VP: There is no roundtable no lecture, no invitation we will accept to debate an undeniable fact.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

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[malaise]

1. Get thee to the greatest page

Fuck DeathSentence and his racists posse!

[ZonkerHarris]

21. yup k&r

[FSogol]

2. Counter offer: Let's enslave DeSantis and Allen for a while and see if they find any

redeeming qualities?

[ret5hd]

10. Can we get him some job training?

[FSogol]

11. Doubtful, but it is worth a try. n/t

[leftieNanner]

29. He's not exactly built to be a blacksmith

And those white boots won't help him much near a forge.

[lastlib]

31. not for the job he wants.......

for that one, he's untrainable.

[Diraven]

40. We could teach him to read and write

I hear all slaves learned that in slave school

[Hermit-The-Prog]

19. I will support that if it includes some free travel for them.

Should be some wooden sailing ships still afloat and ready to go to someplace educational for them, such as Antarctica.

[Trueblue1968]

27. Strip all the clothes from their WHIP THEM with cat o 9 tails and rape them

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whip whip and beat beat them. see if they like the physical part of what many slaves endured.

[Artcatt]

47. Let's do it!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

3. Extremists attempt to divide our nation with unnecessary debates.

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[Cha]

17. TY.. This Should Backfire on deStupid.

he's putting VP Harris in the News Condemning Slavery while he's Defending it.

[ShazzieB]

32. Yes!

This will backfire bigly!

[Cha]

38. little mussolini is Not Called deStupid

for Nothing.

[OneGrassRoot]

4. Perfect quote for VP to use:

I just learned of this quote yesterday thanks to DUer, MyOwnPeace:

"With reasonable men, I will reason; with humane men I will plead; but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where they will certainly be lost."

.......William Lloyd Garrison

[Disaffected]

5. ...

[Raven123]

7. Never heard that quote. Spot on. Thanks. One to remember

[malaise]

12. Perfect

[Cha]

18. Mahalo!

[Hekate]

6. Perfect. Perfect, perfect, perfect. Kamala is a kick-ass VP.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

8. Actually, there were 'redeeming qualities' to slavery ...

A bunch of white people got rich off of the near-free labor.

There were no redeeming qualities to slavery ... from the viewpoint of the slaves. From the viewpoint of the owners, there were some. That's why they fought for them.

I'm not defending slavery as an institution, of course, rather just making a pedantic observation that precision in language is important, so don't bite my head off please

[ShazzieB]

34. Good point!

I totally get what you're saying. There were oodles of "redeeming qualities" to slavery for tons of white folks, and not just the enslavers themselves. A whole bunch of people got very rich off the international slave trade, for example.

People like DeSadist have to make up bogus "reasons" why it was supposedly beneficial for the enslaved in order to convince themselves that the whole thing was AOK.

I feel slightly nauseous after typing all that, so I will now take a break to catch up on the indictment news.

[Wounded Bear]

48. Just like trickle down economics has been "working" just fine..

because it is a sysem designed to hoover money up the food chain to make the wealthy even wealthier while suppressing wages and denying basic benefits to the working class.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

51. Obviously the degree of harm to those at the bottom is more extreme

in a system involving literal race-based slavery, but yeah, same basic idea.

My point was that the term 'redeeming' involves a matter of perspective. The FL education guidelines are explicitly suggesting there were redeeming qualities to slavery ... for the slave. Which is bullshit of course.

Ergo, in the interest of rhetorical accuracy, I'd have preferred if the response from Harris' office addressed this detail. Slavery was a system with no redeeming qualities ... for the slave. Clearly 100% the case.

It's perhaps untoward to mention, but that system did have 'redeeming qualities' if you were NOT the slave, and not even to just the slave owner. It also had 'redeeming qualities' if you were the owner of a northern textile mill, leveraging lower prices on your raw materials to boost profits. It also had them if you were a consumer wanting to buy some cheap clothes made out of cotton.

Like I said, I was being pedantic

[Wounded Bear]

52. Oh, I understand where you were coming from...

it is important to understand why such odious systems remain in place for so long. Somebody is profiting from it, economically or socially or psychologically. Gas, grass, or ass...nobody rides for free, eh?

[Hugh_Lebowski]

53. You take me back to being a kid, seeing that bumper sticker in the 70's

I always thought it was funny ...

[Renew Deal]

9. This was perfect.

Couldn't do better. That should be printed on DeSantis obituary after the part about him justifying slavery.

[sanatanadharma]

13. The slavery story, then and now, is a moral issue

The slavery story, then and now, is a moral issue not an issue of facts or circumstances.
The fact is the sin of slavery, prima facie.
The small benefit to the few is not an ethical defense of slavery where generations of the many 'slaved' for the benefit of the few.

DeSantis and the moreRon cultists of the never-right are seeking to justify slavery and that is an ethically-empty and morally-mendacious malignancy.

[dalton99a]

14. NEXT: DeSantis challenges Democrats to refute benefits of Holocaust

[Botany]

15. And that is why "they" are so afraid of V.P. Harris because she has major game

End of story.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

57. MVP Harris is amazing

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[Cha]

16. GOOD ON VP KAMALA HARRIS!!

TY

[wnylib]

20. So proud of our VP! There is no debating BS.

Just call it what it is.

[burrowowl]

22. K&R!!!!!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

23. THOUSANDS in line to see VP Harris is Florida.

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[calimary]

28. It's always an easy go-to: accentuate the negative.

It's a real shame. She doesn't deserve it. We have a Vice President who's made history, and who historians will write about. It's the first time we've EVER had a woman who's "a heartbeat away from the Presidency." And she's doing a great job! Hasn't had a misstep yet. She's proof that the presidential ticket isn't, and shouldn't be, an all-male club. And it's about time. Considering that women now slightly outnumber men in America, it's WAAAAAAY past time.

[Evolve Dammit]

41. x1000!

[swong19104]

24. If there were any iota of a redeeming quality to slavery

White folks would be lining up to become slaves. Let's see them line up.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

25. Vice President Harris responds to Ron DeSantis invitation to discuss his new curriculum:

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[calimary]

26. In other words: not gonna glorify OR legitimize crap.

Or give it fresh air and airtime so it can grow.

[GreenWave]

30. So Mr. Malaria and Leprosy aka. the Master Debater loses again.

[StClone]

33. VP Harris doing what is needed by...

..being visible. She will be the face of the future Democratic Party and define herself before Billionaires spend a lot of money to make her into what they think.

[Marcuse]

35. "The greatest material interest in the world", bigger than the oil business today.

[halfulglas]

46. Exactly! The secessionist states did not want another compromise. They wanted to extend

Slavery to any new territories because that's what big business always does. When Britain and most other stable countries abolished slavery, there was desperate need to create new markets to sell "excess" slaves. Because enslaved people were valuable not only for their forced labor, they were a great source of wealth in the form of collateral for loans and selling "excess" slaves. The election of Lincoln meant that they would not be able to do that.

[Wounded Bear]

49. Actually it's one reason the Southern states joined the Revolution...

by the late 1700's there was a very active Abolitionist movement in the British Empire that would outlaw slavery in the Colonies by the early 19th Century. The Southern states got on the revolution band wagon to preserve their oppressive economic system for as long as possible.

[Marcuse]

54. Exactly. The South was more worried about abolition than about taxation without representation.

The year 1772 was a watershed of sorts in the history of slavery-it might be called the beginning of its end, as the legal framework upon which slavery was based began to crumble, at least in England, beginning with the landmark decision in Somerset v. Stewart. James Somerset was a slave bought in Virginia by Charles Stewart, a Scots merchant and customs official with quite close Chesapeake ties. Stewart left Virginia for England in 1768, taking Somerset with him. In 1771, Somerset took his leave of Stewart and refused to return to a state of permanent servitude. He was soon arrested and imprisoned, but his case was taken up by Granville Sharp, an inveterate opponent to the institution of slavery as antithetical to the British constitution and English common law. In a decision handed down by William Murray, Baron (later Earl) of Mansfield and Chief Justice of the Court of King's Bench, the court narrowly held that "a master could not seize a slave in England and detain him preparatory to sending him out of the realm to be sold" and that habeas corpus was a constitutional right available to slaves to forestall such seizure, deportation and sale because they were not chattel, or mere property, they were servants and thus persons invested with certain (but certainly limited) constitutional protections. Although Mansfield took great care to phrase his holding in such a way that it could not be used for a broader precedent in determining the legal status of slaves or their rights, it was widely perceived quite differently on both sides of the Atlantic: Many, including many slaves, understood Somerset to have effectively abolished slavery in England (Somerset himself believed so). Its impact was profound in the colonies as some slaves invoked it to seek their own freedom.http://www.ouramericanrevolution.org/index.cfm/page/view/m0149

[haele]

36. There was nothing new the South's "Particular Institution" could teach

their slaves - or any free person, for that matter, other than English.

The whole reason Africans were brought over as slaves was because Europeans couldn't figure out how to effectively grow cotton, indigo, and rice - all of which had been grown successfully across the African continent (especially sub-Saharan) since before the Roman Empire.
Before slavery decimated communities, Africans were perfectly great boatmakers, leather, metal and woodworkers, weavers, and dyers in their own right for centuries. Along with being engineers, scientists, mathematicians, surgeons, poets, etc...

Besides, 17th century Irish slaves just couldn't handle the Southeast climate. That is, if they couldn't escape and manage to blend in with other Europeans in the major port cities, or set up with a new name in some holler further north near a Scottish emigree settlement and claim they were always free.

Haele

[Wounded Bear]

50. Good points, but I think the label is the "Peculiar Institution"...

[Solly Mack]

37. K&R

[markodochartaigh]

39. It is interesting.

African-Americans were brought here in chains, and now their descendants are the most reliable voting block to keep the Republicans from destroying democracy in the US.

[Evolve Dammit]

42. good point. May truth and justice prevail

[Girard442]

43. Let's bury forever in a deep dark hole, the notion that anything good can come of...

...a debate with a person of bad intent.

[Blue Owl]

44. Ron DeInsanetis: Go Fuck Yourself

[ProudProgressiveNow]

45. KR NT

[byronius]

55. Boom.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

56. The establishment hath shown up to see MVP Kamala Harris in Orlando

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

58. The fact Ron DeSantis really sent this letter to Vice President Kamala Harris is crazy.

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