Rep. Barbara Lee: The U.S. ''has a responsibility'' to call for a ceasefire ...

[Donkees]

Lee, Porter, Schiff face off in California Senate forum
Democrats avoid pointed jabs, but show differences on Israel and other issues


Lee has backed legislation placing restrictions on U.S. aid to Israel. In response to the current crisis, she said the U.S. “has a responsibility” to call for a ceasefire “and to call for the whole world to come together to try to stop the escalation of what is taking place in the Middle East.”

https://rollcall.com/2023/10/08/lee-porter-schiff-face-off-in-california-senate-forum/

[Jose Garcia]

1. She is proving herself unfit for office

[obamanut2012]

9. wrong

[AntivaxHunters]

36. Really? Seriously?

[Wingus Dingus]

2. Yeah, I don't think that's gonna happen.

Edit to add: what world do some of these people live in?

[redqueen]

4. The one where we used to blacklist counties that practiced apartheid? nt

[Marius25]

7. Palestinians practice apartheid, but nobody cares about that.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

20. How exactly is that the case?

I'd love to hear how the group not in power is setting this policy.

[Marius25]

22. Jews are banned from owning property in Palestinian lands.

In fact, anyone who sells it to them gets executed. And I will remind you the West Bank is Judea, and has tons of extremely important Jewish historical heritage there just like Jerusalem.

There are no Synagogues or Jewish buildings allowed anywhere in Gaza or the West Bank, whereas Israel has hundreds of Mosques and Palestinians serve in every level of government and society.

Jews are banned from praying at the holiest site in Judaism by Arabs. Jews are forced to only go through one specific gate, and are forbidden from doing any religious activity on the Temple Mount. Meanwhile, all Arabs can do anything they want there.

[EX500rider]

29. In a much more severe manner also

How many Palestinians live peacefully in Israel versus how many Jewish people live peacefully in Gaza? Lol

[LiberaBlueDem]

3. Ceasefire is the least we can call for

Anyone against that could be labeled a warmonger?

[EX500rider]

5. It's like calling for a ceasefire right after Pearl Harbour

Pretty sure the Israel's are in no mood for that right now, they want to crush Hamas

[LiberaBlueDem]

6. Crush hamas? Sure

But do it with diplomacy not bombs

[EX500rider]

12. lol, yes nothing works better on terrorists groups then diplomacy

Maybe a sternly worded letter from the UN?

[LiberaBlueDem]

14. War is a sign of failure of diplomacy

Are we not civilized and the most powerful? Are you saying we always are failures at diplomacy? I say we haven't tried that much yet with Gaza. The failure would be bombing Gaza which is what magats want.

[EX500rider]

16. Both parties have to be interested in diplomacy

I'd say neither are and I don't blame Israel, when terrorists kill hundreds of your people, eliminating the future threat is your main concern.

[LiberaBlueDem]

18. How did the terrorists slip in

I thought Israel was well prepare for terrorists

[EX500rider]

21. They distracted the IDF with a massive rocket attack then rushed the border in many places

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/08/middleeast/hamas-videos-visual-timeline/index.html

[LiberaBlueDem]

25. So they failed to stop the rush at the borders

Who could have expected that rush?

[womanofthehills]

61. Israel had virtually no troops on the Gaza border

Moved them all to the West Bank. It took 10 hrs for troops to get to Gaza.

[EX500rider]

31. Bombing Hamas is understandably what the Israelis want

I have no idea what magats want

[LiberaBlueDem]

37. You can speak for Israel?

I doubt Israel wants to level Gaza. That would be worse than what Hamas did.

[EX500rider]

40. I didn't say level Gaza I said bomb Hamas

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And I am reasonably sure that would poll very high with Israelis right now

[LiberaBlueDem]

43. How many bombs

How many innocents are killed?

I doubt Israel wants that.

[EX500rider]

50. And I think you'd be wrong

They were having trouble getting reservists to show up before this started, now they all showed up

[Mossfern]

23. Damn, I wish this forum

had some sort of "like" feature.

[Marius25]

24. How did diplomacy work out in defeating ISIS?

[LiberaBlueDem]

26. We failed

But ISIS was spread out over hundreds of miles and they had many weapons we left in Iraq. Which goes to show war and violence only begats war and violence.

[Marius25]

27. Diplomacy doesn't work on terrorists, sorry.

They are murderous, sociopathic savages. Violence is the only thing they will ever understand.

[LiberaBlueDem]

38. Most people in Gaza are innocents.

Violence is what magats used on Jan. 6

[Marius25]

46. We saw young kids spitting on the corpse of the German victim at the music festival

And considering Palestinian textbooks literally teach young kids to kill Jews and incite hate, we're going to have to unbrainwash a lot of them.

[LiberaBlueDem]

49. Not sure?

Well, when you are sure, let us know how many you want to pay the price for Hamas terrorism

[MorbidButterflyTat]

53. Wow.

Advocating the murders of Palestinian children because you deem them not innocent enough to suit you. That is truly effed up.

[Marius25]

54. I didn't advocate their murder. Good job putting words in my mouth.

But you're going to have to find a way to unbrainwash people programmed to hate and commit violence if you want to stop Hamas.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

56. Sadly, you are proof of that

You've been consistently advocating violence against Palestinians. What did you have in mind then, for the not innocent enough Palestinian children?

[maxsolomon]

8. She can take the high ground knowing the possibility is remote.

The atrocities were intended to provoke Israel into armed conflict and presumably an asymmetric response - just like 9/11 was. Look how well that worked out for the US - 20 years of war and the loss of any claim to the moral high ground in Iraq.

It's easy to call for peace from half a world away.

[LiberaBlueDem]

10. She called for a ceasefire then as well

She is on high ground as always

[maxsolomon]

11. Consistent in her opposition to violence and war,

but that's not going to win a primary.

[senseandsensibility]

30. It does show that she is putting principal above politics

as she did with Iraq. I do admire that.

[redqueen]

32. +1

[leftstreet]

41. +1

[MorbidButterflyTat]

55. +1

[Donkees]

13. May 2021 - More than 25 Democratic senators call for immediate ceasefire in Middle East

May 17, 2021

Washington CNN — More than 25 Democratic senators, led by Georgia Sen. Jon Ossoff, released a joint statement calling for an immediate ceasefire agreement in Israel and the Palestinian territories to “prevent further loss of life and further escalation of violence.”

The list of senators who joined the statement includes Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin, Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Cory Booker of New Jersey, Tom Carper of Delaware, Tammy Duckworth of Illinois, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Martin Heinrich of New Mexico, Mazie Hirono of Hawaii, Tim Kaine of Virginia, Angus King of Maine, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota, Patrick Leahy of Vermont, Ben Ray Lujan of New Mexico, Ed Markey of Massachusetts, Jeff Merkley of Oregon, Chris Murphy of Connecticut, Patty Murray of Washington, Jack Reed of Rhode Island, Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Brian Schatz of Hawaii, Tina Smith of Minnesota, Jon Tester of Montana, Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, Mark Warner of Virginia, Raphael Warnock of Georgia, Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

Murphy, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Near East, South Asia, Central Asia and Counterterrorism, and the ranking member of the committee, Republican Sen. Todd Young of Indiana, also released a joint bipartisan statement calling for a ceasefire Sunday after the bloodiest day so far in the latest conflict.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/senators-ceasefire-middle-east/index.html

[rollin74]

15. not gonna happen

Hamas needs to be destroyed. I don’t think Israel is in the mood for games and delay tactics.

[LiberaBlueDem]

19. How to crush Hamas?

Do we really have to use violence?
Violence never works but to begat more violence

[EX500rider]

34. Violence never works is certainly not true

We didn't eliminate Hitler or Tojo's regimes with diplomacy

[LiberaBlueDem]

35. They used violence and it didn't work for them, did it?

But we could have stopped them before.
Germany now bans nazis and Japan does not have an offensive military.

But the point is violence has not worked in Israel, has it?

[JoseBalow]

39. Israel has been fighting to exist since it's inception

[EX500rider]

42. And how exactly could we have stopped Japan

From being militaristic expansionist or Germany?

Diplomacy is what Chamberlain tried how well did that work?

[LiberaBlueDem]

44. If you knew the history

You wouldn't be asking

Basically the capitalists made them use violence and that violence costs Japan and Germany a great deal more than had they used diplomacy instead of viloence

[EX500rider]

48. Sounds like you don't know your history

Your saying capitalists made Hitler and Tojo attack their neighbors, lol
Yes they were just peaceful men forced to do Terrible Things by capitalist LOL

[redqueen]

51. No, you're not getting the point

If not for private benefactors, the Nazi party would have gone bankrupt.

[EX500rider]

59. Of which the vast number were Germans. nt

[redqueen]

62. Got statistics?

How much given by businesses in which countries? I know German businesses were of course the first to start buying in, not sure how much they had compared to say, Ford or GM.

[LiberaBlueDem]

52. The two country's economies were crushed by capitalists

They were left little options besides invasion and their hate. We now are using sanctions against Russia and helping the economies of Europe and Japan and India, even China to keep the peace

Now we can use such measures to save innocents of Gaza and the Middle east.

[EX500rider]

60. How was Germany's economy "crushed by capitalists"?

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Maybe you mean went thru the Great Depression like the rest of the world, but it didn't drive the rest of the world to try and take over the world.

As for Japan, the US sanctions & embargos came AFTER they were attacking China & Manchuria.

[redqueen]

45. We could have stopped Nazis by not funding them

But the trading with the enemy act was not used till the war was well underway... for some reason

[EX500rider]

47. Yeah Hitler didn't need our help to go on the attack

We certainly didn't fund the German war machine to any great degree

[MorbidButterflyTat]

57. "We" American taxpayers,

literally funded Nazi criminals after the war. Operation Paper Clip.

https://www.history.com/news/what-was-operation-paperclip

Makes one wonder what happened to their offspring here in the US. Hm.

[EX500rider]

58. "funded Nazi war criminals"

Or used German scientists to stay ahead of the Soviets?
Not all the scientists were Nazi's or war criminals.

[senseandsensibility]

17. She is a pacifist

We don't have to agree with her, but she is consistent.

[Marius25]

28. Congrats Adam Schiff on your new Senate seat?

[tritsofme]

33. Lee was never a real contender for the Senate seat.

If Butler gets in the race, Lee might not even get 3rd place.