Hillary forgot to acknowledge my demographic directly in her Advertising.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

Last edited Mon Sep 4, 2023, 06:36 PM - Edit history (1)

On this forum, I and at least one other DU member warned about this before the election.

We were saturated with Hillary Ads.
They almost all had the same message or two.
I believe they all had tinges of fairness for minorities or women.
That messages was saturated.
That message led to a better country for everyone.

But, there was never, not even once that I remember, a message that left her other message or 2 out of it.
There was no Ad that spoke to concepts that would improve the life of a middle age white man, besides the effects of the main messages already mentioned.

I think it was a big mistake.

[delisen]

1. What name did you post under in 2016? nt

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[GoodRaisin]

83. Good question.

[Tanuki]

88. Excellent question, still being evaded. I wonder why?

[getagrip_already]

2. Dear Michael moore....

You weren't paying attention.

You didn't need coddling. You didn't need reassurance. You weren't in any kind of danger; not physical, not psychological, not legal. You were financially secure. You weren't being arrested just because of who you were. You weren't paid less because of who you were.

You were the master of your destiny. Did someone forget to stroke your feefees? I'm so sorry.

I'm a 65 year old white dude. I've never had to wonder why I lost a job, or got pulled over. I've never been hit on inappropriately in the workplace. I've been laid off at least 5 times, and always was able to find another job and end up making more in the long run.

I don't need a politician to tell me it will be ok. I need them to tell me democracy will survive, and my daughter will have the same rights my wife and I do, as well as those of anyone living in this country. I want them to tell me how everyone will have all the advantages I've had, and how everyone will have affordable Healthcare and housing and be free from police brutality.

So no, I don't care I didn't get a pat on the head. I got so much more. You just weren't listening.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

5. I was listening, I was interested in winning the election.

Listen to what the OP said, "That message led to a better country for everyone."

It's not about what I or you need, it is about getting votes.

You mention,
Women's rights
Democracy survival
Police conduct
Healthcare
Housing affordability

Funny that another Clinton's campaign advisor said, "it's the economy stupid"


Telling people there will be a chicken in every pot, might help during some elections.

[karynnj]

12. Are you saying that white men did not care about those issues?

I know I should not speak for my white then middle aged husband, but here goes. I KNOW he cared about women's rights and did so before he married me and had three brilliant daughters. Democracy's survival is not just for women, minorities, but for everyone. Police conduct is important for everyone - even if you are not targeted. Not to mention, he has friends who fit in less privileged categories. As to healthcare, everyone's health is better when everyone has access to decent healthcare, not to mention as a good person, even though we had healthcare through an employer, we cared that some in one of the richest countries in the world didn't. The same for housing affordability.

ANYONE who cares for people other than themselves would have thought those issues were important. As to the economy, the Obama/Biden administration's had dealt with the financial mess that exploded in 2008. Many actions were taken to improve the economy and they did work.

It is very hard to campaign as the incumbent party on improving the economy and toting the achievements was difficult, as there were many still struggling. You say that telling people that there will be a chicken in every pot, begs the question of whether the Obama administration failed if that were not true.

By the way, did you vote or did you stay home because she did not speak to you.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

19. This is not about me, I'm too small of a sample size.

The chicken in a pot was qualified with "during some elections."
I meant it in a more general sense that promoting hope for an abundant economic future for everyone will help get votes.

Now, those that DON'T care for things you mention in your first paragraph wouldn't vote for us anyway.

But some that do, and might still be on the fence of who to vote for.
There was an extreme amount of advertising on a couple of points.
In my opinion, those advertisements had already achieved their purpose.

I felt some of my demographic would underestimate just how big those discrimination concepts are and need a little more reason to vote Blue.
So, an advertisement that highlighted direct benefit that didn't involve race, gender of poverty would go a long way toward driving a few more white people, especially white men, to the polls.

[Mossfern]

29. I agree with you completely

The most important issue is getting votes, and campaigns should be directly relevant to every voter. Caring about "A" doesn't mean you don't care about "B", but speaking to issues that directly relate to "B" just may be the tipping point to get his vote.

I think it's quite simple. I'm a woman living in a Metropolitan area, worked in distressed,urban areas and came of age before Roe v. Wade and still think that white middle class men hearing how a candidate will help them personally will help capture that vote. That is what winning elections is about!

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

42. I love how you think.

A great point in your post is when you said, "and still think".
lol, I know I'm taking it a little out of context, but this is all about "thinking".
It is not about me.

[Mossfern]

49. Exactly

[getagrip_already]

68. The election had much more to do with.....

The constant Drip Drip Drip from wikilesks, the constant schedule of overblown hyped up hearings in the house and senate, the Russian troll farms blasting out demographically targeted messages getting you to believe you were being ignored, the fbi conducting real witch hunts, and the media spinning everything into hyperbolic absurdity.

The truth is the economy wasn't ignored in the campaign. White men weren't ignored. We just weren't center stage, and we didn't need to be.

[betsuni]

72. +1

[DFW]

86. "It's the economy, stupid!" was from a time when Reagan-Bush left the economy a shambles

HRC's campaign came at a time when Obama had left us in much better shape. The media focused on Trump's BS because they needed a story to hype, and the economy was no longer it.

Trump was able to get away with his BS because the time of the country hurting from Republican economic nonsense was practically forgotten after 8 years of Obama-Biden. Trump and his clowns reminded everyone what happens to our economy under Republican rule, but only after they got into power. The 2020 election was marked by five million people saying "oops, not this time!" all on the same day.

[betsuni]

62. +1

[ecstatic]

3. What type of message would that group need to hear

that is not covered by the messages targeted to women and/or minorities?

And would the message that older white men need to hear offend or alienate the other members of the base?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

6. Good points. I'm not reliving it well enough right now to expound. nt

[ecstatic]

11. I'm not disagreeing just genuinely curious

Is it a specific topic that wasn't covered or was it more superficial, like a lack of older white men in her TV / online ads?

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

15. I understood your post exactly as you describe

Please look at post 5 for a possible beginning of an answer.

By me response there, it would seem that perhaps an economic message was being missed.
Perhaps there could have been a "get rid of nuclear weapons" message, or perhaps that is only in my dreams.

Likely, a greater emphasis on economics.
But, like I say, I'm not reliving enough to want to try to say what the messaging should have been, beyond letting you know that the messaging failed in the way my OP is titled.

Thanks for your patience with me.

[DURHAM D]

4. Why am I thinking about the game "Poor Pussy"? nt

[Elessar Zappa]

7. Oh, please.

I’m a middle aged white man and Hillary spoke to me just fine. White men shouldn’t require coddling.

[triron]

74. Me too.

[senseandsensibility]

8. I look at it this way

We may think that white males should be able to see that Dem policies are best for them. And some of them do get that message. The majority don't, for whatever reason. And they're a HUGE voting block. We don't live in an age of subtle nuance. We need to spell it out. And I don't want to offend anyone, but many white males practically need to be hit over the head with messages because the propaganda from the other side is so loud. So if we want their votes, we have to say things that seem very obvious to us. Democrats brought you the week-end, medicare, social security, etc. They honestly don't know that. It's frustrating, I agree, and they should know it. But we have to deal with reality here.

[Beastly Boy]

9. I just checked Hillary's Vision for America list of goals she set for herself

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/

Not a single of these goals excluded middle aged white men. Nor did they exclude any minority. Nor did they single out any group.

Even items like "racial justice" include white middle aged men: it speaks of equal justice for all, including white middle aged men. All of them, without exception,are the concepts that would, and did, improve the life of middle age white men.

If course, certain middle age white men who are routinely affordeded certain privileges that come with their age, race and gender, might erroneously interpret equality as discrimination.

[LeftInTX]

10. Her commercials were very female oriented

People often vote based on commercials.

It probably would have helped to have a few white middle aged men in her commercials.

[Beastly Boy]

13. Without any research, I would venture a guess that the commercials of her male challengers were

even more male oriented. Didn't stop women from voting for them.

But I would like to see an example of what you are talking about. Anything you can cite?

[Hekate]

63. Well, we are 51% of the population

[LeftInTX]

64. Well, they are 49%...She won the popular vote!

[Hekate]

67. Yep. A clear majority of everybody preferred Hillary to Mango Mussolini.

[Easterncedar]

14. Can we think about how we positively connect?

Of course folks said they felt left out. Some of these would seize any excuse not to vote for a woman/democrat, some were played by the right into manufactured outrage and alienation. And so on. But can’t we at least thoughtfully examine the campaigns to see if we might be able bring back some of the alienated?

[mercuryblues]

18. I actually heard a relative say

They could never vote for Hillary/female president. They were afraid she would nuke another country when she was on her period,

I kid you not.

[Mr.Bill]

22. And if you talk to these people,

or spend a little time on the websites they frequent, you would know that a fair percentage of them believe the Clintons have murdered hundreds of people. I mean they have lists of them. They really believe it, and no political commercial is going to change that.

And that's only one of the things that they believe, thanks to the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Fox News.

[mercuryblues]

26. IKR

In order to do all the evil they are accused of, 1,000's of people would have to be involved. Someone would have told by now. They have investigated the Clinton's to no end. Hell' the even investigated Sock's the Cat. And their Christmas card list.

Nothing, nadda to indict them on.

[treestar]

28. lol

so ignorant! She doesn't get those anymore! (Me neither, and I love it!)

[mercuryblues]

30. I didn't correct her.

There is just no fixing stoopid

[treestar]

31. to top it off, it's a "her?"

definitely can't fix that level of stupid!

[mercuryblues]

33. Yes.

Trump: I like stupid people

[Kaleva]

16. Could you provide links to your warnings?

That was awhile ago and I don't recall seeing them

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

20. It was mentioned just for context, to set the mood and understanding.

Take the boasting that I "warned" out of the equation.
That is not what is important here.

[Kaleva]

76. I think you could have left out the 1st sentence entirely

And still made your point

[GoodRaisin]

85. Huh? That doesn't make any sense.

There was plenty in Hillary’s campaign messages that would have helped white guys. I don’t understand the “context” comment though.

[mercuryblues]

17. Hillary didn't mention me by name, WAAaaaaahhhhhh!

I can't vote for her now.



JFC, Get over yourself.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

21. It seems you are trying to defame me

[Hekate]

25. That's adorable

[yardwork]

78. But consistent.

[mercuryblues]

27. LOL. Play the victim, when called out on your BS.

So predictable of a white male whining that he didn't get special treatment. A woman didn't defer to his wants. Why he is Defamed! LOL.

[dpibel]

34. Might want to check the dictionary

Not sure that word means what you think it means.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

35. 1) law : to harm the reputation of by communicating false statements about

That is exactly as I meant it.

[dpibel]

39. You best betake yourself to a lawyer

right away, then!

I'm pretty sure that you can find someone to take this case.

[Hekate]

40. Which is kind of what you did to Hillary in your OP. Also, refighting a primary, & bashing a Dem.

[W_HAMILTON]

45. And here we go...

[Srkdqltr]

23. I didn't know she was running this time.

[Hekate]

32. In some people's heads, she never goes away. Even in the grave, they will kick her.

Personally, I say: God bless Hillary Clinton. She’s fought the good fight her whole life.

[Srkdqltr]

36. Yep. I was amazed by the number and passions in the answer posts.

[Hekate]

24. Hey man, it was a total deal-breaker for me that major Dem candidates never once, not once, ...

…dropped in to a diner and shook my actual hand in my personal home town in the most populous state in the nation. I mean Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch, how hard would it be for them to find me in a state of 40 million people? The sheer arrogance of those Democrats! How can I, the personally insulted and overlooked, even be asked to care about the rest of the country?



As someone else asked upthread: Just remind us — who were you at DU during Hillary Clinton’s campaign against Trump?

[dpibel]

37. Did you know that 2016 was 7 years ago?

Is there a reason anyone should care very deeply about your vague recollections of the advertising strategies of a campaign that ended 7/10 of a decade ago?

Or is Hillary running again and I haven't heard about it?

[edisdead]

38. Is this a joke? Seriously?

[dpibel]

43. I think there's another word for it...

but I just can't quite call it to mind.

Getting a fast moving thread this big isn't a job for amateurs, you know.

[riversedge]

52. I looked for a date on it. Then gave up. Not worth it IMHO

[hlthe2b]

41. Generally relitigating the last election is frowned upon & you are going back to 2016--2 cycles ago

Why? Former SOS Clinton is running for nothing. Nor is she running/involved in Biden's reelection campaign. Nor is her strategy specifically adopted by Biden-Harris in 2024 any more than it was in 2020.

So, why the fixation on 2016 and HRC? And why do you seemingly have no concern for anyone BUT middle age white men? I care about everyone especially the working class and the poor--regardless of gender, gender identity, race, ethnicity, or any other immutable factor. Most Democrats DO likewise.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

47. At first I wanted to respond to your post, but then realized you are not focused

An article on CNN prompted me, it said, "The roster of swing states that both sides can genuinely hope to win may be as small next year as at any point in modern history"

What's past is prologue.
If you fail to learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it.

I joined this forum when Obama was running, because I thought an idea I had would help get him elected.
I figured the best way to possibly let my thoughts bubble up to those that actually process the ideas, would be to post to this forum.

There are lessons to be learned.

That is the why. It's no coincidence that I have posted this. lol

You said, "why do you seemingly have no concern for anyone BUT middle age....".
This is what let me see that you missed focus.
Reread the OP, and my others in this thread as well, and you will see that it never "seems" like I lack concern.

I want to help win the elections for us.

[hlthe2b]

48. I note you are accusing DUers of "defaming" you upstream just because they disagree.

That means it is YOU who is not serious about positive discussion of strategy for the next election. And, it has not gone unnoticed that you are focusing on HRC and not the last Presidential--2020 election. Peculiar since the candidate in 2020 and his strategy is the one you SHOULD be seeking to influence--given Joe Biden is the likely candidate for reelection in 2024.

This tells me and many others here one thing and that is that your intent is merely to complain and bemoan, deride, and diminish Hillary Clinton. My, how reminiscent this is of some other websites...

[Hekate]

66. If that was the OP responding to you...

…. it makes for his 3rd hide. Interesting.

[hlthe2b]

69. Yes. It was.

It was a generally polite response to me, however, but they may have said something about another DUer. I only glanced at it, having decided to leave the discussion.

[blogslug]

44. Hillary Clinton is not running for president in 2024

An older white man named Joe Biden is.

I hope you will vote accordingly.

[StevieM]

46. She absolutely did target all the midwestern battleground states.

She had massive advertising campaigns and GOTV operations in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. Larger than the ones Obama had in 2012.

The was one state, Wisconsin, where she did not schedule any rallies after the primaries. I doubt that even cost her Wisconsin, and it certainly did not cost her the election.

2016 was all about exactly what it appeared to be about--the fake email controversy. And James Comey dominated that race from start to finish.

[W_HAMILTON]

54. Yep.

The only people that still have Hillary fried into their brains at this point are rightwingers and Horseshoe leftwingers. Given the stale talking point about how she didn't campaign enough in Midwestern states -- I mean, the fucking convention was in one of those states, her last campaign rally before the election was in one of those states, etc. -- is often brought up by Jill Stein voters looking to blame someone else for their dumb fucking decision not to vote for the candidate running on "the most progressive platform" in Democratic history (Bernie Sanders's words), I can guess which one applies here.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

56. edited OP

I edited out any mention of Midwestern states

I only mentioned that because I felt I needed to humble my pronouncement of a "big mistake"
I was trying to minimize what I was pointing out.

BTW, someone mentions that there are talking points by some about this issue to spread a false impression, so it is no wonder that I had "heard" it. And I did say, "if so".

Where the campaign focused is not the issue I want to make anyway, so I edited that part out of the OP.

Thanks for the knowledge.

[betsuni]

60. +1

[Mossfern]

50. I'm wondering why I sense so much hostility in this thread

considering that we're all on the same "team."

I honestly thought that this forum was a civil one.

[Hekate]

55. A lot of us are wondering why the OP wrote something so hostile to Hillary Clinton, by name,...

Hillary last ran 7 years ago, and won the popular vote by 3 million votes. A majority of American voters agreed with her and what she stood for and how she said it. A majority of American voters did not want Trump to win, and said so at the ballot box.

Perhaps the question should be: how can we attract and keep the following fringe far-lefties in our camp? The ones who’ve been amazingly clever at working the margins of the Electoral College…

* Bernie “Dolores Huerta should just stfu” Bros (not the Senator, just the residual Bros)
* Jill “Putin’s dinner” Stein voters
* Susan “Trump’s election will bring on the glorious revolution” Sarandon voters
* Cornell “tear the Democratic Party down because I never got my due from the first Black president” West voters

Or maybe the question should be, how can we work around these useless fringe people and neuter their influence.

[betsuni]

61. +1

[Mossfern]

82. It was a criticism of her campaign tactics, or to be more precise; her advisors

It was not an attack on Hillary herself.
Constructive criticism is not an attack.
Heckate, your perception what needed/ still needs to be done stands absolutely true.

I do think that there's a great amount of miscommunication here and hostility will not bring us very close together - even weaken us if we don't have clear communication.

The Democratic needs to court as many people as possible - any hostility among weakens us.
Pardon me if I sound a bit incomprehensible myself - it's 2:30 in the morning and was awakened by pain.

think that Hillary herself would not have found his post offensive.

[betsuni]

84. What campaign tactics?

[Hekate]

87. We'll talk more later

There’s nothing like insomnia caused by pain. Take care of yourself & rest

[ismnotwasm]

53. So. How would you go about acknowledging middle-aged White males in a political ad?

What would have made that demographic feel valued enough?

[LeftInTX]

65. Show people working in factories.

Talk about union jobs and wages.

[ismnotwasm]

70. I recall this being done.

Being pro-union is a Democratic stronghold. It was and is definitely highlighted in the platform

[tavernier]

57. Dear Rip Van Winkle

Good morning. Hillary is not running in this election. Russia saw to her loss in her last election. We have discovered much and worked out some of those kinks, not all. But the Republican Party is in a shambles so we have hope that many are coming to their senses. Oh and by the way, there is a group out there called the Proud Boys. They are basically white males who fear that their girlfriends will prefer to date people of color, or Jews, or anyone smarter or more attractive. So they tried to bully the country to elect a president who would be simpatico to their desires. Most of them are in jail now, and the rest are on their way. So much for white males who were overlooked or misunderstood.

And now you are caught up.

[Pathwalker]

58. Wait a minute - you, a white man, are complaining that not enough

attention was personally paid to you SEVEN years ago by a woman. Do I have this right?

[Skittles]

77. I thought this had to be a joke

[Sky Jewels]

59. ...

[betsuni]

71. Old attack resurrected: Democrats Have No Economic Message, Ignore White Working/Middle Class

Because of Identity Politics.

The Dangerous Myth That Hillary Clinton Ignored the Working Class:

"Hillary Clinton talked about the working class, middle-class jobs, and the dignity of work constantly. And she still lost. She detailed plans to help coal miners and steel workers. She had decades of ideas to help parents, especially working moms, and their children. She had plans to help young men who were getting out of prison and for old men who were getting into new careers. She talked about the dignity of manufacturing jobs ... . ... She offered the most comprehensively progressive economic platform of any presidential candidate in history ... ." The word "jobs" was the most frequent word in her speeches.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/12/hillary-clinton-working-class/509477/

Hillary forgot my demographic --

[Oopsie Daisy]

73. I know. Crazy, right?

>> Hillary forgot my demographic --
I know. Crazy, right? Now, obviously I can't speak to this poster's motivation or reasons, but I can tell you that I've heard similar admonishments (attacks) against Hillary from others on the Internet, and each time it was being offered-up as someone's excuse, or justification, for being like Sarandon or Turner and voting for Stein instead of Hillary.

[betsuni]

75. Someone says, "I come from the white working class and I am deeply humiliated that the

Democratic Party cannot talk to where I come from" ... what? What fictional Democratic Party is that?

[jcgoldie]

79. 2016 called

They want their slighted white guy beef back. For fuck's sake. Find something else to blame Hillary Clinton for its motherfucking 2023!

[betsuni]

80. ...

[niyad]

81. Did I miss an announcement that Hillary is running in this cycle?

[betsuni]

89. Hillary Forgot. A poem.

I and one other person warned about this
We were saturated
In her Advertising
Hillary Ads
Tinges of fairness for minorities and women
Saturated, that messages
But there was never a message that left her other message 2 out of it
That spoke to concepts
The life of a middle aged white man
Hillary forgot my demographic
A big mistake
Saturated
Hillary forgot
The life of a middle aged white man

[lapucelle]

90. I like the way you worked in "saturated" twice.

[Recycle_Guru]

91. give it a rest dude

you should be happy with Biden's message, then