16. I don't.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 02:51 AM
Nov 2023
It wouldn't be the first time that he messed with one of their sacred cows. He banned bump stocks and they barely batted an eye. Had Obama done that, they would have stormed the gates.

Bump stocks are a sideshow and a red herring. Yes, the MAGATS would have howled if Obama had banned them, but they howled when he wore a tan suit. Their outrage comes cheap.

In the spectrum of gun rights advocacy, bump stocks mean very little. The number of people using them is tiny, and they provide very little practical advantage -- unless, of course, you intend to spray fire at a large crowd from the safety of a hotel window. They are finicky and difficult to control, and would be much less effective in any battle scenario than a basic semi-automatic rifle.

The anti-abortion movement, on the other hand, has a long history and deep roots in conservative politics. If he turns against that crowd, he loses a large and dedicated portion of his base.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
17. "bump stocks mean very little"
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 09:59 AM
Nov 2023

Any attempt to put a check on the 2nd Amendment, however trivial, is met with intense outrage and "slippery slope" nonsense by the gun nuts.

Except that one. Hmm, what's the difference? Oh, yeah, it was Trump.

In their eyes, he can do no wrong. He plays both sides of multiple issues and they applaud him for both.

Straw Man

(6,947 posts)
22. Correct. Bump stocks mean very little.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 02:41 PM
Nov 2023
Any attempt to put a check on the 2nd Amendment, however trivial, is met with intense outrage and "slippery slope" nonsense by the gun nuts.

How many "gun nuts" have you actually spoken to? I have spoken to a lot of them. If you asked them to list all the proposed gun control measures in order of importance, bump stocks would be dead last.

Except that one. Hmm, what's the difference? Oh, yeah, it was Trump.

I won't post a link here because the article is generally full of wingnut spew, but if you're interested, Google the article "Does Trump Truly Support the Second Amendment?" by David Codrea.

3Hotdogs

(15,370 posts)
5. His '16 campaign featured abortion as a platform. His 3 appointees voted for Dobbs.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:59 AM
Nov 2023

Yet, he doesn't brag on it at his rallies. In fact, he doesn't mention abortion at all.

Prairie Gates

(8,164 posts)
9. Trump has no particular interest in pro-life ideology or movement
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:16 AM
Nov 2023

He used it solely to forge a conservative coalition. He already sees that it is more likely to damage than help him, so he'll drop it as soon as he can. Our entire poliics is utterly cynical, and Trump is the King of the Cynics. Chuck Todd giggling about and applauding this completely substanceless politics is no small part of the shame here.

Mz Pip

(28,457 posts)
10. Trump used to be
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:19 AM
Nov 2023

a pro choice Democrat back when he was in New York.

He’ll do whatever is politically expedient. Will be interesting to see how he backs out of his plan for a national abortion ban.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
24. He was a pro-choice Democrat
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 03:51 PM
Nov 2023

For a few brief years in the early 00s.

The rest of his life he was either a traitor thug, or part of that Reform Party nonsense.

He was a Dem only because NY had gone so Dem that it was the only way to stay on the government's good side there.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
11. Most of them will flip/waffle on abortion after Ohio. Say clip of Haley in debate doing so.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:21 AM
Nov 2023

Don’t trust them, though.

creeksneakers2

(8,016 posts)
14. Trump has already said compromise
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:59 AM
Nov 2023

Trump suggested a ban after 15 weeks as a compromise. Of course, he paid no price among the GOP for this.

Doesn't say 15 weeks at this link but does say compromise.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-bring-country-together-abortion-meet-the-press-rcna105311

If abortion is murder how can they compromise?

FHRRK

(1,410 posts)
15. He will try as will many moderate pukes
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 02:09 AM
Nov 2023

Trump will have to deal with the video of him bragging about getting Roe v Wade, bigger issue, too soon, they won’t be believed

Johnny2X2X

(24,212 posts)
18. He's on tape
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 10:04 AM
Nov 2023

He's bragged endlessly about getting rid of Roe v Wade. He's also on tape saying women need to be punsihed by the criminal justice system for getting abortions.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
20. Exactly
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 11:39 AM
Nov 2023

He is a flimflam man who will say one thing to one group of people and say the exact opposite to another group. He's a liar who will say pretty much anything if he thinks it benefits him at the moment.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
21. They'll probably just say let the states decide.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 11:45 AM
Nov 2023

And leave it at that. Take credit for over turning Roe and just let each state make its own decision.

TheRealNorth

(9,647 posts)
23. Trump has already done that in the past, as I recall...
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 03:36 PM
Nov 2023

Again, it depends on the audience he thinks he is speaking to, and is not based on some sort set of beliefs. He will discard any notion of "state's rights" if it is advantageous to him at the time

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