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Joinfortmill

(21,162 posts)
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 08:15 PM Jun 2023

Trump committed all of it: Sedition, Espionage, and (any way you look at it) Treason

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/29/trump-russia-asset-claims-former-kgb-spy-new-book


This 2021 Article in The Guardian explains the Trump/Russia connection. This is how it all began. And when Trump won the Presidency, his relationship with Putin continued and his betrayal of the United States of America began for real. And I think Jack Smith has the goods on Trump. (My words)

‘The perfect target’: Russia cultivated Trump as asset for 40 years – ex-KGB spy'


'Donald Trump was cultivated as a Russian asset over 40 years and proved so willing to parrot anti-western propaganda that there were celebrations in Moscow...Yuri Shvets, posted to Washington by the Soviet Union in the 1980s...“This is an example where people were recruited...and then they rose to important positions; something like that was happening with Trump,”...Shvets, a KGB major, had a cover job as a correspondent in Washington for the Russian news agency Tass during the 1980s....Trump first appeared on the Russians’ radar in 1977 when he married his first wife, Ivana Zelnickova, a Czech model. Trump became the target of a spying operation overseen by Czechoslovakia’s intelligence service in cooperation with the KGB.

Three years later Trump opened his first big property development, the Grand Hyatt New York hotel near Grand Central station. Trump bought 200 television sets for the hotel from Semyon Kislin, a Soviet émigré who co-owned Joy-Lud electronics on Fifth Avenue...According to Shvets, Joy-Lud was controlled by the KGB and Kislin worked as a so-called “spotter agent” who identified Trump, a young businessman on the rise, as a potential asset. Kislin denies that he had a relationship with the KGB.

Then, in 1987, Trump and Ivana visited Moscow and St Petersburg for the first time. Shvets said he was fed KGB talking points and flattered by KGB operatives who floated the idea that he should go into politics... They played the game as if they were immensely impressed by his personality and believed this is the guy who should be the president of the United States one day: it is people like him who could change the world. They fed him these so-called active measures soundbites and it happened. So it was a big achievement for the KGB active measures at the time.”

Trump’s election win in 2016 was again welcomed by Moscow... the Moscow Project, an initiative of the Center for American Progress Action Fund, found the Trump campaign and transition team had at least 272 known contacts and at least 38 known meetings with Russia-linked operatives...“Trump was the perfect target in a lot of ways: his vanity, narcissism made him a natural target to recruit. He was cultivated over a 40-year period, right up through his election.”

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Trump committed all of it: Sedition, Espionage, and (any way you look at it) Treason (Original Post) Joinfortmill Jun 2023 OP
Jack be nimble, Jack be quick GreenWave Jun 2023 #1
Nicely played malaise Jun 2023 #4
Rofl Joinfortmill Jun 2023 #6
Nice! ismnotwasm Jun 2023 #19
👇👇👇👁️👁️ Goonch Jun 2023 #2
Yep malaise Jun 2023 #3
K&R 2naSalit Jun 2023 #5
agree republianmushroom Jun 2023 #7
Yep. His insatiable narcissism makes him so easy to manipulate. tanyev Jun 2023 #8
Yep, just build up his ego, feed him a carload of over the top, smarmy praise ShazzieB Jun 2023 #12
Comer and Jordan, the intrepid conservative superheroes BOSSHOG Jun 2023 #9
None of the charges filed against Trump suggest ThoughtCriminal Jun 2023 #10
Neither do they suggest he didn't. triron Jun 2023 #13
Of course to prove he shared documents you need evidence that he actually did onenote Jun 2023 #17
Nor was I claiming that. triron Jun 2023 #18
That's correct PJMcK Jun 2023 #16
Trump was groomed MomInTheCrowd Jun 2023 #11
It's very believable. kentuck Jun 2023 #14
The old Russian honey pot mail order bride routine back in the big hair days bucolic_frolic Jun 2023 #15

tanyev

(49,288 posts)
8. Yep. His insatiable narcissism makes him so easy to manipulate.
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 09:08 PM
Jun 2023

Doubtful Putin would have ever wanted such a clownish buffoon as a spy, but he’s ideal as a malleable target.

ShazzieB

(22,582 posts)
12. Yep, just build up his ego, feed him a carload of over the top, smarmy praise
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 10:54 PM
Jun 2023

and he'll be yours for life, as long as you don't do anything to displease him. Easy for the Russians, because they don't have to put up with his crap on a day to day basis.

BOSSHOG

(44,738 posts)
9. Comer and Jordan, the intrepid conservative superheroes
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 10:33 PM
Jun 2023

Will destroy this hypothesis. As soon as they figure out what hypothesis means. A congressional super duper committee led by super duper conservatives will get to the bottom, or the top of theses shenanigans. Don’t ever fuck with the super powers of Comer And Jordan. They are the Gingrich and gowdy of future world.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,721 posts)
10. None of the charges filed against Trump suggest
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 10:35 PM
Jun 2023

that Jack Smith has evidence of Trump shared classified documents with Russia.

I'm not saying Trump did not do that - only that these cases do not seem to include that crime.

If Trump did commit treason by sharing classified information with Russia or any other countries, it most likely happened while he was still "President" and in D.C.. Espionage/Treason charges would like be filed there rather than South Florida.


 

triron

(22,240 posts)
13. Neither do they suggest he didn't.
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 10:56 PM
Jun 2023

However everything else we know about Trump says he did.

onenote

(46,140 posts)
17. Of course to prove he shared documents you need evidence that he actually did
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 09:51 AM
Jun 2023

The absence of evidence that he didn't won't cut it in a court of law.

PJMcK

(25,048 posts)
16. That's correct
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 09:19 AM
Jun 2023

Trump committed so many crimes that he’ll never be charged for all of them.

Convict him of two or three big ones and that’ll be enough to finish him off, I think.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
14. It's very believable.
Sat Jun 17, 2023, 11:00 PM
Jun 2023

Someone is pulling the strings. At first, it appeared to be Russia? Meeting in the White House, the phone calls, the Helsinki meeting, etc.

But then, the business side seemed to be with the Saudis? They assisted him in the takeover of the PGA. There was the loyalty test with the murder of the WashPost journalist, the friendship with the Prince, the money that was handed to Jared Kushner and Ivanka, etc.

So, who was/is pulling the strings on Trump?

bucolic_frolic

(55,133 posts)
15. The old Russian honey pot mail order bride routine back in the big hair days
Sun Jun 18, 2023, 08:15 AM
Jun 2023

So much of that in the 70s and 80s. They were looking for American businessmen as husbands.

We grossly failed as a society and nation State by not filtering out this putrid security risk from the pool of possible presidential candidates.

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